Fantasy Football - Week 12 Studs & Duds + Jason’s Trade Regrets - Podcast for 11/24

to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. How are welcome in. Monday, November 24th. I think I hear something deep within the ocean. In the waters? Uh-oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. That's coming.

uh the megalodon show is this week we uh we want to let you know we didn't really tease it last week at all no i think the bear was distracting me i'm gone for a couple seconds bear scared the shark got bears and sharks on this show um that was uh That was a little scary. Welcome into the fantasy footballers. We have a Megalodon show on Wednesday. That means we are jamming the, uh, what the Wednesday, Thursday, Friday content on to one super sized episode ahead of Thanksgiving day. Super duper sized. Mike has already made his, uh, reservations at the local jack at the box. I got guys. You got to call in, don't you? I have to get in there. No, I have for the first time in. Oh, that's I know where he's going. So many years.

Wait. My jack in the box. It's closed. My local jack the box is closed. Oh no. He has no idea what to do for Thanksgiving anymore. Somebody's buying and reheating. You think I can't find another jacks. I think you will. I'm just saying the one that I have gone to every year for the. A decade at least a decade. They are no more. My. My one. Wait. Yeah. Are they closed or are they. Oh, they're gone. Yeah. They've shut. they've shut down thanksgiving demand is diminished i know we i know we make this joke we make lots of we got we got bits yeah yeah yeah yeah we got bits on bits in the last 10 years have you genuinely gone to that dragon box every single year is that real or like a lot of times i have eaten that jack there may be a year in there where i didn't but

I mean, like, I won't rule it out. But yeah, I mean, as far as I can remember. That is something that is real. Yes. Everything. Yes. That is not a bit. That is clearly not eating there enough during the other 364 days of the year or they'd still be open. I mean, it's Jack at the Box. That's for Thanksgiving. Like the best part of Jack at the Box on Thanksgiving, they're open. Yeah. Brooks is pointing out here that for all new fans and existing fans, you get to join in the annual tradition. on the Megalodon shows, such as hashtag spatchcock, hashtag. Are you reading off your watch? Are you reading a Slack message off your watch? I got it. It's on your computer. It's in a different witness. It's right here. It's right front of it. Yeah, but Tracy. That's, that's.

That font is all tiny. Look, why was that a problem? I don't know, man. You got hashtag spatchcock, hashtag fixgiving. Oh, man. And we don't know what's going to happen this week, but something will happen. No, we'll do a special giveaway. Thanksgiving was an all-timer. Thanksgiving was special. Oh, we took over the. We were trending for all the wrong reasons. A lot of people were clicking on that hashtag hoping for something that we didn't provide. This is a stupid varsity football show. That's right. So welcome into the new week, the band back together here, Megalodon Week. You can watch the show, YouTube.com slash the fantasy footballers if you want to head over there. We have all the rankings and the StartSit tool and, you know, there's going to be Thanksgiving Day games and Black Friday games and just games on games like we have bits on bits. Yeah. And we'll cover it all this week. Starting with your Monday punday submissions from a weekend that for me personally did not go that well.

For others, it probably worked out, especially with some of these names at the top of Monday Punday. Starting with Jamirical Gives. Yeah. Emmanuel Wilson. What, Windale Robinson. Yes, he played with James Winston. Except he didn't win. That is what you got. That's just his name. In fantasy you did. You got fantasy you did. Easy pickings. Oh. Ashton Plenty. Juggernaut Smith and Jigba. There we go. J.S. Entertainment. Oh, he's so good. Camry Ward? Yes. And come back Prescott. Oh, yeah, he did. He man, Henry. Someone played Cam Ward? Well, he did all right. If you played Cam Ward, please let us know on Twitter. That's surprising. Dude, where's my Lamar? Oh, we moved to the bad. Yeah. Rome O Doomsday. Yeah, yeah. Now let's move to the worst. Oh, J.J. McFarty.

Woof! That dude! Whoa, man. Oh, uh, Seamus and Williams. Yeah. Feel great about that. Like Drake, Mech. And Emeka Egbuka. Oh, that sucks. DeAndre Swift, yawn. Uh, Kishon Duty. Mark Blandrews. Oh, Crying Williams. Uh, yeah. Cryron. Oh, Cryron. I'm sorry. CD's drops. Yeah. Dude, what? What is going on? Seven drops in the last two games. Against the Eagles. Yes, in the last two games against the Eagles. Tons of drops all year. Multiple touchdown drops. Multiple game winning, you know, opportunity drops. Seedy, what's going on? There's a new number one. I know. I mean, genuinely, it's like, I know. It's like right now, if you have the question. Let me check in on that. If you had one, if you had one roster spot left and he said, I have to start George Pickens or C.D. Land. Oh, no. Who are you going to start? What are you going to do? It's crazy.

