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Main show · October 24, 2018

Let’s Talk Trades, Pump the Brakes, Doctor Smocktor

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Yeah. And it's trade time. I mean, we've got, we've got trades coming through. They're hot. Siller 4 on Instagram, Jordan Howard for Stefan Diggs in a PPR league? Oh, yes. Yes, give me Diggs. People, I think that there is a little bit of panic right now in redraft leagues for Stefan Diggs. We've seen back-to-back duds from him.

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But the targets are there. The talent is there as well. So it's especially in a PPR. If this is a standard league, it's closer to me where I go, well, maybe. But in a PPR, it can be digs. Yeah, Diggs is one of the best trade targets imaginable because you're talking about two bad weeks in a row. And what you said, we all know he's talented. Yep. And he's getting the opportunity. But I mean, look.

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Sometimes you just don't break the big run. Sometimes it doesn't work in your favor. 14 targets last week. I want you guys to guess the 16 game pace. What is his target count right now? Because we're through seven games. I'm going to guess 140 targets. That's a ton. I was going to go in the 130s. 167. Yeah. Well, he, look, right now he ranks, he ranks fourth in the NFL and touches per game at the wider receiver position. One, his teammate.

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Adam Thielen. Two is Michael Thomas. Number three is Odell Beckham. Number four, Stefan Deigs. The difference between Adam Thielen and Stefan Diggs is just where they play on the field of position. Adam Thielan in the slot is always open getting the volume. Stefan Diggs will give you crap games every once in a while. Yeah, it's true. All right. Eddie in Philadelphia has a trade question for us. He says, I wanted to know if Mixing.

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and Jarvis Landry is enough or not enough to acquire Alvin Camara. Ooh, Mixing, say that again? Mixing and Landry. Is that enough or not enough to acquire Camara? I think it is enough. It's up to the Camara owner, but if I could make that trade personally, I would, I would go get Alvin Camara, yeah. Yeah, I would. I hesitate. I think it's a fair, I think this is fair value. Mixon has been a great back, and then you've got the scared.

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Camara owners since Ingram is in the mix now. But yeah, I would rather have the Camara side. And I think it's a fair offer. Obviously, whenever people ask questions like, is it enough? You brought it up. This is always a matter of who you're dealing with. I wouldn't touch that trait in a standard league. You'd rather have Mixen Jarvis? I'd much rather have Mixen Jarvis because Mixen is basically...

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like third in the league in terms of rushing yards per game. And so I think you're sacrificing a lot of that and throwing Jarvis away. If you're in a full PPR league, I think it might change the equation a little bit, but I just want us to be smart about that. I mean, he's averaging the same yards per game right now that Kareem Hunt and Melvin Gordon are. Joe Mixon is. Yeah, the touchdown upside is just higher for Camarrow. It is, it is. It's funny. I find myself on...

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The opposite side of Camara trades right now. That is weird because I'm like such a big Camara fan, but... You wrote the case for Camara. I did. It was bestseller. Get back on, man. Bestseller. Star Power. Milwaukee Tribune bestseller, number one. What does that even mean? I don't know. I don't know what it means. Apparently Milwaukee is the inverse of New York City.

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The New York Times. Oh, okay. I'm sorry, Milwaukee. Johnny Flores, what about Kevin Coleman for juju? Give me juju. Yeah. Unless you need a running back. I was going to say any time that there's a running back for wide receiver trade, let's say these are both the same tier, which I don't think they are the same tier personally, and we'll talk about that. But it's always team dependent. And I'm always going to tie break for the running back. If, if.

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I would rather have depth at running back than at wide receiver. So usually you've got to be a tier above. Here, I think Juju is a tier above Tevin Coleman. Devin Coleman's been extremely disappointing in the absence of Devonta Freeman. I know he's been okay, but he's really, like this last week, he was bailed out by that one play. If Edo Smith could do anything, this team is dying to use Edo Smith. They are. That's the truth. They want to give him more reps.

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So if he has a breakout game, things could turn sour for Tevin Coleman, which right now, his volume is his only saving grace. Also, Tevin Coleman's on buy, and Juju Smith is not on buy, so you've just bought an extra game, which is, it's nice. All right. What about this offer for Mitchapalooza on Instagram? Mitchapaloo. He proposed trading Jordan Howard and Marlon Matt to acquire David Johnson. Ooh. I would much.

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prefer David Johnson. I agree. I mean, this is a perfect, you know, I've been Mr. Shop David Johnson around so you can upgrade him because I worry, you know, as David Johnson owner, I can tell you, it's not been, that's not been a fun ride. It's been terrible. It's like the Gravitron. It's not like it's been a fun ride. It's terrible. You think it's going to be fun. Yeah. Until you throw up and it all comes back in your face. I'm going to spin around a bazillion times and I'm a grown man.

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But Marlon Mack has the hype right now, and Jordan Howard is still a name that I think people want to believe in. Yeah, I would rather have the David Johnson side because while he's been unbelievably disappointing, I mean, he's just been the worst. He's still, I mean, right now he's like a, he's an RB1. Yeah. I mean, he's always the worst. Touchstones.

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Well, exactly. Yeah, the touchdown regression is, it's happening for David Johnson. Quick follow-up question. Would you rather have Jordan Howard or Tevin Coleman rest of season? I'll take Tevin Coleman. Yeah, I will too. Yeah, I mean, that's just. I feel like you knew what my answer had to be. I honestly didn't know. You just were taking the hot poker to the belly. Right now, David Johnson is averaging five points per game better.

