Week 1 Hype + TNF Breakdown, Starts/Sits - Fantasy Football Podcast for 9/4

Gibbs was already above them for all three of our rankings. I have Kyran one spot. Yeah, I was going to say, I had Kyran ahead before, so I was just telling you where I adjusted. Let me take a look. Let me give some numbers. I'll give me some names. Yeah, go Travis E.TN. ETN's above it, for sure. Let's go Derek Henry. I will, in a standard, go Henry. The others I'll still go Kyran. Okay. Devon, Aetian. I'd probably take the shot on H.N. I have him one spot behind H. I have Kyran at 10. So that's where I moved it.

Okay. He's at 10. He's behind Barclay. He's behind A-chan. Rashad White. One spot behind Kyran. One spot behind Kyran. Okay. Okay. Yeah, he's behind Cook. For me. Okay. For me. So, again, I'm not really happy this whole conversation came up. I really not because it's just too much air time for the story that I didn't mean it to be. Like, this sounds like I think Kyron is the worst player in the league. He's incredible. That's what I heard. He's number 10 on my rankings, but it did move him. It did change him. Because my problem with Gibbs, right? is a committee with Montgomery, right? The hope of Kyron was you were going to get everything. Yes, yeah, yes, what you got last year. And again, he didn't have Cooper Cup for summer last year too. Like this is a competitive red zone situation. So we'll find out very, very soon how stupid or smart or in between we all are on that decision. It's tough. You're looking for one little tweak as to who you're going to draft.

But Ty Chandler returning kicks. We knew he's behind Aaron Jones. Chase Brown returning kicks. We knew he's behind Zach Moss. So those are kind of, they don't, they don't. It actually makes me interested. In Zach Moss? Just in what, like Chase Brown and Ty Chandler with the new kick returns and those players being committee backs where you were drafting them already. It's kind of cool when you're guys going to get an opportunity. It might be one, one touchdown extra a year. But if you are starting a committee back and they get one, that's cool. Yeah, I'm fascinated to see because a lot of the coaches early this offseason, they were talking about putting more important, more talented players in that role because it's going to be a, you know, a field position change. Yeah, we'll see, have heard rumors, of course, all of these things. But like some teams are just saying, screw it. We're going to boot it in the end zone. And we're going to give the other, give the team the good.

touchback because I think it's the 35. Yeah. I've heard seems say that we're just going to let all the other teams, we're going to see what happens over the first few weeks, but we'll just start people at the 35. The data that I've seen from preseason is that basically the shorter they kick it, the better it is for the kicking team on field position. I don't know why. Maybe it's not going to the right guy. I was playing. They just get there. It's like the rules are, it's a pretty complex play now. Because if you, you know, you have the area of the field where the ball has to hit. And I was playing Madden with the boy. And I didn't remember exactly how it works. And so do you get a penalty? No, no. You don't get a penalty. But like I'm on the one or the two, right? Returning the kick. And I'm like, we're going to let this thing roll right into the end zone. But because it hit in the zone and then goes in the end zone, then you're on the 20. Yeah. Yeah, because you're forced to return it.

Yeah, it's going to be weird. It will. And that's almost kind of been forgotten that that's what we're going to see debuted as well on Sunday in every game. Thursday. Tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow. Okay. Is there other news you guys have? Anything else breaking? Does Jamar Chase? Looking no contract. Is able to buy dinner tonight? Does he have what it takes? Still able to purchase dinner. Just no new contract. That was today's news and notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at USAA.com slash insurance. Going to take a quick break and jump right into our matchup. Also, with the news, you contract, all the contract stuff, the stuff that happened last year, I am taking the formal approach from this point on that anything goes. Oh, I love it. If it's within the NFLPA, the CBA for the players, and if the team can do it, the ownership, whatever, if it's permissible.

I'm not going to look down upon it from either side. Everything is fair game, and I completely agree with you. I don't judge the team for wanting to not pay guys, and I don't judge the players for wanting to get paid. The one place, though, is that I still think stupid decisions are stupid decisions. And so, for instance, let's say after week one, they give Jamar Chase. Everything you wanted. Everything he wanted. Yeah. It's just dumb. It's just, you lost your player. You're a very valuable player that could have helped you. Maybe you lose that game. Maybe you miss the playoffs because of one loss. Like, if you're going to pay him, maybe do it so he can play. Well, and that is stupid, but also maybe Jamar Chase exercising those options that he has is the only way he got paid. I mean, that is, that's the give and take of the situation that kind of, you know, I think players make mistakes. Lev Bell took a gamble, didn't work out. He lost. Ruined his career.

