Fantasy Football - Mock Draft! Ballers vs Ducers - Podcast for 8/14

Devante Smith with the first pick of the sixth round. That is a great value to me. Again, 10-team league, but that's nice. Breece Hall at 602, but grudgingly selected? Six round is perfectly fine. Joe Burrow? Fifth round's fine, too. George Pickens off the board, Xavier Worthy off the board, Jalen Waddle. Our team, two running backs, two wide outs, and a tight-in so far. We're back on the clock. Certainly wasn't going to be tempted by Waddle with Tyreek already on this team. You've got... wide receiver options, another rookie and Travis Hunter, who's been moving up the board. A player, I think, is Highlander valued right now on Calvin Ridley. The rapport with, you know, on that team, it's great right now with Cam Ward. You have running back options. You know, Joe Mixon's falling in drafts right now with the ambiguity around his situation. RJ Harvey is sitting there. I mean, you literally just named the names that I'm. Oh, those are the ones you wrote down? Those are absolutely those four.

are the names that are the most appealing to me. So, and specifically, in my opinion, it's Travis Hunter versus Joe Mixen. And they're as kind of opposite as, you know, do you want the currently injured super old guy, but who is a stalwart workhorse on a good offense who was awesome last year and should he get it together, talk about solidifying a roster, or the high upside unproven, have no idea how many snaps he's playing on an offense. one of the most elite athletes in the NFL already the number two pick and Travis Hunter. That will be about a round after McMillan. They're going pretty close in Mox. Here's what we'll do, though, is we have a short turn to our next pick. So you're talking about running back versus a wide receiver. Where do you believe right now more depth is in this draft? Because...

It can be less about those two facing off and more about, hey, what's the best available player on the board in the seventh round with the way our team is balanced right now? You know, I see, you know, Mixing Montgomery, Harvey, then I feel like it's sort of a tear drop at that point at running back. Maybe you could put Pacheco in there. You know, Kareem Hunt's banged up. Pacheco's had the number one spot. A wide receiver, I don't feel as cozy with the depth. Beyond Hunter and maybe Ridley. I would agree with that. Now, Ridley is not beloved by everybody. He could very easily come back to us in the seventh, but then everyone we're drafting with is listening to us right now. I thought, Andy, I thought you were more in on Judy. Am I mistaken? Judy has, I've kind of softened a little bit. Okay. I'll feel pretty decent with, the hard part there is it's just like, I like Nojoku as the biggest beneficiary from Joe Flacco.

Small period of time with James Winston, but Tillman is back and healthy. Deontay Johnson's involved. So I just think there's a little bit more room for Judy to be disappointing. Disappointing than I had probably a month ago. I think we need to balance out. Gibbs and Chase Brown are awesome. Tyree Kill and D.K. McCaff are good, but they don't need to be carded. And I think we should get a wide receiver that if he was going to go. grab a six-pack might be carded and some youthful upside. I see what you mean. And Travis Hunter. You want to get carded. Bring our average wide receiver age down. And I would agree with you. I don't like the depth that wide receiver as much as I do. I'm good with Travis Hunter. All right. Let's get that off the board. Let the guys take our analysis and then take the players right behind us, which is one of the fun parts about drafting live to everybody. So we'll take Travis Hunter. So we went the three wide. I think that's good logic there with.

You know, even with Tyreek Hill having a little bit of an injury management situation in this offseason and Metcalf on a new team. After we took Hunter, Joe Mixing did go next, as you might expect. Zay Flowers off the board. I feel like the Zay Flowers world right now is just totally apathetic. It's like, it very much is. You take him because you got to, but nobody's like into it. And this is an explosive player. He's going to be fine. He's had very, he's had great fantasy success in different. periods of time. So Zay Flowers, let me just go confirm something real quick, because you've heard me talk about my ADP study with where I'm a little concerned about JSN, how high he's being drafted of, and that ADP studies essentially players that break out in year two, then where they are drafted the following year, do they return?

