Early Busts & Values + Raisin' the Bar, Best Ball Mistakes - Fantasy Football Podcast for 6/16

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I think it's part of why the show is valuable to people because we are going to, at a minimum, discuss both sides of an argument. Yeah, you can agree with one of us. You can disagree with one of us. We disagree a lot. Now, this was, I don't know, I don't know, an early bust segment where we all agreed. It was, it was pretty, pretty weird to look in the dock and be like, man, I really like, I like your guys's bits. Yeah.

Well, because these are our individual busts. Right. Like where we, for the draft kit, we get together and we have at least two of the three of us agree that this player is a bus. And usually we take great pleasure in this particular show in crapping on someone else that like, Andy loves this guy. And I'm like, oh, this is my chance to shine and show why Andy's being dumb. Yeah, we do. I mean, that's the best.

We do that all the time. So that was just interesting to be on the same page with our individual bus picks. Value time. Values. Okay, value picks. We'll see if we're on the same page with these. I'm thinking, nope, but we'll see. But we'll see. I'm starting with Brandon Cooks. Now, I want you to understand something from the get-go. Brandon Cooks is my value pick here. We might all agree on this one, actually. But. Yeah.

This is going to be very serial intensive discussion. Okay? So you start with, you got General Mills. All right. He is your quarterback. So you're beginning from that place. Oh, I already like where this is going. And Kyle has been, you know, he's really, he's reaching here. But he's calling, you know, Brandon Cooks the Raisin Bran. All right? Because sometimes.

Instead of drafting for upside. Yeah, Brandon. I know. It's not me. It's him. I didn't even get the connection. It's not. It's barely there. It's just one strand. Just wait. Just wait. Just one strand. Oh, it gets worse. Okay. Continue. But listen, instead of drafting for potential upside, sometimes your team needs a little fiber. Okay. You need to stay a little regular. And that's the Brandon Cook's pick in your draft. It's guaranteed production. All right?

It's guaranteed. It's keeping you regular. Okay. Some people need that. Yeah. And look, Raisin brand itself, you stay regular. But it does have a sweet taste to it, right? I mean, I personally, I think you're not in on Raisin Brand. No, I'm not in on Raisin Brand. I've had Cinnamon Toast Crunch, but continue. Cinnamon Toast Crunch does not keep you regular, Jason. I stay regular. In this analogy, I'm choosing to believe that the Houston Texans are the raisins.

because raisins are just, they should be throwing the garbage. Oh, you hate raisins under all circumstances. That is correct. See, I can deal with, I don't want a hot raisin. Don't put it in my cookies. Don't put it in a muffin. Don't put, don't put a hot raisin anywhere. But you cover that thing in chocolate or even yogurt. Actually, I'm not really into that either. Oh. But in my cereal, I'm okay with it. I'm going to put it that way. So you want it like, you want them frosted or I'm chilled by the milk so they can break your teeth and taste bad.

There are some risks. Yes, there are risks with Brandon Cooks. Excellent point. But let me just remind you and myself how good Brandon Cooks has been because this is called the off-season Brandon Cook's discussion. A thousand plus receiving yards in six of seven NFL seasons. A top 20 finish in six of seven seasons. And more mind-blowing than that. If you look at all wide receivers through their age 28 season because Cooks turns 29 in September.

I can't, you better not be lying here, Kyle. You can throw me out of the bus if you want to. More receiving yards through their age 28 season than Jerry Rice, Brandon Cooks has. More receptions than Calvin Johnson through age 28 and the same yards per target as Randy Moss. So, you know, this is, this is raisin brand with some sugar poured over the top like they used to do it. And again, you've got the solid rapport with General Mills now.

where this breaks down is unfortunately Raisin Brand. That's from Kellogg's. Okay. Oh, no. So General Mills didn't make it. So I don't know why you didn't find me a similar brand cereal from General Mills. He makes Oat brand. Oat brand? I don't know if I want any of that. It's got to be just as good as Raisin Brand. But look, I mean, the receivers going around Brandon Cook's in average draft position because this is what value means, right? You explained, Mike, eloquently, what a bust pick truly means. It's, it's,

Are they going to pay off on the draft value? Brandon Cook's draft ADP right now is wide receiver 29 on underdog. It's 31 on Sleeper. What? Like, I just told you he finishes the top 20 fantasy wide receiver in six or seven years. They just gave him the bag. They just paid him. And his draft ADP, players going around him, Juju, Drake London, Amon Rae St. Brown, Darnell Mooney. If you want to go in every week,

as irregular as possible, those might be the picks to make. So Brandon Cooks, like, I've never been as in on Brandon Cooks as I am this year. I picked him up in a dynasty startup recently because he drops a lot in those. But look, it's just, and he has a rapport with, specifically with General Mills, Davis Mills.

that led to more targets than he had previously seen. So I like it. I think he's a value pick at that ADP. Yeah. I dig it. We do have an update here from the Deucers. There is General Mills. They produce something called a raisin nut brand. And from the box art, it looks like a, it just looks like a fake knockoff cereal. Well, no. Is that real? Fiber 1 is also.

