Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Breaking News, Training Camp, This-or-That

That's part of the reason that Jordy Nelson has been great for years. And when you are a great work ethic guy, you work through things like tendonitis. You recover past the ACL. The reports coming out about Aaron Rogers, his health, his eating, the fire that he is bringing into this season, man, if Jordy is actually injured, if he can't recover from this, you know, Mrs.

games. I'm going to be so sad because I want to see the Packers on fire with Aaron Rogers coming in with a chip on his shoulder from last year saying, you know, crown me with my belt. Well, you can kind of see. It's exciting in fantasy football when you can see where a team could be. You know, there was news that Eddie Lacey came in essentially, what, 20 pounds under where he was at last year. So he was about 40 pounds overweight still?

Right. No, I mean, what did I say? Last year he came in at 260, which is like 29 pounds over his drafted weight, which is crazy. But he's down 15, 20 pounds. If that news is correct, that's great news for that offense. Just like you said, that being said, you know, it's not a guarantee at this point in time that Nelson is in there for week one. We need to monitor the Jordan Nelson situation. You probably haven't drafted yet, so you get the opportunity to do that. So, uh,

Essentially, that's the news on Jordy Nelson. Keep your eye on it. I don't know if it makes you splits the difference between a couple guys you have similarly ranked. Maybe you stay away from the guy with a little bit of question marks with the injury. Yeah, I get that. Before we go on to the next piece of news. Which is Josh Gordon. Which is Josh Gordon again. We want to tell you about our other sponsor today. Awesome service. That service.

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the fact that people are like, well, how in the world are you drafting, you know, these different players ahead of Josh Gordon right now? I think I have him, you know, as a, I think I'd say take him in the fifth or sixth round. Gordon, I think, gets eased back into this offense after he returns from the suspension. I don't think he's going to hit the ground and, you know, a guy that's missed, I think it's 27 of his last 32 games.

27 of his last 32 games. Jason pointed out on the last show. He wasn't good at the end of 2014. We don't know what was going on there. It's been a long time. I don't think you draft. I think you draft him knowing he has the capability of being an elite wide receiver, but not with the expectation that that's what you're getting in week five of the fantasy football season. Do you agree or do you disagree? Where do you stand on Gordon? I completely agree. I'm further down on Gordon that I think most analysts will be.

The reason is because, look, when you're out of football for almost three years,

That makes a difference. I mean, you see right now he comes back and gets out there and immediately he gets injured. He's out for a couple of weeks right now for an injury because his body is not in game shape. It's impossible taking three years off to be an NFL game shape where you've been spending week in, week out, you know, training with a team and with trainers and all of that. So there's going to be some time to get back. And then you add in the fact we're talking about.

RG3 throwing the ball and possibly probably maybe others during the season. So it's not really the best situation to go to. You have the number one pick in Cory Coleman. That wasn't, I mean, when Josh Gordon had his huge year, there was no one across from. You have Gary Barnage. So now he's one of three options on a team that wants to run the ball that doesn't have the best quarterback to get him the ball, although I will admit, I kind of like the Baylor connection.

Right, RG3 and Josh Gordon played together back in college. So there is upside, and that's what I like. That's why if I'm sitting in the seventh or eighth round and Josh Gordon's still there, I'm willing to take him because he does have that upside. But I don't. That's late, though. Well, I'm taking, I'll tell you right now, I'm taking John Brown over Josh Gordon 100 out of 100 times, and he's going in the seventh round. So I'm not taking Josh Gordon in the sixth round because.

There are people I like better than Josh Gordon. And you can't forget about the four miss games. Because look, we've said this before, but you cannot make, you cannot win the title if you don't make the playoffs. Step one is always make the playoffs. People put the championship ahead of the playoffs, and I think that that's a mistake. And if you're missing four games with, you know, if that's say your third wide receiver drafted or your second wide receiver drafted,

you're going to have a hard four games and you're going to be scraping and clawing to get back. And you do all of that for the hope that when you make the playoffs, Josh Gordon is the 2013 version of Josh Gordon. He could be. I'm willing to take him. I would like to have him stashes my wide receiver four. But I'm not drafting him ahead of that personally. Yeah, I think that's a really good perspective. Let's talk about another sleeper we just added to the ultimate draft kit.

wide receiver Philip Dorset. Oh, yeah. Of the Indianapolis Colts, Andrew Luck got paid this offseason. You've got Dante Moncrief and you have T.Y. Hilton in Indianapolis. Dorset was a high investment for this GM and the leadership of the Colts. They drafted him very high, didn't have a big impact, got hurt, year one. Yeah, he was a much maligned.

draft pick because they needed so much help on the offensive line. The last thing they needed was a wide receiver and they go out and draft a wide receiver. So he's gotten a lot of bad flack. And if you look at his rookie year, pretty much doesn't exist. I don't think he had, I think the last game of the season was the first game where he had more than two targets in a game. So I mean, it's pretty much completely irrelevant. But you look at the changes in the team, right? Once again, you want a player on a good team. And when I say a good team,

What I really mean is a good offense. Yes. I don't necessarily need a good team. I just need a high power offense. Yeah, Jacksonville. Exactly. So the Colts with Andrew Luck in tow, they fit that bill. You heard me say a couple weeks ago, draft the Indianapolis Colts. I think the value of Dwayne Allen, the value of T.Y. Hilton, the value of Dante Moncrief, the value of Philip Dorset, and even Andrew Luck, they're all just a little undervalued. In the case of Philip Dorset, extremely undervalued. Is he like 13th, 14th round right now?

