Fantasy Football 2017 - Sleepers + Values LIVE from the Great White North

45 for 7009. And make them millions of dollars. Make them millions of dollars. Exactly. And Ted Ginn, if he's proven nothing over his career, and what he showed with Cam Newton, is that he can run. He can run like the win. You've got the most accurate quarterback in football, and you just need a few of these plays. Sam Bradford disagrees. Did you? It doesn't matter if he's pigeonholed.

Yeah, no. I mean, in preseason, you saw his speed. He has not lost the speed. I watched him fly wide open get hit with a great strike and then just drop that ball. Who cares? He's setting up. We're over this. Fair expectation. All right, Jason, go ahead. Okay, I'll give you a sleeper pick. We interrupt this incredibly amazing podcast here. We had breaking news. This is the part of the show where Jason,

launches into an incredibly articulate, incredibly informed, amazing hot take of Cameron Meredith being a sleeper. Unfortunately, since the time of us recording the show, Cameron Meredith has torn his ACL, so we will spare you the contents of having to listen to Jason, and we will get you back to the better part of the podcast. All right, lots more sleepers on the website, ultimate draft kid.com. Big list on there.

Let's go and talk some values. Values. One another time. All right. Why don't you identify a value for the listeners? Okay, so the sleepers are later rounds. There's a lot of Jason going on right now. Yeah, well, I mean, look, we want to make the show great, right? We do want the grammar on point, though. So, Mike, why don't you take this? All right, I'll jump in here first. Andy mentioned this character.

at the beginning of the show, but he would rather have... Wait, are you going to explain what a value is? Yeah, that's what I was kicking what a value is. You had a chance? And you ruined it. All right, listen, North America. I'm tagging you back in, Jay. I'm back in. Okay, so here's what a value is. A value is a guy that you're not saying is a breakout. It's just not a guy that, oh, man, he's going to be a top five, a top ten. But when you're constructing your roster, those first few rounds, a lot of times you have those super high upside...

Guys, those wide receivers running backs that have that talent. And you need to pair them in the middle rounds, in those middle to later rounds with guys who will outperform the place that they are being drafted. That's what you're looking for. You say, okay, he's the running back 39 taken off the board, and I'm pretty confident he's going to finish as the running back 22. That's a huge value, and those type of players plug in the middle of your draft.

they will make a huge difference for getting you to the playoffs and being able to make good start-sit decisions. These are the players you can play the ADP game with. Yes. That you know where they're going in drafts. You have a pulse on how the public feels about this player and they may be unnecessarily down on them. Okay. Do you want to start or do you want to give you mine? I tag you back in, Mike. I'll jump in here. Andy talked about his rising star, the beats, the very earthy beats.

Jonathan Stewart. And I want to bring up, yes, brace yourself. I want to bring up Jeremy Hill. Jason tried to plug his ears, but he heard me anyway. I heard nothing. So, Jeremy Hill of value. Yes, Jeremy Hill, a value being taken near double digits. Yeah, all that being said, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Oh, well, then we are friends again. We've hooked arms. And here's the deal. Talk about a history lesson.

This is what you have to do with the Bengals and Marvin Lewis. You go back a couple years ago. Geo Bernard is a fresh-eyed rookie looking sensational, second round pick. And the whole world is screaming. Free Geo Bernard. Meanwhile, Ben Jarvis Green Ellis is just chugging along, carrying the ball 220 times at a 3.4 yard per carry clip. Yet they still continued to give him the ball.

You go to the next year. They grab another fresh-eyed second round draft pick, Jeremy Hill. And Geo Bernard is clearly, it's evident early that he is outmatched. He should not be an early down back for full-time work. He's massively underperforming. Jeremy Hill is not getting carries. Geo Bernard gets hurt.

Jeremy Hill comes in, and in those three games, rushes 63 times for 361 yards. Absolutely dominant. It's his job, right? Well, no. He's still a rookie. When Geo Bernard comes back, there's a running back controversy. Eventually, Hill wins out after splitting some time. So my point is simply all these people who are ready to give Joe Mixen the starting job for the Cincinnati Bengals, taking him in the third round, just...

Be careful. Those people do not include Marvin Lewis, the head coach. If Joe Mixon is given the starting job and the full-time guy, he will absolutely be worth the third round. But you can't confidently say that. Jeremy Hill has looked better than he has in years. You've said before on the show, this year, you would take Dalvin Cook over Joe Mixon. That is correct, because I know that Dalvin Cook is going to be starting.

I don't know that Joe Mixon is going to be starting. He has the talent to be a top-in running back one. What does Hill offer you at this value? Nearly double-digit touchdowns. I mean, what was it, 9-10-9 or around there? I mean, he's 29 in the last three years. Yeah. So he's been very effective as a goal line back. Marvin Lewis has shown it, and I didn't even bring up Tyler Boyd, who couldn't get on the field last year. He has shown that he makes rookies earn it despite.

It's the person in front of them being very inefficient. So even if Jeremy Hill is inefficient, we still don't know that Joe Mixen will take the job. You take the Pepto Bismol and then you draft Jeremy Hill. You have to do it. You take two? You probably need to. What's the maximum allowable dose? You can drink a whole pepto. I mean, I've done this. I can prove it. I'm asking for a friend. All right, Jason, you want to do yours? You want to? Nope, you're up. You haven't spoken a while.