I don't know if you saw Schadenheimer. I mean, I told you yesterday you should have traded for Pickens, so you had them both. So the stack always works. Yeah. Well, I benched Dak, which I felt great about. I mean, I'm watching that game down 21 nothing. Deck can't do anything. The Cowboys offense can't do anything other than a couple passes to Pickens. I'm like, whoo, I escaped that. do a 360 in my living room. I'm like, oh, no. I bench 30 points from deck. Is that what he ended up with? Yeah, over 30. Yeah, it was, it was good. Did you guys see the Schottenheimer comments on the drops from CD land? I did not. Okay, this is going to blow your mind because this is, I mean, you want to talk about Aaron Glenn's got to be rolling over in his grave that is a bed because he's still alive. This is a position. They're giving up.

I think it was a more eloquent way to do that. No, no, it was perfect. You want to talk about giving, giving away trade secrets. Not only is he, I mean, he's. Oh, is he giving up his competitive advantage? He's giving up his competitive advantage. He came out and said, they're going to still throw the ball to CD. And he said, when we start game planning for Kansas City next week and drawn up plays, I'm going to tell Kansas City right now, we're still going to keep throwing the ball to CD Lamb a lot. So watch out. So a competitive advantage out the window. He's telling them their game. How can they possibly win? I'm sorry, Aaron Glenn. They're still going to throw it a CD? Yeah, that's shocking. That's crazy. News and notes from around the league. Presented by progressive insurance. Okay, let's do this again. Second time in two weeks. The Raiders have fired a coordinator, this time highest paid offensive coordinators in the league. Chip Kelly. Whoops, doozles. Man. Never been a fan. Never been a fan.

Didn't think this was a good hire. I have been a fan of the fantasy stuff that he has given us in the past. It did not work. You know, Pete Carroll, I don't remember how many years, 14, 17, 112 years he coached for the Seahawks. Never once fired a coordinator in season, ever. And now he's done it twice in two weeks. Time is ticking for Pete. Yeah, Pete's like, dude, I got to win now. No, because Pete's like, I'm going to be rolling over in my bed soon. Whatever you guys do, blame that guy. It's just not me. They're going to run out. I'm not the one going to run out of coordinators. Classic. I didn't go handpicked Gino Smith and giving that extension. I hope that was Chip Kelly. I hope that they go with the language we fired Gino Smith. I hope it's not cut. I hope it's fired. The Giants also fired their defensive coordinator because when the going gets tough.

The coordinators get going. Yep. The Chiefs signs. Which is a shame because their defense played really well against a very tough offense. I know they gave up the very, and they weren't supposed to be in that game. Right. It was like he actually did a good job. You were going crazy about the field goal situation. That, I mean, that was insane. I kind of understand. It was insane to me that they didn't kick a field goal. They were fourth and five. I mean, they were up by a field goal. So if you kick a field goal. First of all, you're playing a tough defense. The fourth and five, the chance that you get that is tough. If you make that field goal, they can't go down and kick a field goal. They have to go all the way down and score a touchdown. Your odds of getting the fourth at five seem sub-50%. Your odds of getting the field goal seemed 92%, 98%. It blew my mind that they didn't kick the field goal. And had they kicked the field goal, and had they'd

So that's not the defensive coordinator. Yeah, you can't say that because obviously they wouldn't have been trying to barely get to a field goal line. I'm still, I'm fine with it. Well, because you complete the pass, you win the game. The game's over with the completed pass. Exactly. Damien Pierce signed by the Chiefs. Texans let him go last week. Okay. And Joe Mixen, unsurprisingly, not expected to play this year. Dude, what a weird. weird situation. It was weird because of the ambiguity. That's what I mean. If you just came out and said he has a season ending injury in August. Does he? That'd have been helpful. Yeah. And then once it was reported, I think it was Rappaport that reported like, okay, Joe Mixon's done for the season. Joe Mixon quote tweets that and says, you know more about me than I know about me. And the answer is yes, you do. Yes, it really was. It was like, no, no, Joe, I don't think they're talking to you. They're talking to Rappaport.