Yeah. But then teams have made mistakes too. And the Bengals in particular, like when you think of the Bengals organization, I know things have gotten a lot better. They made a Super Bowl run and they have great players now, but they historically have done. They've pooped the bet on contracts for players. They have ruined player relationships. And then completely different circumstance, I get it. And we didn't talk about it. But Patrick Sartan of the Denver Broncos. same draft class as Jamar Chase, same contract situation sitting behind him. They just made him the highest paid DB in history. It is, yeah, I don't know. I think some of it has been teams with small windows to win with the players they got. Don't negotiate the way that teams building a new foundation do. The Broncos Foundation, DJ Moore Foundation in Chicago. Yeah, it could be.

It's weird. It's interesting to me. Brandon Ayuk was super transparent about it. He came out when he's like, you know, not just said he made it more difficult than it needed to be at the end, but he said a squeaky wheel has to be silent sometime. Then you have to know when to squeak. I was just trying to find the balance. Like that's got to be strange. It's got to be weird because you're putting your trust in your agent, right? You're not just making every decision yourself, but you're sitting at home wanting to be with your team going, is this the right thing? Is this the right thing? Is this the right thing?

And we'll get to talk about it every year forever. So there you go. Thursday night breakdown. I think Kyron's going to be good. I just want to, you know. Okay. He's going to be a good player. I mean, that's not what I heard. No, I know it's not. He's a backup. The Baltimore rate, oh my gosh, I'm going to dunk so hard if it pans out that way and ignore it if it doesn't. Baltimore at Kansas City. J. J. going to alley-oop. Yeah, one of you throw it up for the other. The Draft King Sportsbook line for the Thursday night football kickoff game, Kansas City at home minus three. The over under is 46 and a half. Okay. And we saw these teams face off and score a far fewer points in the AFC title game. Kansas City won 17 to 10. And they had the ball for the majority of that game. It was a ball control situation. It was that running game. Baltimore turned it over three times. Kansas City defense.

We know how good it was last year. It's not the same, but it should be very good. I'm happy to report that both teams have lost important defensive assets because, you know, that was part of the problem with these two teams, especially Kansas City last year, with Sneed there just locking down opposing ones. So happy he's gone because I want Patrick Mahomes to have to throw the ball a lot more. And even though I love Pacheco. just doing the passing game. I got bad news, though. The Ravens don't have any wide receiver ones, so he wouldn't have been needed. No, we get to see Derek Candery and Ravens Purple. Very exciting. And we get to see what Zay Flowers has for a sophomore season. Mark Andrews should be back out there. Yeah, he was practicing. And, you know, so it's going to be very, very exciting. Very good defenses. Last year, like Jason said, we're hoping that, you know,

Traditionally, when you come out of the gate, sometimes the offense takes a little while to get it going. We'll see what happens in this one. You're not going to have Hollywood Brown making his debut on the other side in terms of the injuries. But let's start at the quarterback position. In week one, Mahomes has finished as the quarterback 4, 5, 14, 2, 1, and 7, and averages 3.3 passing touchdowns in... season openers. Yeah, I mean, this is one of those where if you drafted Mahomes, if you drafted Lamar, obviously you're playing them. There is no one you're going to start over them. They were drafted to be started. It's just a matter of expectation. And I do think that both of these quarterbacks have a good week one, despite the, you know, last year's number one and number two in points per game defenses. Yeah, I mean, Lamar, it's, uh, it was a lot to ask of him last year. It was a tough game.

Are we going to see the same? I mean, this question gets brought up. To be fair, it's been brought up with Josh Allen a million times about hitting a wall of the rushing totals being where you want them to be. Josh Allen is how old, 28? Lamar is 27.6. Do you think at some point we're going to see? Josh Allen is 28, yeah. See the transition for Lamar to protecting himself or is that just going to be too integral to his game forever? I think it's probably going to be. He's a different type. He's a different type of runner. He doesn't seem to take the damage that like the Cam Newton and Josh Allen. These are guys that go, you know, it's like around the goal line. They're smashing into defenders and running over them. You don't see, you know, Lamar's rushing touchdowns usually come from much further away and he's avoiding players. So I think he'll run a little later than some of those big body guys. But certainly this year, I'm not worried about it at all. I do think it might be a pretty.

