Fantasy Football - Ultimate Draft Week + ADP Price Check! - Podcast for 4/21

to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Tuesday, April 21st, the fantasy footballers podcast, Jason Moore, Mike Wright. I'm Andy Holloway. Draft week. Yeah, baby, we're here. And the Giants have extra picks. Oh, ho. Do you realize that was the first time? This is like getting way ahead of the news. But Dexter Lawrence was traded straight up for the number 10 overall picking the draft. So the Bengals, I mean, we got to be honest. You look at the numbers behind what Dexter Lawrence brings to a defense. Devastating for Mike because we have a strict fantasy football policy on this show. We don't want the Bengals getting better on defense and we don't want the Cowboys getting better on defense. I mean, and they are going to be better with Dexter Lawrence. They will, but they lost Hendrickson.

They did. So, I mean, can you imagine that defense without one of those days? They didn't have Hendrickson for a lot of last year. Yeah. Yeah, it was, I mean, I saw. And it was great. I saw the numbers. New York was just atrocious without Dexter Lawrence on the field last year. But this is like the first time in 21 years or something like that, that a top 10 pick was traded for a non-quarterback. Yeah, I saw the post. I forget which one of the big insiders was saying, oh, there's. They posted it in a way where it was like, there's precedents for this. This has happened before in 1980s. It's like, wait, this has been a minute. That's not, there's not a lot of precedents here. And it was one of those deals where it's like there's not a bunch of other pieces moving around, no other picks later on. It was just pretty fantasy football. Yeah, it was. I love it because all I saw was how much each team fleeced the other and how good the trade was or bad the trade was. And honestly, when I look at it.

It seems really wise and smart for both parties. I get it from both of their situations. I don't think the Bengals were going to find at 10 in this draft a player that good at a position of need. Yeah, they have to pay him. But the contract they signed was not that bad. They added like one year of guaranteed seed money. Yeah, one year, 28 million. Somewhere around 12 million a year. It's like the number 10 pick was going to be six million a year. For a rookie. It might be great for both teams. It really might. And it, you know, now the Giants, for fantasy purposes, like they've got two top 10 picks. And one of them is going to be a impact offensive player most likely because I don't think they're going to spend both of them on the defensive side. They were already rumored around Jeremiah Love or Jordan Tyson or Carnal Tate or any of these guys. Now we get to find out what happens and it happens on Thursday. But first.

Yes, big announcement. Do you hear that there's an announcement now? I did. I'm anxiously awaiting. Oh, it's draft week. It is draft week, and we have a very special ultimate draft week giveaway. It is the ultimate draft week. We're giving away a spot in the coveted fantasy footballers listener league. That is the grand prize. We are given away a signed Jamar Chase jersey and a signed Bijon Robinson jersey. If you're watching on YouTube.com slash the fantasy footballers, you can see them on the back wall here. But all you got to do, and you do it every year anyways, is pick up the ultimate draft kit at ultimate draft kit.com. You're going to get instant access to a bunch of features. When the full UDK releases on June 1st, you'll get even more access to everything you need to win on draft day, including new features we're going to be bringing to you this year. And if you're a...

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awesome times, big giveaways, great products, and then because of the draft, our next release for the Dynasty Pass, all of our updated rookie rankings, all of our, I mean, we get so much information this week. This is like to me, the beginning of fantasy football season is right when the draft ends. Yeah, it's super exciting. I mean, we do our keeper lottery. Like our League of Record starts to take, take form. after the draft. And those of you that are newer to the show, maybe you don't have experience with the Ultimate Draft Kit. That's where all of our tier based rankings are, all of our premium stat projections where we go through and we are, you know, we just did our early rankings, but this is going to be our player by player, actual stat projections for everybody, 100 plus video player profiles, custom cheat sheets. You can track your draft live on the app. The video profiles are always a hit. We've got the Value Scout tool in there now.

All of our sleepers breakouts, busts and values, which evolved. Like, it's a living breathing tool to help you win on draft day and, you know, risk and upside meters. Just a lot of stuff you can learn about. It's what we use. Yeah. UltimateDraftKit.com for that. And it gets better every single year. Be a part of the Ultimate Draft Week giveaway. Our quick question of the day was titled, I think by Brooksie, Draft Dreams. That sounds like a movie too, like the next Costner flick for draft day. Draft dreams. Name a rookie in a landing spot that you'd love to see happen for any reason. Well, you both of you guys. Yeah, I know. We both went a little bit. Haters. You want me to go first. Negative. I love your. I wanted to do yours, but yours is impossible. It's not possible. It's yours is impossible. I mean, there's rumors right now that the Cardinals and chiefs are in discussions around the third pick in the draft. Now, yes, a reasonable person would be.