Aaron Rogers expected to start in week 13. He did not start this past week. Mason Rudolph took over. Maybe. I couldn't tell if that was Mason or not. Oh, the, because of the disguise. It could have been anybody. T. Higgins. This was the one prize picks I missed. T. Higgins, it comes down with that one play. Or if he just doesn't get concussed because they threw it a lot after that point. That probably would have. Concussion protocol for T. Higgins. He landed. all of his body weight on his face. Yeah, that's not good. That was a brutal one. Joe Burrow, they're not declaring that he will play on Thursday night. I don't think it's a given that he plays on Thursday either. They've got a window here that allows them one more week of practice reps and getting out there. I mean, do you rush him back if they, let's say they come out and they lose this week.

Do you even bring him back at all? That's why I'm saying. That's why you have to play him. Yeah, that's the weird part. Your season is super toast if he doesn't play on Thursday. I mean, if you followed the movement of the lines last week, the expectations. The books certainly thought Joe Burrow was going to play last week. This is a do or die against Baltimore, right? Wait, what is the Thursday game? This is competitive advantage. Yeah, it's Baltimore at its finest. Man, they're three and eight. They're not making the playoffs of Joe Burrow comes back this week. They're not. Like, you should not bring Joe Burrow back this year. That's the truth. Yeah, we don't know the specifics of the injury. Well, sure. If he wants to play football and I think he does. I'm sure he does. So Baker Mayfield sprained his left shoulder. We'll undergo an MRI on Monday. My initial worry was when I saw the sling and stuff, I was worried he had, you know. Collar blown. Did you say collar blown? Yes, I did. I guess that works. Also works. Yeah.

The whole deucer's alley is like, what is happening? Concern from Matthew Betts, our injury expert, is a left shoulder subluxation. Oh, good. Give that one to go, James. Subluxation. Thank you. Partial dislocation. Same injury back when he was in Cleveland. It was the left shoulder. Correct. You know, Teddy Bridgewater, the backup. Things were bad for the, you know, for a Bucca. They weren't good before he left. That Rams defense. I really do think the Rams are one of the elite, elite teams because you look at the Eagles, that defense is as good, if not better than every team out there. But they're often struggles. And when I look at the Rams, I'm like, okay, that defense is ferocious. They're defensive line. They're secondary. They don't really have a weakness. Their offense can go up and put up 30 points if they need to. Alvin Camara, MCL Sprain.

Probably be a couple of weeks. It didn't look like it was long term. It wasn't like, you know, a full tear, but he's not going to play this week. The Raiders Ashton Genti injured his left ankle late in the game did not return. Unclear if it was due to the scoreboard. It looked. Maybe he was escorting out there offensive coordinator. Yeah, I figured when he went off the field that exactly what happened would happen, which is just like... The game's out of hand. Don't put them back in, but we won't have any idea if this was truly an injury that will keep him gone for multiple weeks or not. Other three players left and came back. Matt Kaff with the ankle, Rashi Rice with the hamstring, and Jacoby were set with the shoulder, which will monitor. But they came back. So that was news and note, sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote today at Progressive.com, Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third-party insurers, not available in all states or situations, coverage subject to policy terms, limits, and conditions.

This week's fantasy stud muffins presented by Lowe's. Well, this is the win in Winston. It wasn't the team. It was the fantasy production. The number one score on the week at the quarterback position was James Winston slash wide receiver James Winston. It's also the coolest. That was the coolest play of the year. He had two of the coolest plays. But yes, you're talking about the reception where he catches the ball. And it's not like the Philly special and all the, usually when a quarterback catches the. The touchdown, they're in the end zone. Yeah. They just, they're wide open. Or they're wide open. Yeah. I mean, and the fact that was it, O'Shefsky or who was it, Olofsky? Uh, Garner. He wasn't there? Gunner O'Shefsky. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no, but yeah, but he was the one throwing the ball, but it wasn't like chill. Like he had to run through the line of scrimmage and throw on the run. Mm-hmm. And then he broke the tackle and he ends up with 31. 50 points. I mean, can that, is that DB allowed back in work?

I know, James Winston just, like James Winston put you into the ground. Are you allowed back in the building? Do you care about the fantasy production from Winston here, or do you expect Dart to be back? I mean, Winston was wild and crazy Winston as always. Dart's going to be back, so it's pretty irrelevant. I mean, if you have Dart on your roster and you want a roster James Winston just in case, great. I don't think that if you, if you don't have Dart, there's, he's probably not playing. However, James did come out after the game and say, based on that play, that he is completely open and willing to play tight in for this team to help them win. Did he really say that? Oh, of course he said that. He's like, I can go out there catch pass. I'll do anything to help this team. Do you guys remember back in the day when James was participating in the running back drills?

