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Top 10 Things to Remember + Jason’s Little Black Book | Fantasy Football 2024 - Ep. 1553

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Lessons-learned episode framed by Jason's allegedly secret Little Black Book, Papa Josh championship memories, and a last-chance Listener League promotion.

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We've got our 10 Things to Remember episode today. Our lessons learned from this past year of fantasy football you do not want to miss any of them. Make sure you click subscribe and enjoy. To the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Jason Moore, Jason Moore, Jason, Jason, Joe, and Mike, and Mike, Jason Holloway.

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Jason is in writing position. What is happening over here? I'm just, you know, doing some research. Just doing some stats. Doing some stats on our quick question here coming out. All I see is the price of Bitcoin down on your, is that what that is? That is not. Oh, okay. Welcome in one and all. We've got a fun show. The 10 Things to Remember episode, fresh off of a, as far as I'm concerned, fantastic season of fantasy football. Oh, great year. Great year. Great year. Great year for the show. Great year for me personally. Yeah, I mean, just, I had a good time. So, uh, there's lots to remember. I mean, Jason, you probably remember the playoffs and I remember. I remember my championship. I think Papa Josh, 20, 2020. It was that. Papa Josh, you probably remember a lot from this past year too, right? I mean, you were, you had a good time. It was a great time, except for the ending. Yeah. So, so, so we're doing our 10 things to remember. Jason, did you, uh,

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Did all of your items this year on the show, as we count them down later, did they all come from your little black book? Yeah, basically. This year, it was one of those things where I wanted to remember them in the moment because we never, we were all goldfish other than Mike. Right. That's why I don't even remember your championship from 2022. Right. Thank you. You know, so it's like when I, when I see these lessons, in fact, one of the things that I am bringing up today. was something I told Brooks on the show, mid show. I was like, hey, Brooks, you got to remind me to bring this up on the things to remember because it was a lesson we had learned. And I'm like, this is something I can't forget. I forgot all about it. So Brooks brought it up. Brooks brought it up because that was his job. He was ordered to do it and he obeyed well. And so, yeah, thank you, Brooks. So, Jay, when you are post-mortem.

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We'll put it that way. Is your little black book going to be the thing that's auctioned off? Yeah, probably. Probably. You know, like the celebrity stuff. Is it just numbers and stats are in little notes? Little love notes. Do you have some memoirs in there? No, it's all. It's today. I got one for you. Okay. Today I traded C.D. Lamb for Jalen Wattle. Yeah. Was that in there? No. Less of a diary. Okay. It's just pictures of stick men. Yeah, there's nothing in that book, man. Oh my gosh, that's the great trick. All these years later, you've never written anything in it. Actually seen inside. So you don't know what the contents are. And someday after I die, you're going to go over there and you're going to open the book and you're going to turn page by page. You're going to say, this book is empty. These are all blank pages. There's literally nothing in this book.

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Just a few brave heart quotes in there. We're excited about today's show. Can't wait to get into it. Got a quick question that was snuck in here by Kyle that we'll get to in a moment. Quick reminder, it's the last day. Oh, the last day. The last one? Yeah, it's your last chance. Get into or head over to Ultimate Draft Kit.com. You have a chance to come play with us in the listener league. If you order by March 1st, you've got yourself a shot at playing with us. Trying to take out Mike, the fantasy hitman in the listener league. You can try and you may succeed. You might. And so we've got kind of the best price right now, chance to jump into the Dynasty Pass. You can learn more about that at Ultimate DraftKit.com. Clock's ticking. The quick question that Kyle snuck in is because we had some conversation briefly on Slack and some people are just Debbie Downers and don't want to.

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look on the bright side of anything. Some of us are Randy realists. Ooh. That was the first name that popped in my head. So the question is, is there hope for Jameson Williams in 2024? Is he worth a late round pick and redraft? And this all came out of head coach Dan Campbell at a press conference was asked about James and Williams. And like his quote is he's going to push to be a full time starter. And that's what we're looking for. Everyone grows at a different rate. Maybe it's taking him a little bit longer. He's developing. He's come on. We have high hopes for him, et cetera. Now, to the haters, this is just like a big sarcasm party because it's like, wow, the guy you drafted at 12.

