Fantasy Football Podcast for 2015 - Free Agent Quarterbacks / Tight Ends and Fantasy News

The idea that he isn't restructuring right now? Yeah, it's just ridiculous. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what his thought process is. He gets one last shot, right? Yeah, he's coming back to win. So why would, why has he strapped the Broncos with such a high bill? It has seemed confusing. Well, it might be literally a power play of I'll restructure if he wants certain players, right? I mean, he wants Julius Thomas.

probably more than he wants them to go out and sign a corner. And so if he's not restructuring his deal and saying, I'll restructure, but here's kind of what I'm looking for, then you kind of, you have to do what he says. That's not very nice, Peyton. And, of course, I am making this all up. So I'm not very nice either. Yeah, I mean, he wants to succeed. But he's not putting the team in a position. Well, I think he's waiting to see how the chips fall.

I think what Jason says right. I think it's a, you know, you get Demarius. Oh, he's back. You know, where's Wes go? What happens with my tight-in situation? What happens with what the offense looks like? And his health. They say he's still waiting on his health. The question that really fantasy, I mean, you're listening to a fantasy podcast with fantasy experts because of questions like this. This is the real question that we need to answer with Julius Thomas is how good is Julius Thomas as an NFL tight end?

and how much was what he did a result of Peyton Manning? Because he's going to be presumably leaving, and the question as to where to draft him is how much was Peyton? Obviously a part of it was Peyton, but a part of it was him. So where does that lie? Where is his value aside from Peyton? I'm going it was 70 to 75% Peyton. I would agree, but not necessarily Peyton, just the opportunities of goal line touchdowns.

I think he's a really good player, but if you put him in Jacksonville or you put him in Oakland, simply the goal line opportunities go down. So I think he can be a productive player, but you're talking productive like a Delaney Walker who is on a team that's offense just isn't prolific. I mean, would you agree with that? So Julius Thomas goes to Jacksonville. Who do you prefer between Julius Thomas and, say, Travis Kelsey, Andy?

Uh, Kelsey. That's not even close. Yeah, that's why I went with Andy, because I know you, you like myself, have a man crush on Travis. Travis Kelsey. Fasano is released? Oh, I don't know. Zeus. Oh, I'm high. Don't get too high. Oh, I'm high. Oh, I'm taking... Travis Kelsey's good, but he's not... He's not done it. Oh, he... I'm taking that guy in, like, the fourth round. I watched enough of him. I watched enough of him to know he is... He is like a... There's a lot of time between now and then.

They're not going to roll one guy. He has proven it. I'm telling you. I watched the games. Watch him sign Jordan Cameron next week and then start crying. That's fine. Or Jermaine Gresham or Niles Paul or somebody. Because Jordan Cameron will be getting home from his grocery store visit. He'll stand up too quick and hit his head on the trunk. And then he's out. I feel like we need to water about Travis Kelsey. Yes. Right now. All right.

Where, what are we getting? What are the odds on this? If you're, if you're putting him in the middle of the third or the fourth round, I'm just saying where I would take. Right, I know. The reason we're doing that is because we are sure he's a top five. Sure, sure, absolutely positive. He's a top five. I think he's a top three. Yeah, I think. That's the bet I want to make. Top three bet you want to make. Of course that's the one you do. I know, but listen, shh, shh, I'm talking to hitman here. All right. Top three, hitman. You better bring it. So, top three. Top three, okay. Kelsey.

That's an easy bet. That's an easy bet for me. Yep, I'll do it. And, you know, Julius, if he leaves, he's one dropping out the top, top three for you. So, all right, top three, Kelsey. Yeah, put it on the board. Put it on the board. We've got, put it on the water bet. Which will also be a feature of the site, the Fantasy Footballers. Oh, we do. We've got to get the board up there. The water bets. The water board? There you go. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

There will be live waterboarding videos. So Jason still needs to get wet, by the way, because he lost the Fitzgerald bet. Yeah, that happened quickly. This is the off season. I'm not supposed to be losing bets on it. This is Kelsey one won't happen quickly. But I do hope that, like, tomorrow they sign another guy and I'm just laughing. Top three bet, hitman and myself. Sounds good to me. All right, so...