imagining the chiefs come up and take an impact defensive player like Arvel Reese or David Bailey. But no, in my draft dream scenario. This is weird. I mean, this is just a personal attack. This is a, this is a draft fever dream. It's not a personal attack. Yes, it is. It's a personal. You're like, man, things really went way too well for Kenneth Walker. So how can we? First of all, okay. If it's a personal attack, so be it because you had a year of dominance. You deserve it. You won two leagues. It's Jeremiah Love to the Chiefs, everybody. It's impossible. If Jeremiah Love goes to the Chiefs, best player available. They do not like. Ken Walker back where he belongs is kind of the two in an offense. See, there it is. So you would, so this is, this would make you happy. Look how happy. It would make me, it's just for little moments.

And it would be just the moment when the pick happens and I get to turn away from the TV and look at Mike. Yeah. Just for the moment. Because it would bring so much. It would bring the fun of watching Jeremiah Love on the Chiefs. It would bring weeks and weeks of Mike going, what are they doing? Which we got to do with Michael Pennix. That was fun. Yeah, it seems no way. No way he makes it. Some people want to watch the world burn. We were right there. All right. Mine's a hater. Mine's a hater dream. Yeah, that being a dumb decision. Yeah. And yes, I stand by it. But if Pennix had been good, it was a great decision, right? But he's not. Well, I'm just saying like, just be, just be clear. You were, we were wrong. We were right for the wrong reason. The reason we were right. I don't think so. Have you seen the, there's a clip out there. They were absolutely right to take another quarterback because cousins was not going to be it. There's a guy. There's a baking show or like a guy doing a segment and a lady says.

something and the guest is very, he's like, if my grandma had tires, she'd be a bicycle. I know the clip you're talking about. No, we, no, we won. They lost. So for whatever reason. Taking Jackson Dart, though, wasn't that the right pick at night? Well, yeah. Different. Okay. That's true. All right, Mike, you kick us off. Give us something fun to root for because I would love this. Mike was not entertained by mine. He didn't like mine at all. It was a personal attack. Yeah, it's a personal attack of an impossible. action and situation. Oh man, now I want it even bull. He will go. He's going three or four. Yes, he is. To the Cardinals? He's going to somebody that trades for it. Three, four, five, seven. You'd have to get through to get to the chiefs. The chiefs aren't coming up for love. Yeah, they're trading up. Uh, it's, mine's Adam Randall to Washington is I don't think Jeremiah Love makes it to Washington at seven. At that point with their pick situation, it's like, do you, you have players in your running back room.

So maybe we use a third, I don't know, probably a fourth. Probably a day three pick. But Adam Randall is such a interesting running back prospect, a converted wide receiver. Like the type of player that if they hit, they turn into, they jump from a third round rookie pick into a top 15 type of a fantasy running back. So it would be really exciting if he went there. Have we ever for one moment considered? Jacori Crosky Merritt would be the starting running back for this team. I have, yeah. Yeah, I mean, a little bit. I think it'll be a 50-50 time share there. Do you remember when I made one of the worst trades I've ever made last year in Dynasty? I'm in the middle of a rebuild. Yeah, the Brock Party one. Oh, yeah. I think about it all the time. Yeah. I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, I think I got Jacoby Brissette and Jacoby Crossey Merritt in that trade. And Brissette now holding out in Arizona for starter money.

talk about a good toilet bowl of a team. Good work, Arizona. But maybe talk to the guy starting. That's just funny to think about it. They could be. Yeah. They did sign Rashad White. So what I'm looking forward to in this draft and I think this is realistic. I think this could very easily have it. I just put together like my official mock draft that still have room to tweak it. And he would have been available here. I did not give him here. But it would be Kenyon Sadeek. falling to the Jets at 16. I would love that so much because Sadiq is a... Jets getting Sadiq? Yeah. The Sadiq is not my favorite prospect. He is obviously a superhuman athlete, best of the best, first percentile type of freak of nature. His production profile is not superb. And when you watch film, this was not like watching Brock Bowers. You watch Brock Bowers and it's like, this guy is the offense.

No one can ever take him down. He's on another. He's just a super elite tight end for sure. That's not how I feel about Sadiq. And I, and that. Right. It feels bad to feel that. And so if I'm not super into Sadiq and I don't want the Jets to ruin one of the wide receivers I really like, how great would it be at 16? If they're like, I've got, we've got our receiving answer. It's Sadiq. Great. Cause then I'm out. We're going to be rolling out Mason Taylor. Yes. Well, I mean, look. He wants, he already let Sadiq drop to 16 in this hypothetical because he doesn't like him. And now he's going to the Jets to just be forgotten about it. But the Jets bypassed him in my situation. Is this a mock draft or is this a draft where you pretend you're the GM of every team? The latter, where I pretend I'm the GM of every team. But Michael Meyer was a second round pick. Yeah. And that did not stop the Raiders from saying, hey.

