Jay Griz holds down Mike's missing spot
The episode opens as a two-man spoken show because Mike cannot be found and will be away for days; Jason is present and Jay Griz is explicitly said to be holding it down.
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The episode opens as a two-man spoken show because Mike cannot be found and will be away for days; Jason is present and Jay Griz is explicitly said to be holding it down.
Immediately after Jay is named as the substitute, the hosts note that his Bears lacked Justin Fields and joke that the team could still lose without a problem.
The hosts point the Deucer's camera at a nervous booth, invoke the studio's nose-goes rule, and compel Al to improvise a mailbag cue that ends with 'Grizzly.'
Kyle fills Mike's weekly DFS role and vows to produce the first Deucer's Alley Wheel of Shame spin; the hosts establish that Al and Kyle would share the consequence.
The opening explicitly calls this a two-man show, says Mike cannot be found and will be out for a couple of days, then names Jason and Jay Griz as the ones holding things down. Jay's Bears are immediately mocked for being able to lose even without Justin Fields. Later, the hosts point the camera toward nervous Deucer's Alley and invoke 'nose goes,' making Al invent a mailbag cue on demand; his result ends with 'Grizzly.' Because Mike is away, Kyle steps into the show's DFS contest, and a loss would create the first Deucer's Alley Wheel of Shame spin with Al and Kyle going down together.
But a big question I'm sure people are going to have is Devin Singletary. Devin Singletary's been very, very good. He's been on the field a ton. We saw him win people championships down the stretch last year when they moved to 70% snap utilization for him, and he was basically just the dude. If you look since their byweek, 75, 74, 72, 78, those are his snap percentages. He is their main running back on a great offense, but this matchup is awful. Schedule adjusted. defense against running backs, the Patriots are number one in the league. If you just look at just the last six weeks, how have they been recently, they're number two. It's a real shutdown situation here. Obviously, Singletary could catch the passes, but that leads me a little bit more confidence if the Patriots are going to be able to score on the bills, and I think they are. And you can't run on the Patriots.
then that's where I think Gabe Davis, obviously Stefan Diggs is in, but Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie, I have hope that they have good matchups and a good week this week. I think I would be fine kind of sneaking both of them into my lineups. And this is the rare Thursday night football where we talk about you get an advantage when you play a player on Thursday night because you have some more information for how your matchups going. But this is the rare Thursday night football where both teams are getting a full week. This isn't the short week, no practice. I'm banged up from injury. They're both coming off of Thanksgiving. Yeah, the Patriots will not have played in a Sunday in over a month. That's crazy. Yeah. Matt Jones, best game of the year last week. Quarterback seven threw the ball down field. It was nice to see. Ramondre is a wide receiver right now, and Damien Harris is not likely to play in this game. Ramondre is a must start. The last six weeks, bills are 22nd against running backs.
They're the 30th in yards allowed. It's just an opportunity for remandre to be a foundational piece this week. Ramonjo is going to be my start of the week, but I thought there's just no one out there that could possibly not be starting remandre. If he's on your bench, you're making a mistake. Now, Jacoby Myers plans to play in this game, and he would be the... choice at wide receiver? Yes. For some reason, he missed. Would you take a shot on a Devante Parker in a spot start? I would. I think that if Jacoby Myers is out, Devante Parker becomes very necessary for the offense, and you would expect that this is going to be a higher scoring game. Hunter Henry chasing last week. Hunter Henry is not the guy. We talked about him on the waiver wire pickup show. I think he was.
third in my list of tight-in waiver wire pickups ahead of them it's not a great matchup no it's pretty bad actually that's the one area they haven't gotten worse the bill's number three in the last six weeks against tight ends yeah it feels a little bit like chasing little trapy yeah little trappy you know the week prior one target one reception so yeah Yeah, and Johnny Smith's been involved a little bit. He's not like he's the only tight in that could get targets. So, you know, one thing I want to bring up before we leave this match. What would you like to bring up? We've talked, you know, about Green Bay. They drafted Christian Watson ahead of George Pickens and what a mistake and yada yada. You realize that Taekwon Thornton was also like he, like he was drafted ahead of George Pickens. That's, whoops.
