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Fantasy Football 2017 - Week 6 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, Coopin'

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And he still wants. The dolphins are, they're three and two. Am I right about that? No. I don't think you're right about that. I think they are. They are. No. I told you. That entire division is above 500 or above. The Jets who have been great are to the basement of the division now because they're three and three. Look out for the dolphins. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness.

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Okay. Well, I'm not going to look out for the dolphins. Well, he was. You can't make me. And the good news was for, he wasn't in the, like, the stud muffin list, but JJ finally had a much better game. Still looks slow. But he was getting the workload. He's getting it done. What, 26 carries? The dolphins are one and four. I refuse. I looked it up and I realized they are three and two. But I say no.

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I will not allow it. Three and two in real life, one and four in my heart. Right. If you had Jamal Charles or C.J. Anderson on Sunday night football, you were not excited about what you watched. C.J. Anderson, look, the game script, it turned upside down. Whatever happened to the Giants, suspending Dominic Rogers, Comardi, losing all your wide receivers, I don't know what catalyzed this game.

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It reminded me of a game a couple of years ago where the Browns came in against the Giants. On Monday night football, Giants were 6 and 0 and got shellacked by the Browns who were like 1 and 4, 5 at the time. It's the NFL. It just happens. Are you worried about C.J. Anderson long term because of this game? I was worried a little bit.

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early before the game script changed with how much they were using their other backs. Jamal Charles came in earlier than he had been, was very involved. And then Devante Booker got a lot of run as well. He turned into their past catching guy. Six targets. That would be the biggest concern. Yeah, CJ Anderson is a guy that needs 20 plus carries. Now, I get it. If you're.

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down in a game and you need the past catching back and maybe you feel that's not CJ Anderson. That's one thing. But early on in that game, I did have a little bit of concern with CJ's usage. Andre Ellington. Andre Ellington. The goal is gone. The goose is loose. I mean, that was Andre Ellington, which I played him and I got zero points from Andre Ellington. No carries one target. No, no carries one target.

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And Adrian Peterson's appearance into Arizona has seemingly eliminated Ellington. This is a game script thing. I am actually not that extreme. Look, you had the visceral goose on your team this week. I think Ellington is going to be involved. He was targeted. He also had a reception. He had called back on it. He had one target. No. No, he had one called back on it. But the game script was 100% run.

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I'm just saying I think next week it's not impossible for Ellen Arlington to have seven receptions. Sure, I agree. But what do you do with him? You don't start him. I think that you probably don't. I think those couple games where he was getting double-digit targets. I think those are going to be gone. Okay. We got to move on to the headline to me. I'm done with Mike Gillisley officially. Mike Gillisley played 13 snaps. He lost the fumble. Dionne Lewis was already starting ahead of Gillisley in this game. And the defense.

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What we hope to see, what the game script was and is and should be for Gillissey's success is near impossible right now with the New England defense. They're not up. They're not leading. They do not need to drive down. The clock doesn't get worn down. I mean, it's just one of those things where right now with Gilsey, what do you do? Keep trade cut, Mike Gillisie. You're not going to get value for him in a trade. He's had too many successive poor weeks. You will not start him.

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Yeah, I think you package, trade him, or you keep him. You definitely don't cut him, but I agree. You're done. You don't start him right now either. If you were to cut him, I would pick him up. Okay, but what arguments are you, just to play devil's advocate, okay? I'm not disagreeing necessarily. But you've made arguments about Isaiah Cruel, the time bomb on the waiver wire. How do you know when to start Gillisley? The same way you don't know when to start Crowell. Now, you did say, look, you wouldn't necessarily cut Crowell because if he's out on the waivers, you probably sign him. But.

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Is he a trap for people? Because this is the fear going back two months before the off season or before the season began was, look, Belichick's going to screw you over. He screwed everybody over because he gave you this beautiful gym, this diamond for these first couple weeks. And then he's been an absolute turd. Yeah, it's the touchdowns. Dionne Lewis is honestly the number one concern for me. Would you drop him? If you had to drop him for Dionne Lewis, would you do it?

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That's the question. Would you drop Gillisley for Dionne Lewis? No. I would rather have Dionne Lewis than Gillisley at this point. So if it was a world where you just had to pick one of those, I would drop one. I would rather have Lewis. Here's the thing for Gillisley. He's had double digit carries in every single game. And the touchdowns clearly have vaporized. Lewis is the number one concern. Number two was the fumble.

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Right? We've seen Bellochek. He's one of those coaches that if you fumble, he's done with you. And Gilisley was benched for the entire first half after that. He did come back in. And so, I mean, you want to make a big deal of it. Well, he played 13 snaps. He carried the ball 10 times. So that he was in, they're going to use him. But I get it. If someone wants to move on from Gillisley, I'm not going to blame you at all. P. Ryan or Gillisley, rest of the season. Gillisley. Gillisley.

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Do you rather have, let's look here. Joe Mixing or Gillisley? Mixing. All right. Frank Gore or Gillisley? That's a good one. I think I would go. I would take. I think I would go Frank Gore. Yeah, I mean, I honestly, I'm not trying to overreact on it. It's just when a player has been six, you know, how many weeks in a row now has he disappointed you where you've started him hoping for four straight weeks? That's a lot. I mean, you're talking about staying in the flames.

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Whatever these are. You get out of the ice bath. Yeah. Yeah. He is, he's ice cold for sure. Um, more stinkers. Abdullah. Very disappointing. Yeah, super disappointing. 14 for 54. There's, that was a matchup he was supposed to win. It's crazy. Zero catches. It's crazy. The amount of points. I mean, what's the, what was the total like 80 something points in that game? I think 90. 90. 90. And the amount of poopy pants in that game. Mike Thomas does not.

