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as a team numbers at the end of the year. Alvin Camero will absolutely get the lion's share, but there's so much left over in that offense that I want the running back to. There's not a lot of teams that you can do that, but Latavius Murray will be a weekly streamable, you know, flex position type of guy where he's got a good decent chance at a touchdown. And like you said, Andy, the upside is there. He's not a handcuff at all. He's a standalone player with massive upside.

On our last show, we did the ultimate draft tips, and we were looking at some market share numbers. It was surprising to see how much work Camara got in the tin zone. So it's not like Latavius was walking into a situation where Ingram got every carry inside the tin. They need a goal line back, and it has to be Latavius Murray. So I don't, even though there's a possibility they use them more there because they just...

You know, he's had success there in the past. I don't think it's a guarantee that he's the goal line back. It's just a matter of what Jason said. This is a team that traditionally leads the league in rushing touchdowns, period. What he meant to say was there's a possibility that Alvin Camara rips off a huge run. It gets tired. It gets taken down to the two, and then he's, then he's a little winded, and then they'll send Latavis Murray in. All right.

Let's go on to James White. Patriots running back James White, one of the most owned players on championship teams last year because of where you got him. You got him at a value. Right now, Mike, you are bodying James White. Yes. You've been saying it on the show for a while. Jason and I both have them inside our top 24. You've got him outside your top 40. That's, I'm, I beseech you, Mike. I beseech you.

Get on board with James White. He's going to. No. I don't have any beseeched music. This is not. You need some Jesus Christ Superstar. Oh, this is not going to work for you. No. James White's going to have an excellent year. Yes. No. He will not. I'm going to say he's being drafted at 610 and I will scoop him up like crazy. I think he is being completely overdrafted. I'm going to guess he's a fifth round pick. I will say my ranking of him.

That's just where he landed with the stats that I gave him. I think there is a very reasonable expectation that he outperforms the ranking that I have given him. But with that ranking, I'm saying I am not paying up for you because I agree with you guys. I think he's going to be going in the fifth round, the sixth round, and his situation was literally as perfect as it could possibly get for a complete statistical outlier of a season for James White. Not that he's a bad player.

But he just, everything lined up for him in a very magical way. And that's not going to happen again. Where's he going, Brooks? 604. Too early for me. It's just, it's extreme value for if you're in a PPR league, keep in mind. I mean, if you're not in a PPR league, if you're a standard league, James White is far less valuable. Because make no mistake, he's not a running back. He's a wide receiver for this offense. They use him from the backfield.

As a wide receiver, he could be, you know, I expect him to be north of 100 targets. You know, Julian Edelman and James White are going to dominate. The thing is, it's a pretty far fall from last year, a championship winning season to go from, he finishes the number eight running back last year. So I can bring up my argument again of you. Well, no.

Like you're saying that, you expect him well over 100 targets. He's done that once in his entire career. But the most recent history that we have is that he's a foundational player for Brady, and Brady's there, and the offense is the same, and you only lost Grunk. So why would they go away from what happened last year? Now, maybe he's not number eight because of opportunity, but why would he be outside of the top 25? Because of...

because of how much he was actually used last year due to injuries from Sony Michelle, due to injuries from Rex Burkhead, who those guys are both back. And they added a third round running back in Damien Harris. I just, I do not see a world. But what about when we say we beseech you? What about that? The argument that I will, that I will accept. Because there's always work for all of these players, you know, when you're expecting great things, there's always.

the world where it doesn't work out. And if it doesn't work out for James White, I think it's going to be because of Damien Harris. You know, you saw Rex Burkhead when he was on the field was not as good for James White. That's the argument I would encourage you to stick with for your terrible anti James White. It's part of my his, his career high in targets before last year was 86, which is still just it does man. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't matter when you're 26 years old. And you and you just.

Why would the team go? Do you think that the Patriots are going to the books and going, whoa, wait a second. This year was an outlier. We better go back to whatever he did when he was a younger player and we didn't trust him as much. No, but I think that they have other running backs who are good on the team. I mean, to me, okay, so where we can transition it to where do you feel about Sony Michelle? Are you still as high on Sony Michelle? No, no, no. And my rankings reflect that. Okay. When push came to shove on Sony Michelle. Because they both like.

To me, they both can't be there. No, they're not. If, no, they both can be there because one doesn't one's touchdowns at all. But I mean, so 86 targets or whatever that, you know, that's, that would have been the sixth best last season. I mean, those are great numbers. You don't have to be at 123, you know, to be there. But 86 targets is great. But he also had five rushing touchdowns last year of which he hadn't scored a rushing touchdown since 2015. Like,

That's not happening again. But that's why Jason and I have him at 21 and 24. Right. Not eight. Not eight where he finished. For what it's worth, Sony is one spot behind. So I actually have them back to back. 2425. All right. So we can move on.