Is that good or bad? That's bad. I miss your voice of daddy. Look, I want the dad voice. I need the dad. I'm going to go with Andrew Luck as a value, and I didn't think I'd be in the position to say Andrew Luck is a value, but I'm talking, look, his average draft position is plummeting. We're talking splash mountain levels. I mean, he is tumbling. Very nice. He is tumbling down. And I've heard from listeners on Twitter. I mean, he's falling to the 10th and 11th round. Right now is ADP that I'm tracking.

puts him right around the ninth round. A buddy of mine drafting two day just text me and said, what would you say if I drafted Andrew Luck in the 10th round? There you go. I've seen 10th through 13th. It's ridiculous. The world is afraid. The world is afraid of Andrew Luck and I get it. Like he's banged up. He's coming back. So, you know, Cam Newton just had his first game on Thursday coming back from a surgery, coming back from an injury. And the fear of the unknown is driving his stock price way, way down.

But what I want to tell you is that you are not foolish to draft Andrew Luck. You are opportunistic, okay? And there is a difference. You don't just draft every injured player. But you do draft a player who 73% of the time last year was a top 12 quarterback, which was 2% less than Aaron Rogers, second best in the league, who over the last three years, there's not been a better quarterback in terms of more top 12 fantasy performances, even better than Aaron Rogers.

You know what you get with Andrew Luck. And there's a lot of wards, right? You don't like the offensive line injuries, the offensive line play in general. You've got problems, and it's never stopped them from being the most consistent fantasy force over the last three years. And I'm not worried about it. Yeah, maybe he misses game one. Maybe he misses game two. He might want to. He takes Arizona on his first game back potentially. But let's not freak out. This is not injury freak out time. There's plenty of quarterbacks. You can draft somebody.

later in the draft, fill in for a couple of weeks, and you get elite quarterback value for basically nothing. I mean, if you're in the 10th round, you put yourself in the position to have 12, 13 weeks of elite quarterback play, somebody who's proven, unlike Drew Brees, to be pretty much resistant to home road split, resistant to good, bad matchup. We looked at those numbers last year, and so Andrew Luck, to me, I wouldn't have thought he'd be this value, but...

For me, he's the overwhelming value in the draft of the quarterback position. Yeah, I would wholeheartedly agree with that. I mean, a couple of years ago, Andrew Luck was the most common player on fantasy champion rosters because he had that crazy successful fantasy season while he was drafted late. That was before people were all in. If you can grab a guy like that in the ninth round because he's tumbling in drafts,

and then grab Andy Dalton or Phillip Rivers or whoever would be great. Bradford. Yeah, I don't even care. He might still start week one. It's not done. If I lose, you know, three or four weeks, I'm not worried. We talk about late-round quarterback precisely because you don't have to have a great one. You can stream them. And the only reason we don't draft a great one isn't because we don't like great quarterbacks. It's because you have to give up a third-round pick. You have to give up a really valuable...

wide receiver or running back. If I don't have to give up a valuable wide receiver or running back in the eighth, ninth round, and I can get a great quarterback, sign me up. I could not agree anymore. Jason. All right, I'm going to play a game. Should we play the drop? Do we have the drop? I don't have the drop. You want to play a game. I'm sorry, Mitchell. Oh, I do have the drop. Oh, you got to give the people what they want. You better deliver now on the game. Well, here's the game.

The game is called, can I interest you in this player? I'm not going to say his name. What a game name. Are you going to prime time with this? Yes. Yeah. Can I interest you in this player? I stayed up late last night. That's a strong brand. Thinking about the brand. You should see the logo. Did you get the dot com? Well, no, but the dot net is I hear just as good. Okay, so if I say the name, I think you won't be excited. I think you're going to say, well, that doesn't sound like a good value. The guy's going around him, I would take over him, and that's fair.

But I described what a value was earlier, and he is the definition of a value. So let me just say this. He is 30 years old at a wide receiver, which is absolutely fine. That's in your prime. You know, he's a little bit older than A.J. Green at 29, and there are so many. Just in the last 10 years, if you look at the amount of players who have had great...

We're talking like over, you know, 250 fantasy points at age 30. You've got the greats like Moss and Calvin all the way to the Hushman Zadas and Welkers. There are plenty of guys getting it done with. We're talking top performances at age 30. I'm not looking for that top. Did you bypass Jordie? Jordie was injured. Jordy was 31 last year.

Yeah, I mean, he played last year and was old. He would have been a good reference. Oh, you're just going with 30. I was literally saying the exact age 30 season. Jordy didn't play that season. But yeah, my point is 30 is not old for a wide receiver like you might feel like it is for a running back. So he's in his prime, okay? His situation has not changed.

Okay, no clues. No new, yeah, so see if you can figure out who it is. No new wide receivers have come to town to siphon off targets, any, no big changes that are going to impact him poorly. His offensive line has gotten a little bit better. Now last year he was with a new quarterback, so now he gets the second year with that same quarterback. So he is in his prime. He.

has another year with the same quarterback in a better offensive line with continuity and congruity. Here's his finishes. I just shut. I know I say things wrong. Let me live. See? All right. Here's his last three years wide receiver finishes in half point PPR. Three years ago, he was the fifth wide receiver. Two years ago, he was 20th. Last year.

With the new wide receiver, he was 21st. New quarterback. Yeah, we're following along. Thank you. I'm glad you are. I'm not. He was the 21st wide receiver. Oh, I got a hand up. I got a hand up. Shout it out. Who you think? Yeah. Emmanuel Sanders is right. I like how Jason roped in that Peyton Manning year. Well, I realize that. I mean.

I could say forget the year where he was the fifth wide receiver. But the last two years with awful quarterback play, he was the Jonathan Stewart of the wide receiver position. He was the 20th wide receiver and the 21st wide receiver. He's actually a pretty darn consistent receiver. Who do you think of when you want consistency with target volume? It's Jarvis Landry, right? You know, the PPR machine. Here is the comparison of these guys over the last few years when it comes to Emmanuel Sanders versus Jarvis Landry. Okay. If you want to talk about...