the points that they are being drafted for, their ADP expectation, and it's actually a lower hit rate than a lot of other things, especially compared to what you'd think, where a year two guy, this guy should be on a rocket ship, he's going to be fantastic. But that's the problem is they get on an ADP rocket ship and go up, and they return value about half the time. Zay Flowers is in that scenario as well, where he finished as a top 24 for the first time as a year two guy. But his ADP is not being steamed up. So if you're talking about returning value, I think he is the better bet over JSN. But can he actually make a jump into a top 15 type of a player? It's not impossible, but it seems it seems unlikely. Yeah, look, we took Hunter, Mixing went next, and Flowers we just talked about in Montgomery, Egbuka. Aaron Jones goes, my tier of those next.

The best running backs left on the board were mix in Montgomery and RJ Harvey. Calvin Ridley did go at the 703. The Falcon will not be invited to future drafts. We just went three straight wide receivers. RJ Harvey's still on the board. I do want to talk about him for a second just in the fact that like I just recently saw Kay Adams interview with Sean Peyton. You know, she kind of joked about him being fifth on the depth chart because that's kind of like a posturing thing. Also talked about that Joker role and Peyton defined what a Joker is to him. Everyone on his team. It is everyone on the team. No, he said, he said any running back and tight end to have extra special wide receiver skills. So those two positions that don't always, they don't always catch the ball. So it can't be Evan Ingram. He said Evan Ingram was his established Joker. Old is he also said.

previous jokers would have been like Darren Sprouls, right? Somebody that had extra special. He better of. I didn't, I didn't see Graham. Okay. But if you didn't, shame on you. Yeah, I mean, Graham certainly was. But he, then they bring up RJ Harvey. Is he a Joker? And he kind of said, well, he's got those skills. He doesn't have his Joker wings yet. That's the way he put it. His wings? A Joker doesn't have wings, man. Look, he's crossing metaphors. His cap. See, I didn't even, I didn't spend any time thinking about that, guys. It is just the Joker. It's just the Joker. But that's what he said. But RJ Harvey should probably be our pick. So we want to. Seems like we're all in agreement. We're all good there. I would just just, just, I would peek at quarterback. Oh, I peaked last round. Okay. Well, I just for the, for the listeners at home, the big, we'll call him the big five went Allen, Lamar, Daniels, Hertz, Burrow. They're already gone. So you're, you know, it's like my homes, ADP wise. It's Mahomes, Baker, Beau.

Kyler. So I agree. I'm going, I'm not. There's five, you don't need to jump in right now. There's five teams left in this league who don't have a quarterback. And there are more than five quarterbacks that I would be just fine having. So I don't know. Once you're past that big five, I'm not sure I care much to start the next time. Exactly. I wait forever. Whether it's, if you're telling me it's Baker, great. If you're telling me it's Bo Knicks, great. Kyler, okay, DAC, fine. I mean, there's too many guys here for us to pull the trigger early instead of continuing to load up depth where we need it. So we did go with RJ Harvey. So our running backs, Gibbs, Chase Brown, RJ Harvey, our wide outs, Tyree Kiel, D.K. MacKaff, Travis Hunter, with Trey McBride as that guaranteed production at one of the onesie spots. We have four picks left. Stupid owl. And what did you do? He took Caleb Johnson. Okay. Yeah, you, I saw you had added him to our cue. Yeah. I'm impressed that you know how to.

add players to the key. Yeah, it's just the piece of paper icon. It's the one that looks like add to lists. Right. Yeah, I mean, personally, I've got Caleb Johnson ahead of RJ Harvey. There's also a star you could just click, man. But I would love to. There's a lot going on. Just don't click the plus. Just don't click the add button to the team. All right. We'll take a break real quick. I just gave you the rundown and then we'll talk about the picks after Harvey coming into our eighth round right after this. Foot Clan draft day is on the way. You got your rankings. You got those sleepers. You got you can't miss picks. But you know what? You need sometimes a backup because, well, even the best fantasy football team in the world doesn't go according to plan. Sometimes those starters, they don't show up. Wouldn't it be great if you could have the same peace of mind everywhere else. With Progressive, you get more than just a policy. You get a playbook full of coverage options you can count on for your home and for your auto.