Difficult debut for Isaiah Pacheco if he's not involved in the passing game, which he could be, but we'll also see Samajap right out there. This is a very tough matchup. Last year, the Ravens were number one against the run. And in that divisional game, or sorry, in that title game, he was 24 for 68, not efficient, scored a touchdown. You're obviously drafting him to start him. I'm not saying to do anything differently. We're not. We're not spot starting on Isaiah, but Chekos anytime soon. Yeah, it's just like Kyron. Like Kyran's week one matchup against the Lions. The Lions have been shutting down running back. He might have a bad week one. Don't overreact from one matchup. I will. This game, it's fantastic because it's an easy game of your starting everybody. It's just what are the storylines that I am watching for? I mean, I think, I think.

Xavier Worthy is the big start sick question. Oh, okay. I mean. Yeah, Xavier Worthy. That's fair. Here's why you start Xavier Worthy. You want to call your shot and you want to see it on the first chance you have to watch football. If that is not the reason you're starting him, I would just, you know, you'd draft him probably as one of your top three wide receivers in which case, you know, let the game play out. Much different player, but I can tell you from personal experience last year of. Travis Kelsey missing week one and Sky Moore than looking like a really good play. And he wasn't. He was actually very detrimental to your team whenever you started him. So it's if I, I wouldn't be trying. I'm not forcing worthy into the lineup. But the storyline is I'm looking for. Does Rishie Rice keep that target share up?

How involved is Pacheco in the passing game? It's so huge if, and especially if week one, like Somaget P. Ryan, who just got onto this team is all of a sudden taking a bunch of third down snaps, you know, getting somehow in the, when they're on a passing attack drive, P. Ryan's getting a bunch of snaps. That would be pretty devastating. And then on the other side, what's going to go on here with Mark Andrews and Isaiah likely? of it I don't think it's been a blaring siren from what's been what we're hearing from the Ravens but there's some murmurs of Isaiah likely might actually be the third weapon for this team of Andrews and flowers their roles are secured Bateman every single time they talked about Bateman having a great day he got injured then he got hurt

Like, oh, Bateman's finally back. Oh, what a day of practice. And Rashad Bateman is hurt. Maybe that's their fault at this point. It's like it's a curse. Like stop talking nice about Bateman. Say some mean stuff about him. Get him out on the field. Break his spirit. Pull your best Dennis Allen. I think likely is a very, very good player. I do too. I think he should be their third primary target in this offense. And I don't think that comes at the expense of Mark Andrew's injury. They can play. This is a team that will play with a lot of two tight-in sets, and he should be more involved. Tight-ins generally have a little bit longer peak. I'm trying to think of how Andrew's athletic peak, how long that's going to last. But he's got some time. He's almost 29. He's fine. But at tight-end, you know, I think you're going to be okay. His next-gen stats of yards per separation. I believe he was number one.

last year. He was really good. The injury makes us forget and makes us frustrated because it seems like it's every year. But please do not forget when Andrews is on the field, he is as good a fantasy tight end as there is. He's been the tight end to the first six weeks for three straight years. Correct. So that's true, Mike. The storyline's there. How much they use Xavier worthy? How much the tight ends get? on the field together and then you know zayflowers is a good start in this game if you had zayflowers in rushy rice i could see a situation where those are literally your flex options or your last wide receiver option if you had to start one of this one of them in this game rice yeah i would as well home favored Derek henry how much work is you going to get what is it going to look like for the uh the ravens in terms of what henry was used to in tennessee and in what it looks like around the goal line is also going to be interesting to watch

But from a start standpoint, you're starting the running backs, the quarterbacks, rice and flowers, Andrews, and Kelsey. And then you're just thinking about that flex option for Xavier Worthy. And they gave us a treat here. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I see possible chance of thunderstorms. Please don't have delays. Okay. I'm going to be waiting all day for this. Don't, don't delay this game. This is the first time we've done our League of Record draft and then gone straight into week one. Yeah, we're drafting tomorrow altogether and then watching the game. That just means, and I'm going to just put this out there, that means you might want to watch tomorrow show on YouTube. I'm just going to let you know because we're going straight from recording this show into our draft and I'm not going to change clothes in between. Oh, okay. That's all I didn't know where you were going. So YouTube.com. You got like a king robe outfit coming? All right. I don't know. I don't know what I got coming. Anything else you want to talk about in the Thursday night preview? Nope. We'll take a quick break, answer some questions.

