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the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from pristine auction.com studios with your host andy holloway jason more and mike right welcome in welcome into the fantasy footballers once again we got a ball game last night it was a good one definitely hit the over definitely did

I think we got to see that Green Bay Packers defense finally. Well, I guess they did two things. Yeah. They broke. They had been a bin-not-break defense. If you look at the statistics about them, they had been a defense that could stop you once you got into the red zone. That didn't really happen, but limited Carson Wentz's total yardage to, you know, under, what is it, under 200 yards. That's right. They couldn't stop the run at...

Yes, I would say it's an incomplete picture to just look at what the points they gave up because the Eagles were given short fields multiple times. You had, Miles Sanders had a massive run on a kickoff return. That turned into an easy score. Aaron Rogers had a fumble on their side of the field. I bet he grimaced afterwards. I'm sure he did. And he looked at someone and said,

Why is this your fault? If there were prop bets for like over under and they set a line, how many grimaces a game, Aaron Rogers gives. The camera zooms in to the grimace. I would 100% of the time bet the over. Regardless of the line. Doesn't matter. But if you played Aaron Rogers. Oh, yeah. You were not grimacing. Finally, we got a nice quarterback, a nice fantasy quarterback performance from Aaron Rogers, Devonte Adams with the massive.

massive bounce back week. Eight for 156 in the first half? Yes. They did not seem interested in playing defense on him. And there was creative play calling getting him into space to use his legs and run. But I hope you enjoyed those 180 yards. That's a career high for him, by the way, in total yards in a game. But then he went down and you have to wonder if the end of this game is different. Multiple.

goal line opportunities on two separate drives without Devante Adams. It might have been different, but I'm throwing the probability it would have been the same with that play calling. It was bad. With that play calling, meaning throwing for it like four times it were on the goal line, would have been very different if you had Devante Adams for four passing plays. It actually reminded me of the end of the, it was exactly the same as the end of the Cleveland Browns game.

where you had four opportunities at the goal line. They were all passing plays. Ill-advised throw by Rogers. Right. Reminded me of the Super Bowl. I'm all for trickery and trying to catch a defense off guard by throwing on the goal line sometimes. But when you have that many opportunities on the one, it's a yard. Run the ball.

Fantasy-wise, Rogers added to his stat line with 46 yards on the ground. He had 422 through the air, two touchdowns, one interception, one fumble. It was a pretty good performance from Rogers. It was, you know, two touchdowns. He still didn't see that explosion. But Devante Adams did most of the work in the passing game. Jimmy Graham was resurrected and allowed to play in this one. Yep. Six for 61 in a touchdown. Allison had a touchdown in this one.

MVS was a fantasy disappointment, three for 47. It seemed to be off the field in strange circumstances where you expected him out there. I don't know if he was dealing with something. Zach Ertz, seven catches on the Eagles side. Alshan, three for 38 and a touchdown, frequently targeted. I think that was what stood out to me. Nine targets, only caught three of them, but clearly the first, second, third read, well, him and Ertz.

Yeah, was pretty much the entire offense in terms of passing targets. The next highest targeted player was Jordan Howard. Oh, weird. You never want that as part of your in-game bullet points. You know how they do, you know how they do like trickery, right? Like, oh, we're going to line up in jumbo. But then we're throwing to a tiny, that's what you do when you run Jordan Howard out to a screen. They go, oh, they're not going to go to.

They would never throw to Jordan Howard. And then he had a receiving touchdown. So to Jordan Howard's credit, they ran that Kansas City Chief's wheel route. And Howard secured the ball and had a nice touchdown. Jordan Howard balled out. Yeah, 15 for 87, 5.8 per carry on the ground, two touchdowns. Do you, you know, I have a dynasty team with Miles Sanders and Jordan Howard. Obviously, I didn't play Jordan Howard last night. Of course.

and he had 33 fantasy points. What do you do moving forward with that backfield that seemed like, I guess the one saving grace here is we had two guys receive all the carries. You know, Sproles didn't receive any of the carries. So what do you do? Who would you start next week? Look, now that Jordan Howard is a little bit more involved in the passing game, every time they got to the red zone, it seemed like it was Jordan Howard's job.

There's more trust there. Obviously, you've got the fumbling issue of last week with Miles Sanders. And Jordan Howard's a big bruising back. I mean, you saw on his last touchdown run, it was, he took a huge hit there at the one yard line, bounced back and got in the end zone. So I don't see them going away from Jordan Howard at the goal line. And if you've got the touchdown upside with Howard, I think you've got to start leaning that direction. I think it looked like to me.