Is it? I mean, do we know enough yet? Well, look, I think Tyquan Thornton's a good player. I don't think we know enough about Tyquan to say that he's a mistake or a bad pick in general, but I think we know enough from what we've seen from George Pickens to know that there was a mistake in not drafting him. Yeah, that could be true. It feels a little bit like Thornton might have drawn the short straw in terms of opportunity in year one. with, you know, two quarterbacks, Parker and Myers and two tight ends. And, you know, Pickens is he's the one. Yeah. So, no, I tend to agree. But look at their pickings is Devante Parker in terms of a competitive catch player. Thornton, maybe we get to see that Christian Watson style speed on display more often in the back half of the year. Check out all the rankings on the website if you want to see some start-sit decisions.
with the Thursday night game, The Fantasy Footballers.com. Quick break, back with some mailbag. Yeah, after this year, Nelson Aguilar, and then Bourne will be gone too. Yeah. So hopefully he has an opportunity there. We'll see. It's hard for me to ever have a wide receiver confidence in New England. Yeah, if Tyquan Thornton went to the Chiefs, he was probably a good player. Fair enough. We need a mailbag drop. Oh, who's it going to be? Are you staring down the very nervous, sweaty deucers alley? Oh, I've got this. Let's go to the deuster's cam here. Okay. We have a very important rule around the studio. Yeah, the deusers cam, thank you. And this is kind of how we operate on a lot of things. So, I will just say, nose goes. Oh, Joe. Al Goreland. Mailbag. Mail bag.
Grizzly. Yes. Very nice. Thank you. Oh, how upset were you when you got to the nose last? Pretty upset that I didn't even know what you were talking about. No, that'll. I was more disappointed in not understanding what was going on. You won't forget now. Yeah. You did well. I thought that was pretty good for. Thanks. Yeah. I do add it with gris, but I think I overpowered him. Yeah. Yeah, no, it was not the worst thing we've ever heard. That is 100% true. All right. If you have a question for the show, you can go to the website to Fantasy Footballers.com, click the submit a question button or dial our voicemail hotline at 302464 TFFB. Let's jump in with a voicemail. Hey, ballers. This is Jake from Seattle. I have a QB question. I don't know if I should play Kirk Cousins against the Jets or the QB on the other side, Mike White, against the Vikings. Thanks so much.
Well, I think it's a really good question because I did glance at Kirk Cousins as the start of the week this week. Yeah. The Jets, they're a good defense, but Kirk Cousins with, you know, Adam Thielen and Justin Jefferson and Delvin Cook in a game that I think will be, it has the potential to be a higher scoring affair. The overrunners 45, Minnesota, they are three-point favorites. It plays well at home. You know, I honestly, I feel like. The answer should be Kirk Cousins. So it's very difficult to take someone that you know is a very good quarterback for a long time like Kirk Cousins, who's playing for a good team with great weapons and bench him for a guy who has, what, four starts in his career. You haven't really seen him. And last week he had a pretty good matchup. But I think the answer here is actually Mike White.
Because you look at the Jets defense on the season, schedule adjusted, they are the third most difficult matchup for quarterbacks. Their defense has just been absolutely rolling. And I think the weapons that Mike White has with Garrett Wilson and Elijah Moore, Corey Davis, even Tyler Conklin, like, I think that he's going to do more than Kirk does. I just want to remind people Mike White burst onto the scene last year with a three touchdown, 405-yard game and then came back. I guess he got hurt, but then in his next full game, he was 27th at the position. That's the risk you run with that. You know, it's like, it was almost like you last week rolling the dice with Taylor Heineke over a more known commodity in DFS where you like the situation, you like the matchup, but, you know, you weren't, you didn't have the assurances that you would have with.
starting a Herbert or a Lamar. Yeah, the floor is certainly lowest, I believe, on. It's lava. The floor is lava with Mike White, and you want to avoid that floor. So I completely understand. And it's not like his ceiling is that much higher than Kirk Cousins. Yeah, I don't think it is higher. They might have the same ceiling. So by that, if you just go, well, one's got a lower floor, they got the same ceiling, go with the other guy. But I think probable outcome is a little bit higher with Mike White. Kurt Cousins on the season is the quarterback 13. He showed you a, well, that Dallas game was really, really not. They should have counted that in his game log. Yeah. But quarterback 7, 11, 16, and 9 the other four weeks should be a fun game. I hope we see what we want to see in that one. I think we will because you have two teams playing for everything. They're great teams who are trying to maintain their position. I mean, the Jets are.