and he had to run through the you got to look it up again i don't remember i remember only james can look that ridiculous running through there's all the running backs running through those that little gauntlet thing where you just kind of hit the pads on both sides and then james set the back line and he goes and he runs through and that thing beats the crap out of him he's like oh oh man so funny well that's he did that and he's like man i got to get in the weight room yeah jalen hurts was number two on the week with dack at number three so that battle uh

gave you two of the best fantasy quarterbacks. And then shout out to Cam Ward, first finish inside the top 15. Yeah, man. Put together some drives. It looked good. 28 for 42, 256 and 1. You got to remember he's playing without Ridley, without Io Manor. Chimray D.K. has two touchdowns in this game. Gunner Helm had a productive fantasy day. And, you know, for Dynasty, nasty boy. you know keep your eye on gunner helm i liked him coming into the draft it wasn't just wasn't just him you want to go real nasty boy i think the reason that uh cam ward i'm watching you're watching it it's funny right james going through the gauntlet we got to tweet that out

Falcon get that out. It's twice as bad as I remember it. This guy in front of him just goes straight through like what you normally see. It's like they're made of paper. Retweet this immediately. He's been bawling back and forth almost falls over. It's so good. We love you, James. Oh, man. So far, Cam Ward is 100% good games with his college leading wide receiver Xavier Restrepo. Well, look, it's good to see. He's there. Yes, you need, you got to see. He's their future. Just please show us something. So we don't go into next year going, oh, gosh, it's just a wasted year. He also ran for 37 yards and a touchdown. He ran a lot more, especially like early on in the game. He was using his legs in a way that he hasn't really done enough of. And I was thrilled to see it. Matthew Stafford keeps it cooking. And he could have done so much more in this game if the game was competitive. It just wasn't at all.

I mean, most of his work was done in the first half. He had all three touchdowns in the first half. I think 31 points in the first half for the Rams. Quarterback five and fancy points per game on the season. 25 touchdowns zero interceptions in the last eight games. That's freaking Devante Adams, man. Pretty. Goal line wide receiver. Wild. Yeah. Caleb Williams, Jacoby Brissette also put up good weeks. Quarterbacks with six straight QB1 performances in 2025 include Jacoby Brissette. That's it. Dogg. I mean, he is. I mean, I told Jason this, we were watching the games this weekend. I might have said it that even before, I think that there's a really legitimate chance that Jacobi Bressets, the starting quarterback next year for the Cardinals. And I don't think that's the worst thing in the world because look at your option. He's turned Michael Wilson into a superstar. You want Kurt Cousins over him this offseason? No. No. You want Joe Flacco? No. If it's not, like if the team is truly done with the Kyler Murray situation, you're not going to.

Yeah, you can't just turn around and be like, oh, hey, you're up. You're now our quarterback. He's 32. So it does make sense. They can draft. They could draft sellers or they could draft somebody else in the draft and give them time behind Brissette, who people bring in Brissette to be the role model for the next man up already. That was like why he ends up on half of these teams. It's not working very much for Kyler. And the team, well, no, no, because that was limited. Jacoby's new. The ship had sailed. Okay. All right? But Jacoby has been really, really good for Arizona. He's turned Michael Wilson. He's the only receiver with 10 catches at 100 yards and back-to-back games of anybody this year other than Puka. That's what he's done. And there's no, the last two games, he doesn't even have Harrison. So look, I'm not saying he brings wins to Arizona. I'm saying he brings fantasy consistency to Trey McBride, likely Harrison. Just a watchable offense.

Ah. That's all we're asking for. Our bar is very low. Yes. Jacoby Berset is doing it. We can watch that offense. I'll watch that. That's football. That is football. Yeah. That's a good. We'll take a break. We'll talk running backs. Jimmy or Gibbs is good. 49.9 fantasy points. Emmanuel Wilson number two, Derek Henry, Ashty, James Cook. How does Emmanuel Wilson's performance make you feel, Jason? It makes me feel not good because. I had Josh Jacobs. I'm probably going to go 0-and-2 this week unless Brock Purdy goes off. And Josh Jacobs is in my little IR spot. I couldn't help but feel like when Devante Adams was scoring last night, I knew exactly the implications for you in our league because that was, you know, you're rooting for some other teams. Yep.