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Diggs off the board at 708, Pacheco at 709. So four out of five running backs in a row, and then the port of the next tight end to drop. 10th pick of the seventh round. Brian Robinson, Jr. to start the eighth round, Olave, Pearsall, and Rashi Rice finally off the board. How do you guys feel about that? So the 804 for Rice in a 10 teamer? Well, let's just say it's six games. Right. If it's six games, he's not going to be IR eligible. We are not in a double flex. We're not in a three wide. You probably, you can probably make that pick and feel like the upside's there. I'm okay with it. Yeah, I really like it there. I mean, if you look at the team that drafted him, he's got Puka, Ladd McConkey, and George Pickens already. So you don't need, you can hold off, you can wait for Rice to be available. And then you might end up with, you know, a top 10 wide receiver for the stretch run.

Do you feel similarly about Jordan Addison in this round where he's got a three-game suspension? We know it. He was a highly productive player last year. I don't feel that way because the difference here is that you have a hope and a path. When Rice was there, I think he was the wide receiver three through those first three weeks. You have a hope that he is a superstar, that he is going to be the number one target, the 1,500 yards, 8. to 10 touchdowns with Patrick Mahomes, as far as the pace. Obviously, he won't do that if he misses six games. I don't think you have that hope with Jordan Addison. You're just getting a solid wide receiver two. Waiting games for a solid wide receiver two aren't necessarily worth it when you could just draft someone who could be a wide receiver two solid, wide receiver two that plays week one. That's good logic. Rashi Rice was the 804. Mahomes went next. Got that Mahomes worthy stack.

That's true. Yeah, and that was the next quarterback off the board since the sixth round. Judy finally goes off the board at 806. We're back on the clock. If you look at quarterback, Baker's there, Knicks, Kyler, you know, Purdy, Dak. There's only one team in between us and our next pick without a quarterback. Yeah, so I don't think there's one name that we'd be okay with. Only, you know, if we ended up with Bo Nix, we'd have him with Harvey at some point down the line. So I feel fine waiting there, I assume. Running back, it doesn't look great. Tyrone Tracy will be the starter. He's available. Jalen Warren will have a big role. I'm going to say the name that I'm sure we won't draft as a collective team. But I do think- Are you talking about Jacksonville's RB2? I'm talking about Jacksonville's RB1, their primary pass catcher. Like today in practice or tomorrow? I think Travis ETN is being...

too overblown as as dust. I don't think he is and I know I stand alone here. And I'm not sitting here saying you don't stand alone. You stand there with last year right in front of you and you still believe in him. Yeah, I do. I do. I think that this is a player who didn't even have two. They didn't even have two in last year. He could very easily get 70 targets at the running back position. Would you do like that route having Travis Hunter two picks ago? I don't think he's even saying draft. I'm not saying I would draft him. He's just defending his honor. Right. I mean, if it's, if it's my pick, this is Roma Dunezay here. That would be who I would go with personally. I'm fine with the Dunez. I'm fine with a shot on another rookie and Matthew Golden, who, you know, Dobbs is banged up and Jaden Reed's banged up. Everyone in the Packers is right. People have not talked enough about like, I mean, Golden might have more of an opportunity to be a big time contributor early.

just with some of these other players. I mean, Wicks can't catch. Reed's not available. Dobs is banged up and Watson's out. Yeah, and when Reed comes back, he's not an outside wide receiver. It seems like Matthew Golden is starting week one as an outside wide receiver. I've risen a lot on him. He was not my favorite prospect coming into the NFL draft. I thought it was outrageous to take him in the first round of the NFL draft just as a, you know, as a talent, his production profile is not that good. But when you look at the investment that a team did make in him, and then the opportunity that he has to be on the field, add that to a quality offense and a good quarterback. There's a lot of, like, I'm not going to get stuck up on my, you know, prospect scouting and say, I didn't love the guy, so I can't see how he could score a ton of fantasy points. So would you go at Dunezay, though, who, again, another practice support today.