really want to make the playoffs. They should and could make the playoffs. And here you have Minnesota. What are they like a half game or maybe one game out of the number one seed in the buy week. So this is very important. All right. We have had a lot of questions come in on Instagram and elsewhere on Mr. Mike Evans. Now, Mike Evans, the question here, do I sit him? He's been poopy lately. Plus a bad history against the saint. Mike Evans, nine targets last week, just two catches. Mike Evans hasn't scored a touchdown since week four, which is kind of his thing, right? Like not scoring touchdowns, yeah. No, scoring them, Jason. Not anymore. Not since I traded for him. Last year he was, I did it in Dynasty. So we're riding together on this. 14 touchdowns last year, 13 the year before. Um,
Marshawn Lattermore could be back, which has been the problem. That's the question. The whole history of Mike Evans against the Saints, it's not Mike Evans against the Saints. It's Mike Evans against Marshawn Lattimore. That's Marshawn Lattimore just beats him. He just flat out beats Mike Evans. He's Mike Evans kryptonite. If I knew that he was going to miss, I would be willing to stone cold lock a touchdown guarantee this week for Mike Evans. Okay. So that's an if then, if this, then touchdown. Okay. But, um, so if, if Latimore is out, I think Evans is a lock this week to score, uh, is very, very overdue. If you're looking at Mike Evans versus Zade Jones, I don't think I'm willing to, to, I think I'm going Mike Evans. Yeah. Mike Evans or George Pickens. I think I'm still going Mike Evans. That one's.
I mean. But it's really hard to bench Mike Evans. Mike Evans historically has been an up and down player. It sucks when it comes three weeks in a row. When you have three bad games in a row, you feel like this is the new normal. But Mike Evans has been getting open down the sideline just like he always has. Tom Brady's been overthrowing him. I mean, there were four deep. awesome targets that would have changed Mike Evans' fantasy game last week, and he was just a little off on each one of them. So maybe that is the new normal, and Tom Brady's lost it, and he's overcompensating. But I don't think Mike Evans has lost anything, and it's not like you're benching Chris Godwin because of Tom Brady. So I think you have to just keep rolling with Mike Evans to get the good game. How many games inside the top, let's go 13 this year? For Mike Evans? Yeah.
It's got to be two or three. One. Wow. Yuck. He had that big drop that would have changed one of his weeks. I just like if he doesn't score, he's got three touchdowns on the year and he's only scored in two of the games. And this is a 14 touchdown, 13 touchdown player. You take the touchdowns away from Mike Evans. You don't have Chris Godwin. Like Godwin can exist in a PPR universe independent of touchdowns and make you very, very happy. Yeah. All right, let's go ahead and go to Twitter. What are some defenses we should consider stashing for playoffs if we have already made it? Yeah, yeah. I love this question because this is where I've now shifted my focus. I'm sorry, Andy. You're upset. Our matchup this last week did great things for me and terrible things for you. I don't have the biweek locked up.
But like, I should have the buying week long. The podcasters couldn't see my facial expression. But take that sound and apply whatever facial expression you want. Yeah. So I can tell you that. If I have to listen to you equivocate on things that are guaranteed anymore this year, I'm going to jettison you into outer space. Okay. So Andy says I'm guaranteed for the buy. Act like a man. And walk forward with your chest out. Oh, my chest is out. Into the playoffs. I'm going to get the by week. My team's really good. I'm probably going to win the championship. I love to hear it. This is this is your. This is you building me up. I love it. Thank you. You're supposed to say this. You heard it for Clay. And he thinks I'm going to win the championship and get the buy week. But because I have the buy week. I know week 16. I hope you lose. Oh, of course you do. Have you seen my team? In week 16, I have a waiver claim right now.