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Yeah, it makes Mike Thomas. It makes no sense. But here we are. That was weird. So Amir Abdullah, Duke Johnson, I think I expected a lot more from both Givori-Salem and Duke Johnson this week. Didn't really see it. Aaron Jones and Montgomery kind of, they ate each other up. I mean, they hurt each other. And then the injury didn't help because you didn't have the targets you hope for. March on Lynch, what is he at this point? Is he a running back three at this point?

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Yeah. See, that's the question you could say, would you rather Marshall Lynch or Mike Gillisle? I would take Marshall and Lynch. I would as well. Yeah. But I, with both guys, you're really hoping for touchdowns to give you an RB two week. That's the way it's right. The yards aren't there for either of them. They're almost identical. Yeah. They're almost identical statistically on the season. I'd take Lynch because you know he was signed to be their workhorse. But he's not been. And you have the variables of, I mean, Burke has not even back.

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And you still don't know what to do with the running backs inside of in New England. Even James White. I mean, James White didn't have a very good week. He's only been in double digits once or twice in PPR leagues. You can pretty much start no running backs in New England and just consider yourself sane. That's fair. Yeah. Michael Thomas. Let's bring them up. Wide receiver poopers. Michael Thomas. Chris Hogan. What? Hey. The Michael Thomas one, I don't even know what to do with.

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I mean, I know what to do with it. It's a blip on the radar. Michael Thomas is great. First week without eight targets. Yeah, with these two guys specifically, Michael Thomas, Chris Hogan, you go out and you try to trade for them, whatever you have this down of a week because I believe rest of season in both these guys as weekly starters. As do I. Amari Cooper.

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You know, pretty soon he's not going to be allowed on this list. No, pretty soon. In his big boy pants. That's where I was going. Oh, man. Like the whole segment's going to change. It hit me, Mike. It hit me right when you were, your face lit up. And I'm going, it's right there. He cooped in his big boy pan. Oh, man. Oh, I think I might take a coop today. He took a big coop. Oh, five for 28 on six targets. Amari. Come on, man.

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Come on. That's all I can say for Mark Cooper is. Come on, man. Now, in fairness, in fairness, he did have a 31-yard reception that was a really nice catch downfield, called back with an inconsequential holding that did not affect the play at all. Had you, if you add one for 31 to his line.

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And you go, okay, he was, you know, six for whatever. Then you go normally, normally with good wide receivers, you don't have to construct their stat line in theoretical. Dad, you're back. What do you do with Amari Cooper? Oh, you do, you do bench that man until he can figure it out? But you hold, you keep him? I mean, do you look to trade him? Do you look to keep him? Yeah, you look to acquire him. He's two, at least in the league's eye playing, he's too good of a name to just throw out there on the wire. I,

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You bench him the way you bench Sammy Watkins right now, where I don't think you're dropping either of them. You're waiting for some change because the talent is there for both of those guys. The talent is there hidden beneath the mind problems right now. And it's not just that. I mean, this is a team that has been, what, they're two and four? Yeah, the Raiders were supposed to compete for a Super Bowl and they look like a bad team. They just look like a car couldn't get going. Bad offense, bad defense.

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But, yeah, he cooped in a big way. Speaking of Coopin, Cooper Cup. Oh, man. Cooper Cup cooped as well. What's happening? Two for 35. Bad day for a Cooper. Terrell prior, Mike, three for 23 against San Francisco on only five targets. Yeah. You know, you had been high on him last week just with that specific game. What is he rest of season? Would you rather have, you know, prior or Sammy Watkins? I'd rather have prior.

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This, and this is the exact same thing. Jason's doing for Murray Cooper. Terrell Pryor was, was wide open in the end zone on an easy pass, but Cousins sailed the ball, which changes his day drastically. The problem that I have with, with Terrell Pryor and Sammy Watkins, I, I would rather have Amari Cooper than either of those guys. The reason why is because Amari Cooper is still involved. He is still getting the targets.

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And it's not this complete cluster where there's so many guys. Kirk Cousins was the number one quarterback this week.

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He was the number one quarterback. Daryl probably was not involved because he doesn't need to be involved. You got Vernon Davis. You got Jordan Reed. You got James Crowder. You got Josh Doxon. Chris Thompson. You got Chris Thompson. You don't need. Who's it going to be? That's kind of what I see same problem with Sammy Watkins. Sammy Watkins is like, okay, is it going to be Cooper Cup? It's going to be Tavon Austin. Is it going to be Robert Woods? You just don't know. Whereas with Amari Cooper, it's like, get your head right. Get your coop together. And.

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You know, move move on because he is still the wide receiver, too, at least on that team. All right. Let's talk tight ends real briefly. Look, look. Daddy's. I was going to say, I'm taking this show past the one hour mark. Mini Ladon. I'm getting crazy. Two Werther's originals today. He goes on vacation and just. He's wearing boxers today. That's right. With color on them.

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Oh, Kobe Fleener, Eric Ebron, Martell's Bennett, Jordan Reed, Travis Kelsey. Is there anything to talk? I mean, you're not starting Kelsey. You're not starting Reed, are you? No. Nope. There's not much to talk about there. Martellus Bennett. People stop buying into Martellus Bennett. Stop it. With the transition now to Hundley, though. No, stop. Okay.

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I'm trying to. He's not going to get better. He was genuine in that, too. He was like, yeah. I'm just, but that's what people are going to do. They're going to go, well, now, maybe this guy needs to rely on the tight end. No, stop it. All right. Who are you suiting up tonight? Real quick. Are you suiting up Richard Matthews now that Mario's back? Absolutely. Decker. Probably already made your decisions. Probably not Decker. Good game from DeMarco tonight? I believe so. What if it's not? What do you do then? You, uh, is that the official?

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