The Red Zone guy for Caleb Williams. Would you go Adunzee over a Golden Mike? Do you believe in a bigger breakout potential for Adunzee than Golden? I don't. This pick, I think we go a wide receiver here. Between Rome, Matthew Golden, and Josh Downs, though, I think it is an extremely difficult. I would agree. That's team makeup. That's team makeup. That might be an ADP gamble, too, with just like. You know, if you go a Dunezay here and we come back and we want to take Golden at the next pick, or we take, you know. You got to know your league. And I think in this one. The one where we're telling everybody what we want to do. But also the ADP is, we're in the eighth. ADP's out the window. So what would your vote be? My vote would be a slight Adunzee lean over Golden. That would be mine as well. That's fine. All right. So we'll take a Dunezay, add them to the stable of wide receivers that we've got as we try to piece this thing together.

Addison does go next. So he went, the two suspended guys going in the eighth round of a 10 team here. Kelsey off the board, another tight end. Matthew Golden, of course. Now, see, here's the real problem. What's that? I know for a fact that, so Jake took Matthew Golden. Mm-hmm. And there's going to be. There's no chance he takes Matthew Golden. Zero chance. In any draft under the sign. I also don't think Matt takes Josh Downs. This is the biggest Bears fan on the planet. He does not want to watch Matthew Golden whatsoever. Now, yes, that is probably O'Don's a payback, but that's also like he should be muting the TV out in the lobby where he's drafting. So Matthew Golden off the board, Tyler Warren, I love that pick here. I was going to bring up Warren with their next pick just for the thought exercise of like, you know. Don't hate it. If you're super late in the draft, you've got a huge upside tight end. It's a position of power and it's like, could you flex this dude on a certain week if you needed to?

just have the conversation. Yeah, I don't think that's a terrible idea. Now, in this league specifically, we're only drafting 11 players. Really hard to draft two tight ends. For sure. In this format, but in your normal league, I think that that is something you look at, no matter if you took one of the early tight ends, you can still pull the trigger on a Loveland or a Warren if you believe that there is a true break-in breakout potential. So the... Baker Mayfield did go off the board. You know, we talked about looking at quarterback here. So Brooks took his quarterback. At this point, there are two teams other than us that don't have a quarterback. I still think, you know, we like Knicks. We'd be okay with Kyler. We'd be okay with Dak. Mm-hmm. I mean, is there one, is this the position where you want to take Nix to combine him with Harvey's past catching just to get a little bit of like control over your quarterback position? To me, it just depends on is there another player at one running back or wider receiver that we like. There is for me as well. There's one.

personal player there's a running back that mike i know really wants yeah yeah i had to off the air message and because we keep getting destroyed by these people who are listening to us and because i was like i think we we got wide receiver was the correct pick of those three players and it was oh we need a running back to come back to us do you see who it is i see who it is and it was so i did not know that And that is who I was going to say we have to take him. Jordan. Yep. Jordan Mason is the pick. We take him two. You fools. When we didn't say it out loud, you didn't know who to grab. Apparently we got to be all sneaky like. We're trying to help the foot clan here. Jordan Mason, two rounds. Which we did. Two rounds after Aaron Jones. That's the interesting thing. A little more than two rounds behind Aaron Jones. Could be a co-starter situation. And this is one of those, Mike on the tips and tricks yesterday said, you know.