We better move on. The Browns combo, Jarvis Landry, David and Joku. Where do you think those guys are going? Jarvis Landry, David and Joku. In Joku, we have as our 10th ranked tight end, mostly on the power of Jason's firm number six. And then Jarvis Landry, I've got him at 30. I don't know what to do with him. You guys have him at 45 and 40. What's crazy about Landry is he actually had a very high.

market share of the offense last year. But then you mix in like a Baker Mayfield that was getting better and advancing and getting more freedom. And even with that market share, Jarvis was. No, he was bad. Was there. No, I know. That's, that's the scary part about the Jarvis argument. Now, I've got to, I should have done this for James White. But Brooks, what format is the ADP? Because Jarvis that, you know, that's, you know, it's always going to make a big difference. ADP and rankings are both half.

Half PPR. Okay. So my thought on average draft position for Jarvis. I have them the highest at 30. I'm guessing that Jarvis Landry is going in the fifth round. I'm going to guess the beginning of the seventh. I'm going to go 701. And where did, where did, where did it? I'm going to split the difference. You're going on six round? Yeah. I'm going to go. Where's, where's the, where's, where's the, where's, where's, where's the way. Oh, five. Why does he's going off the board as the wide receiver 22. So according to all of our rankings, he's pretty overdrafted.

right now yeah i would not i would not touch him there i mean you're going to you've got a player who's not a touchdown machine he has always needed to have volume to be i mean he's great and he's going to be great for the for the browns but from a fantasy standpoint he's not the one he's not even going to be close to the one when it comes to targets he's not going to be oh

It's not going to be like 135 to 125 targets between O'Dell Beckham and Jarvis Landry. O'Dell Beckham is going to be 150 and to 120, 115. And if you're not getting, if you're working close to the line of scrimmage like Jarvis does, you don't get the touchdown. I was actually going to bring that up. His average per reception did go up last year from 8.8 to 12 in Cleveland.

His receptions took a precipitous drop from 112 down to 81 about the same yard. He's not going to be doing that with O'Dell Beckham there. That's, you know what I mean? Like him being the guy down the field, that's, they were using him the way that they're going to use O'Dell Beckham this season. I would imagine a very similar season for Jarvis Landry. Well, one that you were disappointed in because the thing is. 81 for 950 and 4. I mean, that's. He was wide receiver 19 and a half point. So.

He was wide receiver 19 and a half point, but if you look at how he got there, the percentage of good weeks versus bad weeks, I think he had a couple monster games. I'll look that up, but I don't remember people being happy owning Jarvis last year. I think he's interesting, though, because now his draft position right now, it doesn't reflect a discount for Beckham arriving, right? Right. So that's like Jason, you thought he was a seventh round pick and you didn't even sound happy.

Right. I would have been super happy with Jarvis as the seventh round day. I'll consider him in the seventh. You'll give him some consideration. A little bit of excellence. Okay. All right. You guys want to move on to another name? Are we doing in Joku? Oh, that's right. Where did, remind me where Vance was? The ADP was. Seventh round. So he'll be in front of Vance. 7.08 was Vance.

That's exactly what I feel is he should be in front of Vance from the populace. I'll go 705. But he should be right by it. Oh, go 701. Uh, yeah, 610. What is it, Brooks? 712. Oh, wait, hold on. Tighten 10. So he's going behind. He's going after Vance. People are dancing. People are doing the Vance dance. I don't blame him. Look, it's our, it's your fault. I don't blame him.

I don't, you like and joke a lot more. No, not, not. That's what I was going to bring up. It's, it's not really true. I mean, I, I said earlier, my top five that I include Evan Ingraham and O.J. Howard, along with the three names you know in Kittle, Ertz, and Kelsey. The drop between those five and my sixth is nothing. Nothing. No, that, the difference between six and 10 or 12 is nothing. Yeah, that's what I mean. Is Angram your five or is Howard your five?

Ingram is my friend. So it's one of those where, yes, my ordered ranking says I'm high on Injoku. That's if the touchdowns fall his way. I mean, that's really, and that's from. That's what that range is anyway. Exactly. From Enjoku on, it's just take your best shot. Targets wise, Injoku and Jarvis, massive differences between first and second half of the season. Jarvis's first half page, 186 targets. Second half pace, 1010.

In Joku's first half, 120, second half, 74. First half, spreading the ball around. Well, that's the point, right? It's Baker. Tyrod was targeting those players more often. Baker was spreading the ball around more often. So you wonder if the situation in Cleveland is actually very similar to the situation in Pittsburgh, where you have Juju, you've got Beckham, they're your kind of solidified guarantees. But then...

agnostic targets after that from the quarterbacks because Baker likes to spread it around. You've got Calloway. We'll still get a lot of targets. Yeah, but you know, you do have Beckham's going to soak his up. And then you've got Injoku, you've got Jarvis, you've got, you know, Duke, you've got Calloway. I just wonder if predicting that number two, guaranteeing the number two, would you take the same approach with the number two target in Cleveland that you would take?

uh in pittsburgh like you were talking about earlier or do you feel like because jarvis is so no i i feel like jarvis has established himself as more of a target surety than say a dante moncrieff is the exact opposite type of player one is a deep down the field catch a bomb touchdown the other is right across the middle or take a screen and you know get eight or nine yards a reception uh so no i i would still rather have jarvis in that situation just based on jarvis's talent

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