NFC North Breakdown + Depth Chart Takeaways, Christian Kirk

And Giovanni Bernard. Theo Riddick. So, man. Bad off, bad, historically bad, you know, offensive line. Their offensive line has improved. Pro football focus has them coming into the season as the number eight offensive line. Let's move on to the wide receivers, though. Golden Tate.

90 and 1,000? Is this just you can mark it down? Yeah. If he play 16, it's 90 plus receptions, 1,000 yards, and it's great. But one thing you need to be wary of with Golden Tate, and we've talked about this more so in off seasons when we're reflecting on the truth.

of the wide receiver series is that golden tate despite having a lot of volume is not a consistent week in and week out performer he kind of it's really bizarre because you don't have a lot of other guys that are 90 and a thousand receivers year after year that

Don't just week after week get it done. And Golden Tate is thought of as, in fact, in our last mock draft, I took him as kind of I want the more consistent guy. And then afterwards I thought about the fact that he's a little bit fools gold, fools gold in consistency. Whereas you look at Marvin Jones, like a boom bust guy, but they kind of both are. And I think maybe this is a Matthew Stafford. This past season, both of them were right at that 50% when it came to consistency of.

games where they were either a wide receiver one or two, but over the past two years, what you were talking about, Jason, over the past two years, Golden Tate 40% of the time was a wide receiver one or two. I don't really love Golden Tate. I feel like, look, we've been through this in his career now where we've seen him. He's a 9-10 per catch guy. He's not going to score more than five times.

and he's not going to have more than about 1,000 yards. So I like him in the fact that you can roll him in there and get some level of guaranteed production, but there's not a ceiling to him anymore. He's gone. He's 30 years old. I still love him. He's never scored more than seven touchdowns in a season. Hasn't had more than six, I think, in the last five years. It just depends what you want from that position. It comes down to how have you constructed.

your wide receiver core. And what type of league you're in. Yep. Half point, full point, you're going to be in a lot better situation with Golden Tate. I will say this. Right now he is the 20th wide receiver off the board. If you look back at the last four seasons, he was the 13th, 27th, 19th, and 15th wide receiver. So if you don't believe that he, if you don't believe that he's lost a step at age 30, which I don't think any of us do, it does a return value. Project to be a valuable pick there.

Eric Ebron left this off season, Jason. Yes. Maybe he's off to greener pastures in Indianapolis. Surprise value in fantasy is who on this roster? The surprise. Kenny Galladay is Luke Wilson. The surprise value will be Luke Wilson. Eric Ebron is gone. Also gone is Darren Fells. That is over 100 targets to the tight end position this past season. Luke Wilson.

It's a prove it deal. It's only a one year, two and a half million dollar deal. But before Seattle traded for Jimmy Graham, you saw flashes of Luke Wilson making really big plays. And I firmly believe he has been brought in to be the move tight end, to be the past catching tight end. And it won't shock me to see him up in that Ebron area that 80 to 90 targets for a fantasy tight end that's essentially undrafted.

That's fantastic value. Last year they were worst in the NFL in rushing yards per game with 76 a game. They were sixth in passing yards per game. Last year, their end of season offensive line rank was 19th. In 2018, Pro Football Focus has them improving all the way up to the number eight overall offensive line, which means a lot to that balance. It means a lot to the...

possibility of value at the running back position. I think people have been burnt year after year, and that's causing some blindness into the potential value of the running back position in Detroit. Yeah, I agree. And the final thing I will say is please don't mock draft Caryon Johnson. Move on. Packers. All right, the Packers, disappointing seven and nine season. Aaron Rogers returned at the very end, trying to...

Get the Packers into the playoffs. It didn't pan out. But Rogers missed significant time last year with injury. Key subtractions to this offense. Both tight ends. Martell has Bennett and Richard Rogers are gone. Jordy Nelson, who is a longtime fantasy force on Green Bay, is now gone. And you did have the drafting of three wide receivers. We talked about them a little bit earlier, but Jamon Moore. Jamon. I was waiting. Yeah. And then Equanimia St. Brown.

Marcus Valde's scantling is also in consideration there. And then Jimmy Graham was brought in three-year, $30 million deal. We've, I think, talked enough about Jimmy Graham on previous episodes. I like to focus ourselves elsewhere, if possible. And let's talk about the running back situation, which I know we've discussed that as well. But last year, they were 17th in the league in rushing yards per game, 25th and passing yards per game. Look, Aaron Rogers wasn't behind the helm. There was no captain of the ship.

last year and you saw the disintegration of their offensive ability. No, there was a lieutenant's. A man, lieutenant was calling the show. Corporal. And Brett Hunley and it did not. No, and he's gone to. It did not turn out for Green Bay. But at the wide receiver position, or I'm sorry, where are we starting running? You can start wherever you want, Mike. The running backs is, it's a great place to start off because we have such.

differing opinions, so I'll let Jason come in here with his defense of last year's starter. Okay, so last year's starter, Ty Montgomery, when all three people were healthy, he was the top five running back, just like Dalvin Cook, extraordinarily small sample size. He would be different than Dalvin Cook in the sense that Dalvin Cook.

was a superstar in college. You knew what you were getting. They drafted him to be that. None of those things are true about Ty Montgomery. That's why he is a big risk, along with the fact that the other two rookies who both played well when given their opportunities last season, who are running backs, were drafted to be running backs, are there. When I look at the breakdown, here's how I see it. I see Ty Montgomery as the clear, I know Aaron Jones had a good college.