Julius, his ADP is dropping. He started at the middle of the third. He's back down to the fourth round. If he's back, I mean, is there any reason to be concerned? No. So he's just, he's a top three guy? No. Top five. Top five. I take him three absolutely without hesitation. If he's back, there's no reason on planet Earth that he's not top three. And Mike would get watered.

I think the reason he's not top three is because he's touchdowns. Yeah, the Broncos are going to put up a lot of those things. Well, maybe. Yeah, I guess we'll wait and see. Jordan Cameron, he'll be gone. They're not going to pay him in Cleveland. Oh, he's already said. He's called the Browns a clown show. Yeah, so Falcons, Seahawks. Classifying Jordan Cameron is a tight-in. I don't know if we can do that.

Because back when the Jimmy Graham thing happened, he switched his Twitter profile to say he's a past catcher. So wait, we're not allowed to talk about him. Next. So we have the rumors of, or I guess just the quality landing spots of him going to the Falcons or the Seahawks. The Falcons makes more sense to me than the Seahawks. I don't think the Seahawks will be willing to pay him that money, where the Falcons need...

Well, I guess they don't need need, but you know what I mean. It would improve their offense tremendously if they didn't have Toy Lolo. Do you see his numbers? Do we talk about that on here? Toy Lolo? How often he was targeted and how his catch rate was so low. I was going to say his numbers were low low. He didn't. Here's the thing about Lolo. Thank you. He, Toy Lolo, ran routes at high percentages.

So his like percentage of catches per route's run is just disastrously low. Like I think they just tested it out last year and they said, hey, is this the next step in for Tony Gonzalez? And no, no is the answer. Did Matt Ryan just looking in the huddle was Matt Ryan giggling every single time he called the route for a toy lolo? Yeah, I don't know. You go do something. Atlanta needs a tight end. And if they sign a quality tight end, I'm actually really excited about.

about that player because I think they'll get the work on a good offense with a great offense of coordinator. So I'm really excited to see who they pick up. They've already pretty much said they're out of the Julius Thomas race. So they're not looking big money. They're looking cheap. That's why I think Jordan Cameron is an actual... Jordan Cameron, if he finds big money on the open market...

That's a stupid team because there's just too many question marks with his head injuries. And so I think he's got to prove himself. He might be able to come a little cheaper. And if he can go there, I would really like him a lot. And here's what will happen. Jordan Cameron will find that team willing to give him the money. They're going to sit down. He will have just finished signing his signature and he will sneeze and he will be concussed. So the Raiders will have to put him on to IR right away? Yes.

Yeah, he has a long track record of concussions, and big money on him would probably be foolish. So I would not expect a big money deal from him, especially with other guys available. Let's talk about Charles Clay. Yeah, I like Charles. He's in charge. Charles Clay is an interesting player. He's a valuable player. He's a young player. 26, right? Yeah, I just wanted to keep it going.

He also lines up as a halfback every once in a while. Because he's not that big, which is my problem with Charles Clay. Totally, mine too. Goaline problem. Yeah, exactly. He's six, too. He's going to be somebody... He shows up in Denver? Yes, he shows up in Denver. I think I like him a lot more just because of their opportunities. I actually was going to say the opposite, but...

Well, I think that... I like him in Denver if Julius is gone, but I don't like him the way I like Julius. He doesn't... He's not top five guy. I totally agree with that. I wouldn't draft him number three the way I would Julius Thomas. But obviously, I like Clay in Denver more than I like Clay anywhere else because of just opportunity and amount of passes. I still like him if he goes back to Miami. He had some injury stuff this year, but he...