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has a chance to be a starter. Trade it up for you. Yeah, the guy you drafted at 32. So I see which side you both are on. At 32, 34, and 66. Those were the picks used to convert them. Full context of how hilarious it is for a head coach to be saying about a player going into year three drafted 12th. The 12th player drafted. It's trying to be a full type. He's going to make a push. He's going to. He's going to make up for it. He's going to make a push to be a full-time starter. So I know it's like both of you are on, which is to make fun of this comment. But this is a player that didn't play until, what, 13 weeks into his rookie season. It was basically a lost season. Last year didn't play until week five. Right. So I'm not saying, and this is him acclimating to a team that had an identity without him that was a winning football team.

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that obviously he has not matured as fast as maybe some have hoped, but he also missed a significant amount of time. The whole argument of like, you can read this quote and be like, well, that's awesome because we all watched him play football. And when he had snaps and opportunities, he made big time plays at the NFL level. He just didn't get a lot of those opportunities last year. That's my view. I mean, he had significant plays in the playoffs and in the regular season. There weren't a lot of them. So when you tell me, hey, this guy who's super explosive, like, I mean, he has the physical ability of a Jalen Waddle, right? Yeah, absolutely. He can go out. Big plays doesn't need as many opportunities as other players because his plays are going to be big ones. And you tell me he might be on the field every time. I have a little bit of optimism. When he was coming out, he was my number two ranked wide receiver, the talent, the speed, you know, outrageously high ceiling.

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I totally understand, obviously, missing most of your rookie season. You knew that with his injury. And I do get the fact that when he came in, you know, he missed the first four weeks this last year. And when he got back on the- Due to suspension, just in case people were wondering what happened. Betting suspension, not performance and answers, made some dumb bets and got suspended. So week five, he comes in and he comes into a team that, like you said, Andy, was- They were established. They were winning. They were succeeding. The offense was clicking. And so you didn't necessarily have to have him come in and say, well, now that we got this guy, let's change who we are. Now they've got a whole offseason program. They can integrate him more. I think is there hope for Jameson Williams? Yes, there is hope. There is a clear path. If I have to be a betting man.

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and say, do I believe he's going to hit to the ceiling that he has? I would bet against that because he still has been on the field a lot. After the by week, when they had that chance to integrate him a little bit more, they did. He was on the field after the by week for... was at nine total games, he was on the field for over 60% of the snaps. 61% from week 10 on. Yeah. And so, and he had one game where he scored 10 fantasy points. He averaged six and a half fantasy points. He didn't do pretty much jack squat with all those reps. So, okay, you get him up to 80%. You know, maybe that's him being a full-time player. He's going to need to do more, not just snaps on the field, but more with his snaps on the field. His targets per route run.

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you know, the behind-the-scenes metrics, they're just not good. And when you've seen a player on the field as much as him, I know it feels like we haven't seen him on the field, but that's the point and that's the problem. He's been on the field and you haven't seen it. He's been on the field some. He's been on the field a lot. Some. And very few. I mean, the targets started to go up at the end of the year. So he had some games where he was getting targeted more. You're talking about a top 12 pick in the NFL draft. I'm not riding him off with.

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He has basically a season worth of games, right? I mean, he played a handful of games in his rookie year, and then he missed the beginning of this one. So he's got a year full of games. So look, hope. That's a pretty easy bar to say, okay, we think he's got some hope. What does it translate to? So here's the ironic thing. The second part of the quick question was, is he worth a late round pick in redraft? Absolutely. So we're going to talk about that on today's episode. Oh. Yeah, I'm going to answer. So my answer now is yes. Yeah. I like players like Jameson Williams next year as a flyer more than I like taking some run-of-the-mill veteran that has a baseline of catches that won't do anything to help me win my league. So my opinion for Williams. But you're saying my opinion might change based on what you say. His best ball ADP Kyle's giving it to us right now. He says wide receiver 49 in the ninth round. That's absolutely at that point.