Yep, I'm rooting for other teams to win and lose, not just in my matchup, but this wasn't a great week for me. It's not great. I put up 135 in Dynasty against Mike, and I will probably lose with the third most points. That's fun. I mean, the worst part of the week, bar none for me, was Jameson Williams' disappearing act. That was the most depressing thing ever. He had this huge crossing route for 40-something yards, it got called back. If you want to know why he didn't catch any passes, you might want to look to the 12 targets and 11 for 45 that Gibbs added on top of his two breakaway touchdowns. If you get bonuses for big plays, he's really good at that. I mean... 219 rushing yards with two breakaway touchdowns is enough completely. And then to add 11 receptions is... That's not fair. There's only one other running back ever with a 200-yard rushing...

game and 10 catches in a game. Is that Ledainian? Miss Tomlinson. Yeah. Yeah. Man, I miss him. He was a cheat code. Yeah. So, Emmanuel Wilson was 28 for 107 and 2. Derek Henry, I got some video from boots on the ground of Vermont. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I retweeted it before the day. Yeah. And you knew what that meant. Yep. Mm-hmm. Ashton Genti ends up 17 for 50, but the big deal here, eight targets, for 58 and one. Um, Offensive coordinator change, so we'll see how that factors in. But it is nice the fact that since the buy week, five targets, five targets, eight targets, eight targets. That's what you want to see for fantasy goodness with Genti, especially if he's on a not great offense. He can't just be the ball carrier. He needs to be involved in the receiving game. I mean, that's a 93 reception pace over the last four weeks. And Judkins in the same game had two touchdowns. He went out hurt, didn't he?

Did he? Judkins. Yeah, Judkins did miss sometime. I mean, you had, you know, I was the only person on the planet that started Dylan Samson in a lineup. Oh. Congratulations. I knew that sweet screen pass touchdown was coming from Shadour. But James Cook, Travis E.T.N. Great again. And then Cream Hunt. 30 carries for 104. 30. That reminds me in old school. That's a Cedric Benson line right there. That, I. I mean, in Andy Reid, an Andy Reid team, a dude with 30 carries. And of course they won. Yeah. Of course they won. That was so. The cold. Yeah, they won. The Colts also lost. Yes, I would agree with that. We knew it was coming way too soon. Indy played the Cardinals not lose offense. Yeah. And then they lost. Yeah. Kenny Gainwell, 10 for 92, six targets. He had a.

He had basically two touchdowns called back. Yeah, he did. So impressive by Gainwell, even with Jalen Warren. He did out snap and out target Warren. Yeah, I think Warren had zero. Also going back to Judkins, I forgot. Shadour just came off the field for those plays. Yeah, it was wildcat. They just direct snap to Judkins on them. Chase Brown, 19 for 107. Most. Looks like the hater aid over there. from the deucers in their price picks lineup didn't work out. Did not work. Also, how did you get out of? We were wondering this. We were wondering this. Wait, what? You got out of building a lineup so you literally couldn't be shamed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you missed the show. I was shamed because I missed the show. You get out of the potential. Yeah, we thought that was a little. To be fair to your. Like maybe you should go down with the deucers. I gave.

months notice. No, no, no, that's fine. I'm just saying why. I'm not a 30 minutes late. Oh, I'm not going to make it. Forget my, he's punching back. How did you? He's punching back. How did you get out of even the potential? Like usually we submitted a line up. Did the deucers lose? Yeah. Yeah. We all won. What are we talking about here? Yeah. It's fair. Yeah. It's gracious for a little while. That's fine. Oh. Um, well, so Chase Brown, I believe that's the most rushing hours against the Patriots all year. Yeah, it was good. We'll see who their quarterback is next week. Chase Brown, it's weird, man. Chase Brown was just, he was toast. He was absolutely toast. And then as soon as Flacco got in there, he's been awesome. Are you scared about having Burrow? Joe Burroughs? Yep. JSN is so good. Oh my gosh. He's on pace for 2,029 yards, which no wide receivers ever hit 2,000 yards before. He was 8 for 167 and 2. He said 11 plus fantasy points in every single game.

It's wild. There's only been four to ever do that, or three other ones, Adams, Antonio Brown, Michael Thomas. This, this is just... He has not had a game outside the top 10. Not like a decent, like top 10 wide receiver on the week since week four. Yeah, it's, he's accounted for 47% of the yards for the team in the receiving game. It, I mean, it's like, it's amazing. Waldron saw this guy and was like, nah, you know what? Screen passes. Everything close the line of scrimmage. That's what we got to do with this. He doesn't got it. This guy doesn't got what we need. Freaking insane. Jason, a moment, I think, for you to focus upon this next name. Wondale? Yeah, I think you spent four weeks not saying his name. Yeah. Look, so Wondale, I was saying this while we were watching. 14 targets, 9 for 156 and 1. And used down the field. It's very similar to the JSN thing where it's like, obviously they had the change of head coach.