We need a true stud and they took Brock Bowers. Is he a dog? Sadiq? Yeah. Sadiq's got a little dog in him. I mean, little. Like, yeah. Because dogs and cats, they don't, they don't get along. Oh, you're saying if they were both on the jets. I'm just asking. Yeah. That could be. They would just meet a double mesh route and they just run into each other and start fighting. Well, no, they wouldn't fight because the cat would run away. I think. What was that? Meowls. We don't need no cats. Be a dog. I forgot about that. Those two would fight like cats and dogs. All right. Let's do some news. News and notes from around the league. Adam Schefter reporting the Eagles trading AJ Brown to the Patriots is now considered likely. I mean, we've been. The fact that we all have to wait until June 1st for this bull crap to go away. I mean, we know what's happening. Just.

Just do the trade and say, hey, NFL. Do this on June 1st. Agreed in principle. Yes. It will execute on June 3rd. I mean, they do this with cuts. A post-June 1st cut. Like you can cut them beforehand and then designate them to be cut on June 1st. That's already like a thing. Just do that with trades. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For. Manipulate the salary cap. Which is why they can't trade him right now because they want the, they want the cap to get split between the two years. But he will be a patriot. Yeah, it will be sad for Romeo Dobbs. It will be great for Drake May. Yes, it will. The fact of the matter is the Eagles will be in play on Thursday. They will add a little bit of extra confirmation. They'll draft the wide receiver at some point in time, maybe early. Oh, man. I... Sorry, Philadelphia. I hope they... A.J. Brown this.

like as in the tennessee titans this is like this is the make good you realize that they're like mike rable was the coach when they traded him and there's the legendary video of when the trade going through and there's someone in that room who's not happy about trading a j brown and that was mike and that was mike vrable if he can get him back and the in philadelphia with their first round pick is like hey we're taking yeah whoever mike ily lemon or jordan tyson it doesn't work out yes and then you come the next Exactly. It's just the, this is what the world needs for balance. Look, AJ Brown's a very, very good player. And I'm going to tell you this, Jalen Hertz is not a better player without him. Right. But he is not a better quarterback. Devante Smith, uh, stockwood rise. It would definitely go up. 39% target sharing games without AJ Brown. Yeah, that won't that won't, that won't happen. No, I want to say that way. It sounds like a cartoon chat. Yeah, that did sound pretty, uh, what is that? Oh, is that fival?

Was that Dom Deloese? I don't know. I think Philadelphia is, there'll be an interesting story. Nothing we say, I mean, everything we say right now, we got little Jalen Hertz in the middle of the, in the middle of the table. You know, Philly fans, I feel like that franchise right now is hanging on. They've got a lot of money committed, right? Their defense is going to be great, but I'm curious about the offense without A.J. Brown. That'll be very, very interesting. I said it. Jacoby Brissette's not attending phase one of the offseason program wants to be paid like a starter. Great, great news. That one is so funny because if you recall, at least the way it was laid out on social media that the, you know, like everything was okay. They're going to get rid of Kyler. The Cardinals bringing Gardner Minshu. You're like, what? They're going to have Jacoby and Gardner Minchu. And then there was the tweet, the Cardinals are moving forward like Jacoby is the starter. He doesn't know about it yet. Right. Yeah.

This is why he didn't know about it because they're trying to sneak it through so they didn't have to pay. Gardner money on him being your starter. You got to pay him like a starter. Yes. Gardner Minshu was brought in not to compete, but to be the backup for Jacoby Reset. But Jacobi Reset is not necessarily aware of this and certainly not financially. But it's great because the pictures came out early. This is months ago of the Cardinals. like locker room area their new wall graphics and like the prime you walk into the players area and the biggest most primary you know the entire wall is a is a picture of jacobi brissette it's like i'm i'm not getting paid like that guy he walks in and looks at that and goes all right i'm i'll be right back i got to go talk to my agent because that guy probably makes a lot of money probably is 50 million dollars for that picture up there

Daniel Jeremiah said Ty Simpson to Arizona feels inevitable when we'll find out on maybe late first round trade up. Okay. If it's inevitable, they should wait till the last round to get them. That's what I think. Grab them in the second. They've got, no, is Jeremiah, I love Ty Simpson. Let's, let's do it, Cardinals. That's really good work. I'd rather be entertained. I would rather be a good football team in about four years. If we take that off the table as an option, Mike, where else do you want to go? Okay. If that's out? Yeah, that's obviously out. If that's out fine. If, if good is out, entertaining is next up. The 49ers signed Trent Williams to a two-year, $50 million extension. Oh, he's only made $218 million. Yes. That's a Christian McCaffrey. Oh, okay. Yes, Jason. I forgot your. And Purdy. Yeah. No, Trent Williams is. He's great. He is an all-timer. And this was, this was great. I just thought, at first, I forgot that you, I thought you were a.