General Mills. It is. So, I mean, that's pretty, if you're going for fiber. You got to have brand. No, we want the word brand, Jason. Oh, I forgot about that magical connection. Yeah, it does look like the raisin nut brand while the box art could use an upgrade. They do seemingly cover their raisins with some sort of either sugary substance or yogurt. I'm not sure. Hmm. So you may be in on the raisin nut brand, Jason. Okay. Raisin nut brand and cooks. Got it.

Got it. All right, we can depart from this and move on to Jason's irresponsible value. Oh, how dare you? You were just talking about how this wide receiver is drafted in the 30s and he spent his career finishing in the top 20. Well, let me tell you about the man, the myth, the legend, Kareem the Borgogun Killer Hunt. Okay, Kareem Hunt is good at football.

He has had five seasons in the NFL, three of which he was a top 12 running back. The other two, he only played half the season. And during those stretch, he was basically a top 12 running back. So the first six games last year, Hunt averaged 15.7 fantasy points per game. Okay, that's what he did last year. That's the same as Leonard Fournette, to give you context for how good that was. Through that stretch, he was the running back eight already.

Then he got injured and basically missed the rest of the season. He came back for a minute and got re-injured. And I know it's unfair to take a six-game sample size and say, well, he would have been good over the course of a whole season. Not unfair if he did it in 2020. That's right. That's right. He did play the whole season the year prior. And he was the running back 10 on the season. So.

He was the running back 10 as a Cleveland Brown. Then he was the running back eight got injured. Okay, that, that stinks. Mike, are you picking up a condescending tone right now? Yeah. This is aimed at one man. I'm shocked. Well, first off, like, I had my memory had wiped that he finished as the running back 10 in 2020. I agree with you. Yeah, I forgot about that. Everybody has because he's being drafted as the running back 32. He's in the eighth round. You want to talk a value pick?

If Chub were to get injured, Hunt would be great, even greater. But this is, he's already done it with Chubb. And now the offense, theoretically, gets better with Deshaun Watson. And the only argument that I've heard against Kareem Hunt, outside of a ridiculous, like, oh, he's got a $0 cap, dead cap fee, which, okay, that doesn't make any difference on the field, is that Deshaun doesn't throw to the running back. That crowd.

Deshawn Watson. Is that a crowd? That's a crowd of at least one. That was Kyle's. Oh, no. That was Kyle's argument. It's true. Oh, it is true. Well, let me ask you. Did David Johnson average 2.8 receptions a game with Deshawn Watson? Oh, yes. That same year, did Duke Johnson average 2.4, I'm sorry, 2.5 receptions a game with Deshaun Watson. Yes. Now, when Kareem Hunt was a top 10 running back, did he have more or less than those numbers?

Oh, he only had 2.4 receptions a game. So I think Deshaun Watson could throw the ball the same as he already has done. I rest my case. I, breaking news, Jason is going to be releasing an exclusive cream hunt only podcast. It's going to be called Hunting the Borgogan. Good title. And it's going to be coming out very soon. I'm sponsored by Raisin Nutbrand. But look, the ADP is ridiculous. And what it does, what it does show.

And it makes sense on a psychological level that if you are not the primary number one, like the easy to project number one running back like Nick Chubb is on that offense, and you have an injury short and season in which your fantasy finish isn't printed in, you know, big font, you're going to be more forgotten. That's just what's going to happen. And so Kareem Hunt didn't deliver over the course of his season, not due to his play on the field, but due to injury, limited opportunities.

And so he's going to be more forgotten, period. And then Dearness Johnson's making headlines in the off season by getting a contract. And, you know, Deshawn Watson is the storyline for the Browns. So Kareem Hunt is certainly not being talked about very much. And let's keep it that way. It will be, yeah, the 80 people say that way. Let's keep it that way. Let's just grab him in the eighth round. I don't want to take him in the fourth, fifth round. Now, but if he drops the eight, sure thing.

On that podcast that you'll be releasing soon, will you be selling the ultimate Cream Hunt draft kit? Yeah, but it comes with a T-shirt too. Oh, it does? Oh, absolutely. You've got to represent. Okay, all right. Cream Hunt value pick from Jason. Mike, let's hear your value pick. All right. I want to talk about Van Jefferson of the Los Angeles Rams, who last year finished as the wide receiver 35 and is currently being drafted.