All right, let's jump into the mailbag. Mailbag. All right, well, we have a voicemail question now? We do. All right, let's jump in. And then Drake London falls to me in the middle of the four. Do I try to trade? Appreciate it. Love the show. So question is, Bijon was drafted in the first. Drake London fell to the fourth, which is unbelievable value. That's not going all in on Drake. No. If he falls to you. No, and. Normally in this studio, if you talk about a double Falcon, that's a clogged toilet problem. Right. Like that is a situation. Double Falcon would be maybe you're calling a doctor. It's too much to wipe. There's, it's, it's too, that's at least a two roller. Full rolls. Yeah. But it, but yes, if, Falcon, how does that make you feel knowing that you and your name on this show is basically a term? It's like a synonym.

I wear it as a badge of honor. Oh, man. That's good. He probably has to go. But that's fine. No, I would, I'd let that play out. If Kyle Pitts, this hamstring injury is, if it is a factor, at least over the first portion of the season, Drake London, Drake London should be so good. Let me. He should be so good. I have a question. I'm going to submit my own mailbag question because I think. I need to hear your perspective on it. Okay. How long, how many games does it take for a player that has not been, you know, given the, whatever the expression. Whatever the crown. Yeah, who is not like Drake London, Garrett Wilson, these players that we want, and Chris Oliva, we want and expect them to take a step forward. We need them to be in the upper echelon and we want to give them that, you know, the reason you hesitate.

about drafting Drake London a little bit is because you haven't seen that. How many games does it take for you to believe that you've got the thing that you're hoping for? I wrote down my answer. Because one game. Wait, to believe in a positive way. Correct. Like how many games of Drake London's success? Till I fully believe him. Till you say he is what we thought he was versus I just had a good, like I mean, I looked at the, what was it? In our last matchup. Like you talked about Skymore having a big first game. You might have believed after one game, Skymore was a good player. I believe to talk about him, not. Yeah. Oh, you said he did. Yeah, he did not. Oh, got you. That was the like, don't play worthy week one. The point is that there's lots of players that have big week one. Yes, Sammy Watkins. Sammy Watkins would come out and annihilate in week one and you're like, I got that dude. And then he's like, gotcha. You guys remember what Skymore's line was?

Skymore's line from last year? Yeah, week one. With no Travis Kelsey. Is it a zero burger? No. Okay. It is a zero reception burger. Okay. And one carry for four yards. All right. So you guys wrote down your answer on how many games it takes? I wrote down my answer for both directions for me to conclude that he is. He is the guy. Oh, I just went positive. And then how many it would take for me to go, I'm out. And I'm going to take the L and I'm not going to keep trying. What are your answers? For yes, my answer is.

One. Now is that because of priors, though? I'm talking about neutral. I want NBA GM. You're saying one good Drake London game and you've confirmed that he's good because he had those last year. I'm saying that if he comes out in week one, I mean, this really is the question for Drake London specifically. If he comes out week one and has 12 targets, it has one of the big games he's had before. I will be an early actor or believer. I will believe right off the bat. Now, that is. Ironically, it's on the heels of saying, don't always do that. And I wouldn't always do that. But this is a situation where we are waiting to see the target market share of Kirk Cousins, the health of Kirk Cousins. And so if he comes out and has a big week one, I'm going to believe that that doesn't mean he's going to be consistent every week's going to be great. But at the end of the year, he's going to be a top 10 wide receiver. So last year, the one that would have been the pulled the rug out name was Calvin Ridley.