Towards the later half of the year, it seemed like that Tanna Hill Clay connection was finally getting back in check. 60 receptions, right around 60. That's not bad, though. Yeah. No, I know. That's a pretty okay year. That's what you're saying he had? He had 58. What do you think he goes back to Miami? What do you think he has this year playing 16? 70 to 80. 70? Yeah. I'm close with 80. Maybe like 7805, something like that.

Which, I mean... You'll take those for a late tight end. Yeah. So, any other thoughts on Clay? No, I'm actually really excited to talk about the next guy. About Mr. Germain Gresh? I am. I think I'm the only person on the planet that's really excited to talk about... Well, he's a free agent, and it's pretty... Pretty well. Are you excited for Gresham? Are you excited for what happens if he leaves? I'm excited for...

Gresham. I believe that... What? I know, right? That's why I said I'm the only guy. Is there a water bet that we can already do around Jermaine Gresham being productive ever again? Jermaine Gresham is a very good player. His... Yeah, that's true. His catch rate last year? Where do you think he ranks in all the tight ends? Well, he... How many targets did he get? About five? I think six. Oh, no, no, no. I think it was 78.

Actually, that's a lot. Yeah, it was 78. It's right around where Clay is. So where do you think he ranked in catch rate? Well, first, it was 78 because Tyler Eifert was out the entire year. Okay, and catch rate is not affected? So, okay, well, it was just clarifying. I'm guessing it was high compared to Toy Lolo. Well, yeah, I think mine was too. No, it was number one. He was the best and double.

the second best guy. So my point here, and also he had excellent quarterbacks getting home. I was going to say he must be really good if he's got a high catch rate with Andy Dalton. I actually believe he is. And I think that if Jermaine Gresham goes to, say, the Atlanta Falcons, that's a good place for him. I am all on where you're going to get him in the draft. And I think he's going to be a guy where I abandon the tight end in my draft. And I just pick him up late. And I am super happy with it. Wow. I did not expect that take.

I did not expect the Jermaine Gresham take. That's a good take. Because my take is I'm excited if Gresham leaves. Me too. I'm not excited for Ifer. For Eifert. Yeah, me too. You take... You take a guy who can't throw the ball and you give him a tight end. Yeah, you take Gresham's numbers. I actually would increase them because I think Eifert is more of a past catching tight end. Gresham is... He's a great blocker. Yeah, I believe he grades out as the best run blocking tight end in the NFL.

So if you have a guy like that... Actually number 74. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. You can't have a guy who's number one. Can't have a guy like that running routes every single time. You need him to help run block. Yeah. But you get Eifford if he can, if his elbow is okay. Because that was not good. You remember the Eifford elbow? I do not. Him dislocating his elbow? Sounds gross. You should look it up. Yeah, it sounds like he missed some games from that. If you want to vomit.

So, Jermaine Gresham, number one on Jason's board, Tyler Eifert. No, I mean, that's good. You have to have those tight ends. Outside the top three, top four, if you have an inside piece of information, I mean, I like it. I don't know. I think the pass blocking, or the run blocking is going to be the issue there. Niles Paul, he kind of got thrust into relevance when Jordan Reed got hurt last year. I don't know what he is. He had about 500 yards, though.

If he went back there, he'll probably put up the same numbers because Jordan Reed will be hanging out with Jordan Cameron. I was going to say the Bash Bros. Jordan Cameron and Jordan Reed. Yeah, that's, those guys can't last. Yeah, that sucks. It does. It's really a shame because if they're on the field 16 games, they're top five. I mean, they're quality pass catchers from a tight end. They put up numbers. When I watch either one of them in a game, which is very rare,

But when I watch them, it's like they get every ball thrown their way and they're putting up yards and catches. And then I get excited and then they die. Jordan Cameron is actually a tremendous athlete if you look up. So it's Jordan Reed. Yeah. And Jordan Reed gets, when he was in the game, I feel like nobody else in the game was targeted. Were you going to drop some Jordan Cameron stats on us? No, I can pull up the numbers. I just, I don't remember them verbatim off the top of my head. I just know they were, he was a.