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What are the signs of life for anybody? What are the signs of talent? So I am perfectly fine with that. Yeah. When Mike gets to his first thing to remember, this applies. Yeah. Actually, multiples for him. So his targets per route run or yards per route run through two years is at 1.42. I'm actually, we're going to highlight a couple things later on in the show, talking, elaborating more about that. And. Is that a red flag, green flag, those types of things. But the quote is just hilarious. Like, it's, that's all, that's what it is to me. This, this conversation is, it's unfortunate the way that the career has gone for Jameson Williams. But for your coach to say a guy drafted number 12 overall is pushing to be a starter. It tickles my funny bone. But in the ninth round, I'm all for that. And also, oh, the last thing I forgot to mention.

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Right now, Josh Reynolds is a free agent, which Josh Reynolds is not a superstar, but Josh Reynolds had a very distinct role for this lion's offense. And if Jameson Williams can take over that role and expound upon it by being a better talent on the field, good things could happen. Josh Reynolds will be the freest of agents after those drops. Josh Reynolds played 71% of the Lions snaps. There you go. News and notes from around the league. I forgot the playoff game. Yeah. It wasn't good. Oh, no. Johnny Smith has been released. The Falcons saving some money letting Jonu go. He made $35 million over the last three years. Good for you, Jono. And his entire job for those three years was to make Hunter Henry and Kyle Pitts managers upset. That was all he was doing. Because no one ever started. Stay away from the chiefs, Johnny. Don't you dare?

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Oh, yeah, MVS. I do think this is actually news for Kyle Pitts, though, because, you know, Kyle Pitts, it was also reported that he is healthy from his knee injury. We know they're going to have a quarterback change. It's TBD on that, but Kyle Pitts now becomes the tight end. You know, there's not a secondary tight, because Johnny Smith took a lot of work away and was kind of in the role that we wanted to see more opportunities for Pitts in, like the easy stuff. Give Pitts some of the easy stuff. Don't just fly him down the field. Obviously, a new offensive scheme coming in. But I think we'll see Kyle Pitts used better and get obviously more of the targets. I feel myself inching back in. The Chiefs release Marquez, Valdez, Scantling saves him. Two-time Super Bowl champion. $12 million. Kekog on a couple of plays. And goodbye. Sianora. They're working to get Chris Jones locked up.

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That's the big agenda. And you know that because they franchise tagged, Legerius Sneed, and they have now given him permission to seek a trade, which he will do, and I think he will find, and then he'll get paid. And so they are willing to let him go potentially. The mock drafters out there, mock is in real NFL drafts. Man, they are tantalizing us all with some wide receiver names at the end of the first that. would cause quite a stir. Oh, we've seen, we've seen 10 of them. And I, and, and that's the Clyde spot. So beware. That's where Clyde Edwards Allaire shows up. Yeah. It's not going to stop me for being excited. It's true. You take a first round wide receiver there and you put him with Mahomes in a place where he needs it out. Hold on. Troy Franklin. Ooh. Yeah. I've seen Franklin worthy. Brian Thomas. I've seen Adonai Mitchell.

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The list goes on. We've got, you know, we'll see who Patrick. If Patrick Holmes has a recommendation. Yeah. Don't stay away. Stay away. Don't go away from that one. Yeah. You make the pick. Yeah. Let the team do its thing, man. All right. The Buccaneers are moving towards resigning Mike Evans. First Bell Hall of Famer. Jason, like that you're on board with it now. It's fun. You have no choice. I mean, he's a my guy. Yeah. He says, their GM said, we're going to do whatever we can to make sure that he's the buck. Including releasing Shaq Barrett. Yeah, which they did. And then Chris Ballard said on Wednesday that Michael Pittman will be on the Colts. Yeah. And he said whether that's via franchise tag or contract extension. So Higgins, Pittman, probably not going anywhere. He's money. Yeah, he's.

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You said that he'd get paid. I wasn't positive. Oh, he's going. He will get paid. All right. Any other news, Brooks? Do you got anything for us? No, sir. Well, did you see Zach Wilson? Oh, he has granted permission to seek a trade. Which I saw that. And I thought Groundhog Day was going on because I thought that was news like a month ago. All right. So like, did it? Am I misremembering that? Or did they put it out there? I don't remember that. And there were no takers. So they're just like doing a whole new press cycle. Like it never happened. Like the guy who puts the guy in the trading block the next week after no one makes him any offers. They're like, hey, check this out. I got a player who you may be interested. You ever pulled the guy off the trading block on Sleeper?