It was, they were going hot hand. Howard was the better player last night. Yes, Miles Sanders saved his day. He ripped off a big run. He also had the big special teams return, but that doesn't count for most fantasy leagues. It looked like the hot hand for Jordan Howard, so they just kept going to him. I expect it will still be even. However, Jason is correct. Red zone and goal line work. That's Jordan Howard until further notice. Nelson Aguilar cannot drop.

anything when he's not targeted. It's that meme. You can't drop it if they don't throw it to you. Yeah. So he was a complete goose last night. If you decided to roll him out there over Jeffrey or something of that nature, it didn't work out. Now, Adams, the big news circling back there as we get into our in and out segment and the rest of this show, which has, we'll have fantasy forecast, the rest of the matchups. I'm going to sneak an upset of the weekend there. We've got.

Ballers on a budget. But Devante Adams, the big news is he departed with the toe injury. He had the monstrous 10 for 15, 10 of 15 targets, 180 yards. He diagnosed himself with turf toe. Pro football doc feared turf toe. He couldn't put his shoe on after the game. What are we expecting from Devante Adams over the next few weeks? They have a long week being the Thursday night game, but I think you have to expect him to miss a couple of weeks. I don't think he's going to be back Sunday.

You can hope he's back the following Sunday, but I think it's more realistic that the Sunday after that. So if he misses the next two weeks, I think that both Geronimo and MVS become playable assets. I expect Geronimo Allison to actually have the bigger uptick in a role as kind of a more sure thing with Rogers long term. He's played with him. He knows him. MVS is really talented, but he doesn't seem to be in sync with...

Aaron Rogers. You know, if he gets 10-11 targets, I don't think it's going to be, you know, I feel like those games is where he catches four or five of those targets. He's more of a secondary option rather than the primary guy. I'm most excited in Adam's absence on actually being able to count on Jimmy Graham as a tight end option. Yeah, I think that's a great point. I mean, I think we saw.

As soon as Adams went off the field, it was, you know, 11-yard past the Jimmy Graham, 10-yard past to Jimmy Graham. That was the surprise, you know, the impressive thing to me. I think you downgrade Rogers, obviously. They have, their upcoming schedule is at Dallas next week and then a juicy matchup at home with the Detroit Lions. You had a major injury to Jamal Williams. Yeah. Taking them off the field to finish that game up with the running backs. Aaron Jones did absolutely nothing with his opportunity.

He hasn't been able to run the ball effectively. This team hasn't been able to run the ball effectively at all through the entire season. So Rogers is having to do more. He threw the ball to Jones on several occasions. Hopefully, Jamal Williams will be okay. That was a scary situation. For him and Maddox in this game, two players stretched it off. That was not fun. So right now it looks like Aaron Jones is going to be the guy moving forward, but efficiency has been a huge problem. Yeah, huge. I mean, you're talking.

under two a carry, and it wasn't just a goal. Is this a Malaflur problem in terms of they could, you know, Jones could run the ball? I choose to believe that. It just doesn't seem like he's ever in a position. Like a lot of these runs were not his fault. A lot of these runs were two or three guys in the backfield, good defensive front for the Eagles. I think that, you know, didn't help anything, but you would have expected more than 21 yards rushing in a game where Jamal Williams left and Aaron Jones is the only player in town. Yes. All right. It's Friday. Put Clan Friday.

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McCall Hardman John Ross bet from week two. Both players balled out. You beat me. You're going to water me today. We had a 77-yard Juju Smith-Schuster bet in week three. He had 81 yards and you beat me again. These are narrow wins. They hurt more that way. I'd rather be blown out like Jason. Not only were they narrow. They were by the skin of my team with a John Ross Garbage TD and then that.

76-yard ju-joo team. Now, when you say blown out like Jason, you mean blown out like Jason did to you with the dolphins doubling up that over under. Yeah, I volunteered to take two waters for the Patriots Miami game where I said that Miami would. I hope you brought a wetsuit. I took the really outlandish approach that they might not lose by 20. Yeah. And they lost by 40. I like you use the mocking voice. They lost by 40.

40. So it was not a smart move to say they would lose by fewer than 20. Correct. It's just a little unnatural to be like, yeah, I think they might be able to stay within 20 and then feel like the idiot. But they're the dolphins, so I should have known better. And then Mike, I beat you with the, I'm going to water you for the Eric Eberon top 12 tight in week two bet. So we'll have a number of those. We'll film them today. It'll be fun. It'll be on YouTube.com slash fantasy footballers tomorrow.