Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 9 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, Over-succeeding

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And I'm pretty sure Mike has this Christmas tree up already. You are 100% correct. Yeah. Yeah, when that calendar rolls over to November. Yeah. All these people are like, slow down with the Christmas. It's not even. Get out of my face is what I say to that. It's Holly. It's jolly up in here. Hold off on your fun with your family. Yeah. Keep that down to one month a year. How dare you? You haven't even eaten turkey yet.

No, the best holiday is coming up. I've extended it to two seasons. The Halloween people, look, I don't crap on the Halloween people. As soon as fall rolls around like, ooh, Halloween, fine, enjoy your Halloween. But now it is my time to shine. It is Christmas time. I'm right there with you. Usually the day after Halloween is put up Christmas stuff. Real quick, guys, what about Christmas music? What's the rule with playing? Look, Christmas music. It's already on in my house. Yeah, I was going to say Christmas music in stores.

That's too early. You can't bombard everybody. But in my home, I've already been playing it. Well, what are you going to play? I mean, they don't have Thanksgiving music. Right. Too early. It'd be delicious. Wait until after Thanksgiving. Now, Mike, Mike is traditionally known as a bit of a strange man around the holidays anyway, because you don't even do, you don't do the big, like, turkey Thanksgiving, right? You do this. It's really overrated. Thanksgiving. It's meal.

The entire holiday, very overrated. I can hear people turning off. This is where we agree to disagree. That's perfectly fine. Shame on you. I'm the food expert. Big fan of turkey over here to my right. I prefer ham to turkey, but you are still correct. Big fan of turkey and all meats. All right. Welcome to the podcast. We are here. It's Monday. A lot of, you know, this week in fantasy, I don't know if I've ever seen so many.

complete dumpster fire tweets sent my way, where teams just happen to have that combination of all the same players that pooped their pants. I mean, it seems like if you lost, you lost big this week because you were counting on a shady McCoy or somebody of that, you know, stature that let you down in a big time way. Doug Martin was on rosters. A lot of these players that maybe you thought we're going to have a big week. I've seen some pretty low scores.

from teams that had some bad luck. But we're going to get into all of the studs, all of the duds. This week we might need a section of who got in a fight. Yeah, that's what I was just going to bring up. This was a get it together, people. I mean, goodness gracious. I felt like every game there was this massive brawl. Carlos Hyde got ejected. Yep. AJ Green got ejected and Mike Evans should have been ejected. Yeah.

There were so many fights, although what dawned on me on my drive-in today was all the fights happened with, you know, pretty bad teams. Teams are frustrated and disappointing. You know, the Bengals were supposed to be good. They stink. The Buccaneers were supposed to be good. They're awful. The Cardinals, oh, this is their final year. Now, they're terrible. You know what I mean? It's like every team that's frustrated with where they're at, they were letting their emotions hang on their...

uh gloves that were punching helmets i was just leaving him i didn't know where he was going what cliche was coming it was that was quite the ride all right quick question of the day i think it's a great one i made it up myself is that accurate no this is brooks's a lie no i think it's uh kyle okay oh

The Borgogan. It's an interesting debate. Would you rather have rest of season, Alvin Camara or Kareem Hunt? Woo! Rest of season. Now, I think it's interesting because I think it is a look into early season bias, in my opinion, which we've talked about a lot, players that come out and they explode in week one and week two, and what that does to your psyche and how you view that player forever.

I wanted to do this question because of this. I think the answer is Alvin Camara. And I think when I heard this question, I naturally said, well, obviously it's cream hunt. Right. And that's why I think it's an important question. Let me lay the groundwork out for your argument here in the sense that. So from week three on, after those first two. Three, we the question.

What? Yes. Okay. Brooks. Yeah, Brooks. Mind your business, Brooks. Ejected! I will fight you. So from week, from week three on, after those two big monster games, keep in mind, Camara had a great week three. Monster games for Kareem Hunt, you're speaking up. Yes, for Kareem Hunt. From week three on, that's a large sample. Week three through week nine.

Kareem Hunt is the number five running back, while Alvin Kamara is the number four running back ahead of him since week three. And if you only look at the games since Adrian Peterson has been gone, Alvin Kamara is the number three running back, whereas Kareem Hunt over the last three weeks is the running back 14. So there is some of that first opening season bias leaking in for sure.