production in passing, but he's not as good as Ty Montgomery when it comes to the pass catching role. So I think he is clearly at least the pass catching running back, which if I'm looking at the Packers offense with Aaron Rogers at the helm, that's the piece that I want is the one that's going to be catching the passes, the touchdown passes from Aaron Rogers. When it comes to the decision between Jamal Williams and Aaron Jones, I know, Mike, you're on the Aaron Jones side. I am firmly...

firmly on the Jamal Williams side because look when Jamal Williams got the opportunity last year he was really good I mean you look at his stretch he had weeks he was very good for fantasy for fantasy yes well that's what well and let is the head coach playing fantasy football now no but I mean you're not going to make decisions based on that you're good at fantasy by putting up

Good stats. By getting volume. So, I mean, he had three weeks in a row where he was the second running back, the seventh, and the fifth running back. And that comes after two of the three weeks before that in the top 24. So my point is, with Aaron Jones suspended the first two games, who's going to be the main primary running back on the ground?

Clearly it's going to be Jamal Williams. It has to be. For those first two games, yes. For the first two, yeah, for the first. He gets the opportunity to prove it first. I don't think anybody argues that, but to me, Jason, what you're saying is he was good for fantasy when he had the opportunity to do it, but he wasn't great from a metric perspective. So I think Green Bay, look, he gets a chance to prove it, but he didn't prove it. Like, he's not going to win the job in those two weeks. You don't think, you don't think that with Aaron Rogers there.

because when he was playing, it was mostly without Aaron Rogers when Jamal Williams was starting, that Jamal Williams will be more effective as a running back when Aaron Rogers is behind the line of script. I don't think there's any guarantee that he will be. Sure, but I guess my point is when we're taking a look at the draft season, you're saying who are you going to take the shot on? Probability odds, they go first to Jamal Williams to actually get the opportunity.

There is a chance that Jamal Williams does good, and then Aaron Jones just doesn't even get the opportunity. You have to, if you believe in Aaron Jones, you have to not only believe that he'll be good, but that also he'll get the opportunity after a couple weeks in. Yeah, I would just handicap that percentage chance of Jamal Williams doing that to Aaron Jones at like under 5%. Oh, that's hot. Get bodied. Yeah, that's not that I don't think Jamal Williams is okay, but he's made to be an RB2 on a roster. That's how I feel about Jamal Williams.

dominant. He was efficient. Our good friend of the show, J.J. Zach, a recent, he loves Aaron Jones as well as I do. And very small sample for Aaron Jones when he was the lead guy. But you're talking, he was putting up Alvin Camara levels of efficiency in those couple of games. And I don't think that Montgomery nor Williams has the ability.

To do that. And for the Green Bay running back position, I'm going to bet on talents. And I believe that's Aaron Jones. But Jason's right. You do have to sit. He's suspended for two games. And then he will have to earn that rollback. And I think you could take a little bit. If you can draft Jamal Williams late enough and get a couple of starts out of him to begin the year. Right. That's a real viable way to let's say you're Mike the other day in our mock.

And our Mark draft, yeah, Mark Ingram is a good example, too. If you draft Mark Ingram and you're trying to bide time. But the other day, Mike went zero RB through the first five rounds. Well, if you take some of the rookies towards the back of the draft and then you want to put in Jamal Williams. I think it's a great way to go. Buy yourself some time. That's what zero RB is all about, just buying yourself a couple weeks. So the offensive wide receiver that you would take a shot on is who? I'll take Devante Adams. Well, outside of Devonthe.

Well, let's start with Devante Adams. Just how high do you have Devante Adams this season? We all have them as a one. Is that correct? Sure. As wide receiver one? Yeah, he's kind of, he's a magnet for the, you know, the end zone. Yeah, I've got him as my wide receiver nine. Okay. So top 10 wide receiver, it's. Yeah, Jason has him at nine. Mike and I have him at six right now. Yeah, I'm very bullish on Devante Adams moving into it. That's just a math equation with Aaron Rogers. Yeah, number one wide receiver?

Plus Aaron Rogers equals number one. Equals fantasy. Yeah. So let's move it on. Man. If you're going to take a shot. It was Geronimo all off season for me. It was going to be Geronimo Allison. I want the player who has spent time with Aaron Rogers, who has earned that trust. Like I had said, the news on Allison coming out of training camp from Beat reporters is not the best. But there was that small glimmer of hope where they talked about a play where.

Things kind of broke down, and Allison knew where Aaron Rogers was going to want to go with the ball. They connected for a touchdown, and then Aaron Rogers had a quote of essentially saying, that's what I like about Allison. He knows where I want him to go. So if you have the support of the quarterback, maybe he can hold on. So I'll say this. Through training camp, if he holds on to a roster spot, which that sounds ominous.

it's still going to be Geronimo Allison for me. And for me as well. I mean, he is, he's got the leg up. It's similar to the Jamal Williams thing. I think he's going to get the first shot, the opportunity. And I'm always going to take the opportunity with Aaron Rogers. Adam Gaye said about an hour ago regarding the depth chart situation we were talking about earlier with Kenyon Drake. He said I wouldn't look too deep into this depth chart. And then when they asked them about specifically Gore and Drake being co-starters and why he did it that way,

His response was, quote, just to be an a-hole. That's literally what he said. So it's not a, it's, the depth charts are funny because some coaches do. This is your coach? Some coaches approach it as like, look, especially at this point in the season, I have to submit this, but it's, it means nothing to me. So that's why we tell you don't over emphasize those situations.