Cardinals fan. Oh, no, I have left them. Yes, I remember now. We talked about the trade already. Brandon Aubrey, an agreement with the Cowboys, highest paid kicker in NFL history, four year extension. Seven million a year, 20 million a year, 20 million a year, most ever for a kicker. 20 guaranteed most ever for a kicker. Those are not big numbers. No. That's like, and it's so worth it. Brandon Aubrey changes your offense. Trent Williams, old man, Trent Williams, two year, 15 million dollar extension. 218 made and then Brandon Aubrey best kicker in football 20 million guaranteed I mean it it's tough when the positions get bracketed into this is the amount of money that this position makes even though someone like Brandon Aubrey is just so incredibly valuable when you know that your kicker is going to make a 50 plus yard kick he's just he will you're like we're in the 60s he probably is going to make this kick when Justin Tucker was right

At the peak of his career, he was so incredibly valuable for that team on a regular basis. It's a superpower. So congratulations, Aubrey. Alec Pierce was absent from OTA's underwent ankle surgery looking at a three-month recovery. This is after he signed the big deal. He was being impacted by pain in that ankle, I guess, during last season. All right. Then proved he was super tough, and everybody else would have gotten surgery but him. But now he's getting the surgery. Mac Jones would not have gotten the surgery. He couldn't afford it until he signed that contract. Now he's like, dude, you know what I get? First thing I'm getting. Surgery. All right. We'll take a break. We've got some ADP price check. Should be pretty fun. You better check yourself before you wreck yourself. All right. We are going to walk through some names. The only ADP average draft position that we have right now is.

going to be the underdog 12-team basketball drafts, but people are doing those every single day for money. And so that is the best gauge we have until people start mock drafting in redraft leagues. So it's just a bit of bring up some names, talk about where we think they might be going, and then I think we follow up and talk about where we think they might go and redraft and whether they look like values or not. So the first player to talk about. is Jaden Daniels of the Washington commanders who just got a little uniform refresh. Teams are now doing the barely changing. Seriously, what is this about? The jersey thing so that we can get you to buy slightly new jerseys. What are, but do you do people really? Yes. Yes. Like, oh man, there's a little extra yellow there. I got to have it. The jersey people do. I mean, yeah, we do. Like, I buy the, I don't buy football jersey. I buy the new sun's jersey every year. Interesting.

And if you don't, you're dumb. Yeah. I'm dumb. I mean, imagine wearing an old jersey. No, that's what a loser. That's my secret. When I go to like a son's game, I, yeah, be a loser and you don't have to worry about it. No, you get the throwback. So like from now on, Cardinals should always be Larry Fitzgerald or Kurt Warner. They can't. No, throwbacks are great. Yeah. Throwbacks are great. The slightly older version, like if anybody's wearing Atlanta Falcons jersey. this year of last year's jersey. That's not a throwback. That's lame. Yeah. We don't make the difference. I'm starting to understand. Throwback would be like one of them Dion Sanders, you know, red jerseys. It has to be. Doug Glanville. Like, it can't be sort of old. That's old. Yes. Okay. I'm taking notes. I grab my pen. Jaden Daniels. I look at last year as a deleted year for Washington in general, right? I mean, it was, yes, he played seven games, but.

Did he, you know? It just didn't feel like he ever got it going. Well, because in the seven games, you were like, Mr. Daniels, what the heck? I spent a very high pick on you. Well, I mean, and you look at these matchups, like he started the year against the Giants in Green Bay, got hurt for a couple games, came back against the Chargers on the road, had a nice game against Dallas, missed another game, came back against Seattle, missed the rest of the, I mean, almost the rest of the season. Terry were like two chips passing in the night. Yeah, weeks. It was a lost season. Weeks four through seven, uh, Terry McClory, Terry McLaren didn't play. Week nine, Tara McLaren didn't play. So this is, you really only had two games where you saw Jane Daniels and Tara McLaren on the field. It was. And Terry got, uh, training camped. Right. Yeah, it came out slow. Looked, uh, look the like a guy who's.