Yeah, and 17.2 points per game since the Peterson trade for Camara in a half-point league, 12.8 points per game for Hunt. Hunt hasn't scored a touchdown in a long time. And here is why I think Camara is the right answer. And I, they're both still, I mean, Jason just gave you the numbers. This is the number four and five since week three. I think Camar is the right answer, and I think it comes down to the head coach. Andy Reed, for all of his great offensive mind, has a tendency.

to lose sight of his running back, and we saw it with Jamal Charles at times. We saw it with Kreme Hunt yesterday. Nine carries in a game against the very beatable Dallas defensive front. Whereas Peyton's history, Sean Peyton, New Orleans Saints coach, and his history of utilizing weapons in the passing game, running backs in the passing game, is so long-term and sustained that I have more confidence in Cameras' week-to-week performances than I do.

Karim Hunt's with him not getting into the end zone. To back up that statement of the coaching, check this out. Since Adrian Peterson has been gone, I said that Alvin Camara was the number three running back in all of fantasy football over these last three weeks. The number two running back is Mark Ingram. I mean, the running backs of the tandem of Ingram and Camara are to be the number two and number three running back of all teams and you're on the same team. That's pretty impressive. Now, all that being said, all that being said.

I am still Kareem Hunt on this answer. And the reason is the touchdowns because it's not like Kareem Hunt has been bad since those opening two weeks. He's been over 100 yards in most of the vast majority of the past two weeks. The last two weeks were the first two times that he has not been over 100 combined yards between rushing and receiving. But you have Kamaura.

Over that stretch, he's got five touchdowns where Kareem Hunt's got no touchdowns. And I don't expect those trends to just stay on, you know, on that track. The volume is still siding with Kareem Hunt. But it's an interesting, fair question. Where do you stand, Mike? I think I'm with you, that I still lean Kareem Hunt. It's very close, but your argument is exactly where I would go. It's just touchdowns. If you, if Kareem Hunt...

had just gotten three touchdowns with, which based on his workload, that's kind of like that positive regression or return to the mean, whatever you want to call it. He should have had at least two touchdowns in that time period, statistically speaking. So I think that the touchdowns will return for Cream Hunt and he'll continue to be dominant. It's very interesting because we are coming off a season in which Spencer Ware had. Right.

that positive regression return to the mean argument coming into the season. So now you're going on two years where, look, this is the Andy Reid gets cute argument, where Andy Reid is lining up, what, Demerius or whom I, Demetrius Harris on the outside. And then it's Travis Kelsey on the, I mean, this happened yesterday. Alex Smith, Travis Kelsey, threw him the ball from the two-yard line.

It's just, it is. It's an interesting argument. I think you're going to be in good shape with both players. And I think the message that people want to hear right now is do you panic on Kareem Hunt? And both of you are vehemently saying no way. I would not. All right. Let's go ahead and get into the rewind. Weekly rewind. You can follow us on Twitter at the FFallers. And we also invite you to check out our fantasy football community at Jointhefoot.com. A lot of good stuff going on over there. You'll be able to peek into some premium resources that are helping towards your playoff push.

Playoffs. Playoffs. But let's look into the news. James Winston aggravated the shoulder injury in Sunday's game. Was out for the second half. I would say like nine times out of ten when that situation happens, a reaggravation of an old injury. You miss part of the game. They miss the next week. Yeah, I expect him to miss the next week. He bodyed my fantasy teams. I had him in many places.

It is on Sunday. It is incredibly ironic. Those teams did not win, by the way. Yeah. It's just incredibly ironic that the week before this, you were worried about him being able to re-injure that injury. You said, you're not willing to start him. And he did. Oh, yeah. The two weeks ago when he destroyed the bills. When he destroyed the bills and was like, oh, and now you're like, okay, you could trust him. Nope. Yeah. Well, I mean, he did, he got the bear hug sack where he got slammed right onto the shoulder.

Yeah, so, I mean, rough injury. Expects to be without him for at least a week, maybe two weeks. I want to stay there, Tampa. Their season is struggling along. And Ryan Fitzpatrick, if he starts, how does that affect the skill position players in Tampa? Because you have Evans and Deshaun Jackson. Jackson has found no rapport with Winston whatsoever this year. Jackson was the most targeted receiver this past weekend, but that was like, you know.

not a high acclaim situation. You had, I think, two catches, three catches. So Ryan Fitzpatrick, a willingness to throw the ball down field, this team struggling? Do you do anything to Evans and Jackson? No, they get to take on the Jets at home next week. Ryan Fitzpatrick, with the full week of practice, is competent. We saw him lead that, you know, kind of the almost big comeback against the Cardinals a few weeks ago. He's good enough.

to carry the skill players for a week or two. Des Bryant sprained ankle got his right ankle rolled up on attempting to make his seventh catch in the game. Went to the locker room. Terrence Williams also tweaked his knee. What's the initial word on Des? So Rappaport did tweet out that Des Bryant's injury is not considered anything to worry about. But Dr. David Chow.