Minnesota is one of those kind of like the starter may or may not be like Aaron Jones is going to come up against the wall. Aaron Jones is going to be turning 31 very soon. And I know, look, I know he got the money, but. Yeah, it's not a disrespect to Aaron Jones. A 31 year old running back breaking down or losing a little bit by game five or so while you have Jordan Mason, who on the ground was awesome last year. I wish he caught passes. Jordan Mason. Not a great pass catcher. And right now, I, you know, I would still take Aaron Jones ahead of Jordan Mason personally because of the past catching. Yeah, I would too. Jordan Mason is, he is going to get a ton of work this year. He will be a weekly startable running back for fantasy football who is in the situation where should Aaron Jones go down, he becomes, you know, a top 10 running back probably.

So we did go Jordan Mason. Scataboo went next. You see a run of some tight ends going. This is one of the things that we're not sitting here worrying about tight end, obviously, because we got McBride in the third. But Hawkinson, Najoku, and Andrews go in the next run here. Bo Nix off the board and DAC off the board. So those two teams that didn't have quarterbacks listening in, making sure we don't have those two guys. One player I never bring up, I know there will be people out there that are happy I mention him for a moment. We've got Jemir Gibbs. We've got an offense as the top five offense. Most of the quarterbacks are off the border with the last one to take one. That's our only available stack at the position would be Jared Goff. We never. No, we have another stack sitting right in front of us, man. Who do we have sitting for us? Trey McBride. Oh, we do have the Kyle. Tyler Murray, Trey McBride is there. I'd rather go Kyler.

Yeah. We never taught, I mean, that disrespect went right back. Look, we never talked off, though. Golf has been one of the most consistent fantasy finishers. He's, I like golf, but I think that it's a little more scary this year with all of the change and the defense being better. Now, do we take Kyler, or do we, since everyone's listening, everybody drafting, do we go with another position and force these? knuckleheads to take Kyla to think about taking Kyler and ruining it for us. Nah, I would just, I would take Tyler because that's what I would actually do right here. I want to stop for one second, though, and so Owl at the 10.05 took Joanne Jennings, who I know he has a calf injury right now, but Joanne Jennings, a world exists where it's not Ricky Pearsall as the wide receiver one for the team. A world exists where Jennings is still that guy, which he,

was the one who had to step up last year with all the absences and injuries, like, are you getting hurt and debowing? So Jennings and the 10th is just such good value. Do you want me to take Kyler, Andy? Are you worried about? I thought I took him. I'm going to. Oh, did we freeze? Are we frozen here? Yeah. It appears. No, we got him. We got him. We're back. We're back. Just refresh. Just refresh. We're good. So I thought I took him. Yeah. You got him. We got him. We got Kyler. So Kyler Murray is on the team. The three of us come together. We end up with the Kyler Murray, Trey McBride stack. In the 10th, it's a value. Okay. So Kyler is off the board. It is. I do love how this team is actually rounding out. I mean, we started top heavy at running back. We've got one of the stud onesies in McBride deep at wide receiver and a mobile rushing quarterback in the 10th. I think that's how you build a...

how you build the roster. So, yeah, I think it's kind of come together nicely. We are the last ones to get a quarterback that puts us with Gibbs, Chase, Brown, Harvey, and Mason at running back. That feels good. That feels very good. Tyreek, Metcalf Hunter, and Adunzei, I think you are looking at, you know, a little bit of risk for all those guys, right? None of those are like risk-free players. And the UDK, they're going to have some risk. But it's a good group. And then Kyla Murray and McBride as your stack. So, you know, Charbonnet goes next, Keenan Allen off the board, Jalen Blue, Naji, Ford, Kraft. You know, one thing that popped into my head. Kraft and the 11th is ridiculous. That's what I was going to say is like, we talked about Dobbs being hurt, no Watson, no, no, Jaden Reed. Like, Kraft is going to be one of the biggest beneficiaries as well. I love Kraft this year. I'll point out a couple names. Okay. You tell me if you like them, you got other options. You can go Chris Godwin.

stash him on IR, that would be another name. McLaren does not have a contract. Debo Samuel, who continues to catch touchdowns in camp over and over again. He's on the board. Jaden Higgins, another young name, wide receiver on the board. Jaden Reed's still out there. If you look at wide receiver. I like all of those names, and I would say that if we look at our team, we don't need a running back. I really like how our running backs are. wide receiver, you could say we could take a high upside case, and I think that's what you would swing the bat for as you're looking for a home run here. So that might be Jaden Higgins over Adibo Samuel over a Cooper Cup. The only other player that I might- Is it a quarterback? Yeah. Is it Jared Goff or is it Justin Fields? No.