I mean, basically undrafted in normal leagues. Philip Dorset, unless you're in a dynasty league, he's the 174th player off the board in the 13th round going right next to guys like Ted Ginn and Devante Adams. Ted Ginn, you know, with Calvin Benjamin back this last year, Ted Ginn's entire season last year relied on super deep bomb touchdowns that is, you know, those are as unreliable year to year as you can get. It's probably undervalued, though.

You think Ted Ginn is underbelly? The 14th round, I think Ted Ginn's undervalue. Sure. I mean, maybe. I would take Dorset over him. Don't get me wrong. I would take Dorset over again. Because I like the upside. Look, the other piece of this puzzle, I don't know if you were going to get to it. The offense no longer has Kobe Fleener. It's a huge difference. And they've committed themselves to a three-wide receiver-based formation. That's the news that's coming out. You don't have Dwayne Allen and Kobe Fleanor on the field with Moncrief and Hilton. You don't.

You have a three wide receiver set that we're going to see more of. And there's no, look, I know you guys love Moncrief. Fair, fair. I know you do. And I love Hilton. But there's no reason Dorset cannot hypothetically compete with Moncrief on very similar numbers to Moncrief, in my opinion. So what are we saying here? Let's say all three guys are healthy.

Right? Because I... Yes. Well, they are right now. No, I'm saying the whole year. Okay. I'm saying they play 16 games all three. And I do agree. The biggest piece of this news that you just covered is the fact that they're going to a three wide receiver base set, essentially. That was very different than what they did last year with their two tight ends. That means all three are playing. What's the ceiling then for a guy like Dorset? Because he is the third wide receiver on his team, the third option. Very realistic. The ceiling for Dorset is...

I don't know. Probably like John Brown Light. Yeah, I would say John Brown, very light. Yeah, you'd say very light. Maybe like Travis Benjamin from last year? Yeah, maybe. Benjamin was like the only show in town for a while. I understand that he was, but I mean, from a statistical standpoint, I think Dorset could get to that point.

I'm telling you, I think he could compete with Moncrief for fantasy numbers by mid-season. I mean, he's a first round talent in the NFL. He's good. He's on a high-power team. The reality is you draft him with the hope that he has this breakout year and should T.Y. Hilton or Dante Moncrief go down. And keep in mind, Dante Moncrief is right now coming back off of injury. Everything looks good. You know, I think it was a turf toe and all the reports are good. But should that re-aggravate, which turf toes are known to do, well, now you've got the number two wide receiver.

on the Indianapolis Colts catching passes from Andrew Luck with the 174th pick in your draft is pretty good. All right. Chiefs have placed Jamal Charles on the active PUP list. Not unexpected. Andy Reid kind of hinted at this last month, talked about the fact that, you know, he didn't know if he would be cleared for the start of camp. We saw some workout videos with Charles. I'm very, very high on Charles. You talk about a work ethic of Jordy Nelson. Jamal Charles has one of the best in the game. He's never let us down despite injury.

I think he'll be back and I think he'll be used very carefully, but importantly. I think he will be on the field for the important downs. I don't think he'll be overworked. I think you'll see Spencer Ware, Char West, but I love Charles. Charles has never needed 350, 400 touches to be efficient and be a fantasy force. He's always needed a few, and then he makes big plays, especially in the passing game. Yeah, you know, I agree. The problem that I have right now is that,

The entire fantasy football community agrees. You know, a guy coming off of an ACL who is Jamal Charles excites me because usually in years past, you know, you're going to get crazy value for where he's being drafted. Right now, you know, he's being drafted the very top of the second round, which is about where I think he belongs. I would hope, and hopefully him going on the pup kind of lowers his value. I would say tell your friends, tell your family that he's heavily. Yes, that he's heavily injured.

that he is not going to be able to play in training camp because he's so injured. Yeah, wait, hold on. If you want to give him a real quick clip to give their friends and family, let's just give them a pretend newsletter. Sure, yeah, yeah, you could take this. Ready? Set?

Look, I've said it all year, Jamal Charles is not going to be able to come back from injury. It's impossible at his age. He's over 30, which is the cliff for running backs. And now you start going into training camp. Guess where Jamal Charles is? Oh, that's right, the sidelines. Yeah. He's not active. He's on the PUP. This is your expert, expert opinion. Expert opinion. So I'm hitting the red button. Avoid Jamal Charles. Do not draft Jamal Charles. All right, doctor.

It just sounds more. Yeah, we're going to cut that. You give that to your friends and family so we can lower his value. Yeah. Because I don't believe any of that. They think you're a doctor now, too. Oh, I am a doctor. Not a doctor. Not a doctor. All right. Let's talk about Brandon Marshall reporting to Jets training camp. 224 pounds. Jason brought up the fact he saw this clip of him running on the treadmill at 24 miles an hour. But reporting 10 pounds lighter is great. They want Marshall to be able to stretch the field.