Because he came out and he was the wider receiver six in week one and had an incredible market share and eight catches, 11 targets. That one didn't end up where you wanted. If you remember, it wasn't even week one. It was like first quarter. Maybe it was first half. But he just started on nuclear fire. The first couple drives were all Calvin Ridley. And it was like, oh my gosh. Yeah. We're, you know. If you were wrong, you were wrong. And he certainly disappeared from that point for a while. You know who was the running back three and the running back five in week one last year? If you want to blast from the past. I won't remember. Well, you will after I say it. Austin Eckler was number three. Yeah. Yeah. And. The body shots. It's not too. It's too early to give up. Tony Pollard was the running back five after week one last year. A lot of prior. A lot of priors. No, I don't remember that one. 14 for 70 and two.

in week one. I remember watching his utilization week one going, holy crap. Mike, what was your answer? Three games. If I see three games that are productive, then I will be in. I'm with you. Three sounds good. And then to actually be out, it would, you know, it would take a good amount. Because if it doesn't happen week one, don't freak out. There's a brand new situation for. It's a new coach. It's a new offense. It's a new quarterback. It might take a little bit. I had four games to be out. Okay. Give them a month. All right. We're looking at the number one most search player on the website for our start sit tool, which is back up there. So you can plug in a couple players, see where we would have them ranked, who you should start and sit. And it shows you a matchup breakdown. But the number one search player.

is Jerome Ford right now for week one. It makes sense. Because where he's going in drafts is normally behind the auto start area. So I'm going to give you three Jerome Ford week one start sit. Okay. Jerome Ford's playing Dallas. Yep. They are at home, I believe, right? I'm pretty sure Dallas is on the road in Cleveland. That is correct. Ford or Ramondre at Cincinnati? Ford or Ramondre? I will go Ramondre. I will play Ford. I'll go Ramondre there. Ford or Giovante Williams at Seattle? I'll go Ford there. I will go. I'll take Ford. I think I'll go Javante. Ford or David Montgomery Sunday night football against the Rams? I want that game. Give me David Montgomery. Okay. Got a little bit of. Oh, that one is really hard. See the big news on Jimmy or Gibbs. He's 98 to 100%.

better so probably like just 99% yeah he said 98 or 100 I'm just going to take I just thought that was the most interesting answer also you have I'm totally 100% well I'm not 100 but like 98 so close man but I'm not there yet it could be there I might be there but I'm so he's like one good sleep away from fully recovering. You have David Montgomery in League of Record, Jason. I'm sure you're hoping for that game. Mike, what was your answer on that one? My answer was that one is really hard. Ah. I think I think I'm playing Ford. And then one flex question, Jerome Ford against Dallas or JSN against Denver? JSCN against in a full PPR. It's funny because you've got Sartan who's probably going to be more focused towards NECA.

I think I'd go JSN there. I would be on the watch for the Tyler Lockett news. Just make sure that like if Tyler Lockett, if there's still some questions about is he fully healthy? As of right now, it seems like he's fully ready to go. Yeah, but I'm saying like things could happen throughout the week that might make it easy. Now if it's a difficult question, what's your answer? As in as in there's nothing there. It's just everyone's full goal. Everyone's like the question. Yeah. Well, the questions always have context. But they also have answers. What was your answer? Oh, that's a great point, Mike. That's the best way to answer on this show. Yes, what was your answer that you haven't given it? Because I didn't hear it. Ford. Ford country. Okay. I think I'm Ford there too. Okay. This is a good reminder, a PSA, if you will. We all have had times in our lives where...

Our parents told us to do something, and we just didn't do it. And so, you know, teenagers. I talk to my teenager all the time. He doesn't listen. No. I try. I have advice for him. I've lived life. You know what I mean? I've done all the years he's done. And I was as dumb as he can sometimes be. Not always. But sometimes it goes in one ear and out the other, and that's what probably this advice right here is going to be. But I'm going to try it anyway. Okay. from the dad of the show. All right. Please, Foot Clan, fancy football players of the world, do your best not to lose your mind on week one. Do your best not to react to such a great degree that you lose your mind. If D.K. Metcab gets shut down by Sertan on week one, his season's not over and he wasn't the worst pick you've ever made. Okay? Huh? And if Kyron struggles against the defensive front,

despite my priors uh he's not the worst player that's ever played what i know is that we will know exactly did that process who the best player this season will be after week one and who and whatever happens week one just copy paste the rest of the season where this is year 10 and i've yet to see anybody follow this advice but i'm going to try it again you know what i mean the heart wants just try to calm down maybe what you need to do i lost i lost week one last year by the way i lost week one last year by the way i lost week one