Okay. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Keep scrolling. Jordan Lutz. It's Drake May. Keep swiping. It's probably Drake May. It's not Drake May. Nope, not Drake May. No, you got to do like the two finger and you shoot up the whole page. No, not to a. Vincent Testiverty. No, closer. Closer. Drew Breeze. Anthony Richardson. There it is. Hey. No, God, no. First try. No. That's so stupid. Sure. No, no, no, none taken when you call me so stupid. I would go Justin Fields over Richardson if you're going. I mean, I would go 16 other names. Here's why I wouldn't. And let me just make my case here. I am not saying that all the other, like Anthony Richardson right now Justin Herbert's on the board. Jared golf's on the board. Brock Purdy's. Those are all better than Anthony Richardson. We've got Kyler. Even the best Richardson's worse than those guys. The only, the only reason to take a second quarterback here is for the chance that it's like.

It's that guy who's a top three quarterback. You don't believe that. I do believe that. Oh, that's there is no chance. I mean, then other names on this board, Drake May, infinitely better chance to be that special player. Richardson can't be better than that. Jordan Love, been a top five. Justin Fields, he's done it before. Yeah. Richardson is not the pair. You're a wild man. I'm a wild man with my belief in his fantasy ability. We, we, okay. But. I'm not going to debate. I'm not going to debate that. We're too far away. That's just a last pick. Mike, you make the pick and don't pick that guy. If we're going to go quarterback, I would take fields. Looking at the running back position. Giovante's still there. Yeah. If you want to hate yourself. Yeah, not in this format. You've got to aim higher of like, you know, what I've talked about with Tank Bigsby and the coach. His name is escaping me right now.

Liam Cohen, the new Cohen system, like where both Bucky and Rashad White caught a whole bunch of passes. I know tank's not a good pass catcher, but the ball might just be thrown at him a whole bunch, even if he doesn't want it to be. And then at the wide receiver position, it's wild that Jaden Reed might go undrafted in this. Or do you, or the Godwin or Brandon Ayuk stash because of IR. That was like 20 names. Which one are you taking? No, I gave you like five names. So which one are you taking? I would just, who are you going to take, Mike? Let's go. Let's go with Godwin. Okay. Yeah, you get an extra player, right? You get to, you get to throw them on there and then you get another player. And then I'll go to the waiver wire and either pick up fields or Braylon Allen. So did you take Chris Godwin? Oh, you want me to actually do it? No, that's fine. I'll do it. I know how to do that. You know how to. Well, you've always known how to draft them. Yeah. That's never really been the issue.

You've never known how to just like... You just don't know how to not draft. Look at him. Like flirting has been a problem for you. Right. You just go right up and be like, can we go... Love at first time. Will you marry me? Yeah. So Godwin's the pick. Debo, Shakir, Brayman Allen. Oh, Loveland. Kyle. Rashad White, Colson, Loveland. That's who we should have taken. Ray Davis. You think? Yeah. Why is that? You're in a lovelin mood? Because I believe in both Loveland and Tyler Warren and in a 10-teamer at that point. He's taking... It's taking everything in me to not spend the rest of the show talking about how bad I think Anthony Richardson. All right. So our team we ended up with, I think it came, I think it became a very good team. Like it wasn't like Chase Brown was somewhere down in the ADP at that point. So it was going to be, you know, I think if we were staring down a running back choice there, I think we would have come to the Chase Brown conclusion if we went running back. I would agree with that. Because Mike is all about Chase Brown. You obviously believe in him.