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than Jordan Howard, and he's getting a new offensive coordinator, which cannot make it worse. Can't. Impossible. I'm targeting David Johnson everywhere I can't. Wow. Simply because of perceived value versus real value. It doesn't mean that I'm targeting him because he's going to be the number one rest of the season. It's that if you can buy him cheap. If I can get a guy who does exactly what he's doing now at 14.7 for Jordan Howard, then that's, I'm taking advantage of it. Would you trade the...

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What looks like the ascension of rookie Carriott Johnson running back from the Detroit Lions, would you trade him for David Johnson? Yes. I would. I would not. In a heartbeat. Because Carriott Johnson is splitting time for the remainder of the season. Yes, that's true. Theoretic Ligarup Blunt.

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and they've not been a prolific passing rush rushing off as the resident carry on truther who believes the breakout is upon us and we are here i would still rather have david johnson i don't think he's going to break out to be a top five type of running back because of what and he said he's still going to split time rest of season he might not be the goal line back i think carry on johnson could

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outscore David Johnson the rest of the way, but I would put the odds in the favor of David Johnson. He's still the bell cow workhorse, and he's hyper. David Johnson is more talented than Carry on Johnson. Here is a great one from Twitter. Tyler on Twitter says, are you selling high on Odell Beckham Jr.? After the big week, I got a trade offer for him yesterday.

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Emmanuel Sanders and Tyler Lockett for Odell Beckham Jr. That's not selling high. No, no, no, no, no. That's not selling high. No, no, no, no, no. Selling high on Odell Beckham means trading them to a Giants fan who's like, I knew it. He's the best wide receiver in the league, and you go and you get Antonio Brown or something. You know, you... So I... Yeah, I have some thoughts here. I think we should discuss them together because Odell Beckham Jr., like...

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Let me lay this out. Jason is the owner of Antonio Brown in our league of record. Yes. And I am the O'Do Beckham Jr. owner. Yes, also true. And I also am the Saquan Berkeley owner. And so I have an interest to swap one of my Giants out. You don't want all in on that Giants offense? I'm not as interested in being all in on Giants. Now, what I do like about, I will say this, for those of you that have that stack, which a lot of you do, there's an advantage to being.

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on a team that is going to be playing through to the end of the season. Like I look at that and they say they're playing through Week 17. They're not changing the quarterback out. They've already come out and said that. This is Eli Manning's team. Well, because they're playing for the number one pick. Sure. Whatever. The thing is, and I told Jason this because he was concerned about the fact that, look, Odell is going to have in a dynasty league a new quarterback next year. O'Dowell Beckham Jr. was just paid a thousand truckloads of money. He is also the winiest player in the NFL.

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He also has a coach that is sitting there consoling him after every play and saying it's going to be okay, Odell. He gets his no matter what. That is my true belief about O'Dow Buckham Jr. And the stats bear it out. He's the third or fourth highest touches per game in the entire NFL. This past week, he had a very big game. And the targets and the receptions and those things are there. So to me, I don't think there's a lot of risk with a player like that that is so,

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He's paid so much. He demands so much. What do you guys think about that? Are you talking long term or just this year? I'm talking about both. I think he's great. This is closer to what I expect from Odo Beckham moving forward. Yeah, this is why we said over the last couple of weeks trade for him. He's one of the best, if not the best wide receiver in the National Football League. If he were on a team that was just better, it would be great for him or if he had a better quarterback.

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He's still a, you know, a tier below the Antonio Browns. I think that that trade question in particular, though, does bring up a guy that we should talk about the value of. Emmanuel Sanders has been sensational for fantasy purposes. I mean, that's on us. I feel like we're not talking about Emmanuel Sanders and what he's doing enough in.

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In our league of record, isn't he a top five wide receiver? He's the third wide receiver right now in our half point PPR settings. He's been unbelievable. Currently more points per game than Antonio Brown. Yeah. And O'Dell Beckham. So on fantasy data, we're just a standard half point PPR. Emmanuel Sanders is number three. He has more points than DeAndre Hopkins. Devante Adams, AJ Green. Now Adams has played one fewer game. But what is the actual value of Mani Sanders?

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It's been seven games and obviously very small sample, but in football turns for the season, that's about half the fantasy year. What do we do with Manny Sanders? Is he a wide receiver one through the rest of the year? The way that I look at him is he's 10 to 12. That's how I'm looking at him rest of the season. But as a one? I think so. I think as a back-end one. I look at him as like the wide receiver 15. I think he's great.

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I'd love to have him. I'm a big believer. I don't, I have a hard time, you know, believing that at age 31, he's going to stay this hot. I mean, he's, you know, he's had some of those games where he's thrown a touchdown ball and it's patted the stats for fantasy. You know, if you're talking about how high he's been. I love, I mean, I've said this for years. My favorite player to watch is Emmanuel Sanders. This guy's just, he balls out.

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He plays seemingly out of his body. You know, he's just this smaller guy who can muscle you, can get the jump ball. I love Emmanuel Sanders, but I don't see him as a wide receiver one rest of the way. A couple factors. One, he is prone to injury, and he's dealing with it even right now with the ankle. Two, his entire career, we have a long sample with Emmanuel Sanders. Of being great.

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Of being very good. Of being very good, but also of, you know, he's only had more than six touchdowns in a season one time in nine years. So I don't think you're going to get on that offense with Case Keenom the same level. You know, he's got three touchdowns right now. Does he end with six? Well, do they play the Cardinals again this season? No. No, that's not good. He does end the year with Cleveland, Oakland, I believe, which is delightful. Which, by the way.

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It's one of the reasons why I'm a big Broncos defense fan for the end of the season. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know that did you pick them up? Yeah, I had some, I had some bids in for some other guys. But he would just a quick reminder, if you have the Patriots defense, we talked about picking them up last week because it's play the week ahead game, whoever's playing the bills. You might want to hold on to them if your team's looking strong. You got a positive record because week 16 championship weekend.

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