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Because then if you put them back on the block, it sends another notification. Who hasn't done that? I hope they start reporting. For the first time ever, we are making Zach Wilson available. Are like USFL teams allowed to trade for NFL players? I don't know. Because I think that could happen. Yeah, I don't think the market's going to be teeming with interested parties. Not at that contract. Although we know that there are some. coaches that think that they can do special things. And if a player is drafted as high as Zach Wilson, they might give up a six or seventh round pick for him. Whoops. But then he might have to play for you. And that's really where the rubber meets the road. All right. Let's take a quick break. And then we'll come back and hit the 10 things to remember. This just in. Zach Wilson still hasn't found a new home. Oh, I thought you were going to. Zach Wilson allowed to.

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Seek a trade. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, that's true. I mean, he's breaking news. You know, honestly, if I was, you know, Joe Douglas, I would seek to trade myself. Yeah. I really wouldn't leave it up to Zach. I would go get it done. All right, let's get going. Can you put him on eBay? Don't forget to remember these things. All right. Well, this should be fun. I'm looking forward to hearing what you guys have in store. I have not previewed any of your different. things to remember. I hope we're not remembering the same things then. That's a fair point. Yeah, there's a possibility that we that we are. And if we are, Mike, just do the whole Jets, Zach Wilson trade thing. You got it. Just say it like it's brand new. All right. Looks like we're going to kick it off here at number number 10. Number 10. Quarterback loyalty gets you zero fantasy points. And that was really

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Really true this year. It's something to remember moving forward. Because last year we saw a resurgence in a willingness to draft some quarterbacks early, right? We had just come off the Jalen Hertz, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes year. And it kind of reminded me of like, you know, Aaron Rogers had like a ton of seasons at number one. And so he felt like a completely sure thing where you would draft him for a number of years in fantasy. So there was some willingness last year, but I'm going to tell you right here right now, if you draft a quarterback early or even in the middle of the draft, it is very natural to feel like you are committed to that player. You're drafting a onesie position, so you only start one quarterback if you're non-superflex. And a lot of the times, you know, we spend months preparing for our drafts and we think we have conviction about a certain player and we take them. And if you take them at quarterback,

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you're naturally taking a big name, right? These are the headline makers in the NFL. They're the ones that make or break games. And so, you know, even if you're taking a Justin Herbert and he's the sixth quarterback off the board, that's a big name. You feel committed to those players. This year, Patrick Mahomes was the number one quarterback off the board. He was the quarterback 19 from week eight on. Now, Josh Allen was great. Jalen hurts pretty good, although it slowed down at the end. Lamar Jackson was the quarterback 17 for a six-game stretch. Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, both got hurt, Justin Fields missed time, Trevor Lawrence was not good, Deshaun Watson missed time. And was not good. And was not good. If you show loyalty to players at the quarterback position for too long, you cost yourself. People won championships this year with Dak Prescott, who really didn't start the year well at all,

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10th quarterback off the board in the late 8th round. And there were a lot of people hesitant to move on from players that they drafted. I mean, Russell Wilson was somebody that was a relatively interesting pick for people to make, you know, last year. And if you had been loyal to Russell Wilson last year when you saw things going downhill in Denver, he was that cautionary tale then. This year you had a number of those guys. Trevor Lawrence, I think, would fit that mold a lot. He ended the year so strong. And people were probably starting Trevor Lawrence too long.

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Yeah, I think the best example from this last year of remember this for next year that things don't stay the same at the quarterback position is the DAC, Prescott, and Tua conversation. Because the first five weeks of the seat, once you're five weeks in and you're going into week six, you feel like you understand everything. You feel like, oh, I got it. I know who's what's what. And Tua was like locked in. Every week you've got to start him. He was the quarterback five. Dak worthless. He was the quarterback 21. It's like, you know, we know how this season's going to end. Tua is a superstar and Dak sucks. And then if you played that out and you just stayed put and you had the loyalty, the brand loyalty to the quarterbacks that started hot or that you drafted high, it did not work out outside of Josh Allen. Right. And even Mahomes, right? It wasn't just these like later picks like Tua and Dak. Like Mahomes was the hardest on people. Yeah. Because you felt completely stuck.