needed training camp. Like he should have practiced a little bit longer. So I agree with you. You throw out last year completely. Speaking of last year, Jaden Daniels was the third quarterback being drafted last year. He was the race to get Jaden Daniels was happening in all your drafts. So this year after a completely lost year where when he was playing, he wasn't putting up big fantasy numbers. However, he was rushing just the same. His scramble rate was higher. his total rushing attempts per game was higher. Yeah, and then other guys kind of, there's excitement around players like Drake May, you know, Joe Burroughs healthy. I think a year removed from the hype. I think it's going to be lower. Let's, let's guess the, what quarterback off the board he is. Okay. And then the round. Let's guess it that way. I think Jaden Daniels is probably the quarterback, I'm thinking eight or nine. Oh.

Oh. Yeah, I think it's higher than that. I was going to go eight. I'm in four or five. I'll be in the, I'll be in. Oh, six, six in. It doesn't matter. Jeremy, where's the water bottle? It's right by your left foot. When you have a chance to spray Jason with water for being stupid, you've got to do it. You should leave that on the table. I wasn't fast enough. I'm going to say quarterback eight. Mike, you're saying quarterback. I'll go. Just pick a number. That's the whole guessing part. I'll go five. And I'll go six. and five six and eight and then round wise i mean that's that probably ends up being um can't put it by you you're gonna what the maybe the fifth round for for us yeah i think you guys six round for me maybe yeah somewhere around there all right let's go do we have this on the board reveal yourself oh 602 so what quarterback is that that is the quarterback guess we're gonna have to look that up that's the quarterback three yeah in the sixth what people are

on on underdog wow yep he right now he is so it goes so this best ball yeah it's josh allen lamar and there's jaden to be fair jaden and uh joe burrow are very close to each other could you see yourself taking jaden over joe burrow yes i can see it i will let the nflbill draft go at seven i'm not a hundred percent convinced the that washington will take a wide out they really do need one But if they take someone like Tate at pick number seven, that will be very, very exciting, the fact that it's not just Terry McLaurin versus the world. So I can see it. I can see it happening. It blows my mind that he is vaulted right back up there after a year off. Because people are like you're saying, they're like, I'm deleting it.

I think it's got to be the rushing, the rushing consistency and the fact that that's a superpower and fantasy. And you just want to get the next one of those. But that's a little bit surprising to me. We were all wrong. I mean, in terms of the quarterback number off the board, round-wise, we were about right. But, yeah, they need to add a weapon that gives you confidence, not just Chigacanquo, you know, to the offense. Debo's going to be, I mean, Debo's gone, right? So. It's funny these names, like they're going to start popping up. Debo, Samuel, Keenan Allen, some of these other names that don't have teams are going to pop up on some franchise. Keenan did not mean good things for Ladd McConkey last year. No, right. So Jaden Daniels, QB3, 602 in the draft. Is there a fit wide receiver-wise? You know, the Denzel Boston, Omar Cooper's that you think works best alongside. They have to drop to the third, though. They do not have a...

second rounder right now. Yeah, basically at seven, they're either going to take one of these top three guys. And that's really the difference maker for Jayden Daniels. He needs one of that level of player. That's what the commanders need in general. You know, however, if a great defensive guy slips to them, they could very well. Like, you know, I had sunny styles dropping to them in my mock. And so they didn't take a wide receiver in the first. And if they don't, like Mike said, they don't have a lot of picks. a lot of capital to really move the needle. Personally, I'm not sure that like next year when I'm looking at quarterbacks I'm targeting, depending on where Drake May is going, depending on where Jalen Hertz is going, people aren't going to be hot and bothered with Jalen Hertz anymore, Burrow. There's a handful of names. If he's really the quarterback three off the board, I went into this episode thinking he was going to be quite a value. Seems like he is not. Yeah, I was kind of guessing the same.

Let's jump into another name. Trayvion Henderson of the New England Patriots. First eight weeks of the season, you didn't get to see much of him. Week nine through the end of the year, you saw a lot of him. He was the RB9 in that stretch, 16.7 fantasy points per game, 5.3 yards per touch. I would imagine in the majority of those games, Mike still felt like he was being underutilized in all of them. Yeah, accurately so. But. You know, there's not, Romandre's not going anywhere. No. Drake May will continue to take a step forward. You add AJ Brown to the offense. You had Romeo Dobbs to the offense. I think the passing game will get a lot of attention in the offseason. So where do you think players are going to put Trevo? I would, I'll say I think he's probably running back 19. I think that's a very good. Yeah, I was going to say he's in the 20s, which is surprising with this breakout as a rookie as not only just a rookie, but one that.