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I know that, you know, a lot of people that had Mahomes also had C.J. Stroud, right? They picked him up off of the waiver wire. And then it was like, well, I'm never going to start him over Patrick Mahomes. Like loyalty to the quarterback position year after year, unless you hit on the one or two guaranteed MVPs of that year, which do fluctuate, right? It was Lamar. But how many years have we had? undue loyalty to Lamar that actually cost you. I mean, the first two years after his MVP campaign, people started him no matter what, and they literally lost games because of it. So have a willingness, I would say. It's not a necessity that you pivot because of one bad game. I'm not saying that. I'm saying have a willingness and hold, you know, have a loose grip on the quarterback you draft, be willing to play the field. And when you see these offenses change and become better,

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believe maybe a little bit that you can play those guys. Yeah, I'm actually hit the number. Number nine. I'm going to move one of mine around because it just kind of piggybacks on what Andy was talking about. And I'm saying for this one, don't get cocky. Your team always, always has to get better. And in what I'm saying in there is sometimes there are moves that you need to make that are not your typical move where We don't, you know, resource management of fantasy football. I don't like the roster two quarterbacks. I don't like the roster too tight in. You're saying don't get cocky with the team you have. Even if you're having success. And because there could be players out there available for you that you feel like, my team is good. I don't need that player. I don't. And again, to piggyback here is I had the inverse of what the successful.

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quarterback move was. I had Tua. I traded for Tua when things were looking good. And I talked on this show about my belief that Dak Prescott was about to go on a huge run because the schedule looked so fantastic for him. Dak was sitting on my waiver wire. And I, like, I believed to my core of all my analysis that, no, Dak is going to go on a run. But I don't need him because I have Tua. I don't need to go pick up DAC, and that was idiotic. Like, I should have made, if nothing else, to block my opponents from getting a quarterback who I think is about to be fantastic. Thank you for not remembering. You're welcome. I had one of those, Mike. I had a guy that was on fire. He was catching fire four weeks in a row. Looked like the real deal. His name was Josh Downs.

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And you made me a very easy trade offer to get Michael Pittman for very cheap. For very cheap. But your team was good. You didn't need to do it. I did not need to do it. I was solid. And had I done it, I think. Your season looks a lot different. It's a lot different. Like sometimes that is, I should have just picked up the second quarterback. It's not a move I normally make, but I need to be prepared. Leaving. More and more, I'm getting comfortable with the idea of leaving my draft with two tight ends. Just for week one, have a guy where that I believe in this player and then maybe a player where... Let's see what happens. Let's see what happens. Let's talk about the beginning of the season. We did a... And this is not supposed to be a full to-to-toot thing, but we always do an undrafted gems. Like guys to look out for it. They might be on your waiver wire.

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after the draft is already over. And I'm like, dude, Jake Ferguson and Sam Laporta, both of their schedules to open are basically the number one and number two tight end schedule with the data we have. And both of those players went on to be really important and got off to pretty good starts. And it's your team is not as good as you think it is. It takes one tiny thing to go wrong. And if you're not prepared on already making moves to get things, poor, yeah, please. I was just going to give you another example, which is like a perfect example would be somebody who started the year with Kenneth Walker and Travis CTN as their two running backs. It would be easy to say, I got it figured out at the running back position and not add or not build some depth behind them and then boom. And that's my kind of final point here is talking about your fab or your waiver priority.

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You too often, you as I'm talking about myself as well, I'll look at my roster. Well, I really need, I got to figure out this wide receiver problem I have. I'm so good at running back. I'm not even worried. But the top two pickups of the week, say, are running backs. And then I don't go hard after them because I think I'm good at that position. And someone else gets Kyron Williams in week one, you know, just as the easiest example, because you think you're good. I don't need to go after Kyron. And that was an incredibly bad mistake because it just takes one injury to one of your two starting running backs. And you're not, it don't get caught up and just don't get overwhelmed and fall in love with the smell of your own farts. Looking at your roster, always be trying to improve it. Yeah, it is one of the great illusions of fantasy football that what you're staring at, that perfect, beautiful specimen of a roster in week four, that's four and no.

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