On the Titans, I am picking them up already. I've got the Eagles as my normal defense. They've got a great week 17 matchup for the championship and week 15 is irrelevant to me with the bi-week. Otherwise, who are you picking up? I mean, the Chiefs have Denver in the final week of the year. It's delicious. They have Houston the week before or two weeks before. Their defense, it puts a lot of pressure on the quarterback. And so Davis Mills or Kyle Allen and Russell Wilson, I'm targeting people playing Denver, New Orleans, Houston, and the Rams. Those are the targets for me. I don't want to ride the medium to good defense against a, I don't want to be surprised with a potential, like last week is a good example, where like Seattle, they've been pretty good, they're at home and they're playing the Raiders.
But the Raiders have, like, they have explosiveness. They have good players. They have Josh Jacobs and Devante Adams. That's enough in a game to surprise. They ended up being zero points. It wasn't the right. Like in the playoffs, my personality is, 100% is I'm going to play the medium to good defense against a great matchup, not the great defense against a bad matchup. 100%. You just named it exactly right. Houston, Denver, the Rams. Those are the three. I'm going after you mentioned a fourth. I don't remember who it was. New Orleans. Oh, really? You think they're, that bottom of the barrel? Yeah, I mean, they're terrible. Yeah, I mean, they're just, they're terrible. So those three or four matchups are who you're targeting. And focus on week 15 first. I mean, that sounds obvious, but you've got to take it one week at a time. You don't get to week 16 unless you win week 15. Unless you got to no, that's, I mean, that's a super important thing like.
If you have to choose between, you know, sacrificing something for week 16 and 17, do it. Sacrifice it. Go get the win. Figure it out later. On the year, oh, the Colts. Did we mention the Colts? As a team to target. Oh, as a team to play your defense against. Their offense is awful. And then the Bears Without Fields would be another one. The last three weeks, or I'm sorry, the whole year, it's Rams, Colts, Texans as best matchups. The last eight weeks, it's Texans Colts Rams. Same three teams. And then the Broncos. So, you know, Detroit on the road, another one to pay attention to a little more risky, though. Yeah. All right. Let's go ahead and turn to a question from Andrew Bachelor.
Okay, he's having a party. Rankum rest of the season, Deontay, Traillenberg, Zay Jones. I would flip that order. Zay Jones, Traylon, Berks, Deontay Johnson. That's correct. I am 100% fine with that. Looking at Joseph's question here, are you still starting Tony Pollard over Zeke if you have both? I don't know if I am. It's difficult. It is. difficult, but I am starting Pollard over Zieg. Probably, yeah. Probably the rest of the season. This last week. Two weeks in a row that he's been pretty good. Who? Zeke. Oh, I think you could start both. And obviously, Pollard wasn't that good this last week was the running back 39 down week. But he had 18 rushing attempts with Zique active. So, like, that's enough for me. Like, you're not old. Pollard had 18 rushing attempts? Yeah.
Why don't I believe you? I know. I don't believe myself. That's two more than Zeke? I don't believe myself. Someone vet me, but I don't know. You're right. You're right. It's 18 for 60. Zeke had a really good game by way of, man, the fact that you can start both of these guys with confidence. That's the headline. Like, Zeke, four out of his, I mean, his last four games started are top 13. I mean, you're going to, we talked about Zeke on the goal line. We all predicted a touchdown last week for Zeke. It came true. Do you have a Super Bowl pick right now? Who do you think is going to win it? I still have the bills winning it. I'm hoping that their defense gets healthier or I'll have to pivot come playoff time, but I still have the bills winning it because they have done what I think a lot of teams have to do in order to win a championship, which is stair step, ladder, you know, take a step up, get a little further in the playoffs, have a bad beat, get a little further in the playoffs, and then finally take home the ring. Is this you saying you think the Cowboys are going to win it?
For some reason, I just, they're my favorite right now. I've been saying it for a few weeks, but I think, I think that they have what it takes in the playoffs. And, you know, maybe it's Philly. Yeah, the NFC. Maybe it's San Francisco. I mean, those are the three. Those are the three teams. Sorry, Minnesota. Those three teams are the best teams in the NFC to win the championship. All right. CJ wants to know who do you trust more this week, Godwin or Jamar Chase? I trust Godwin. Godwin a lot more. I love Godwin. Did you look at Chase in DFS? Jamar Chase. I didn't. I can't do that. No, I can't either. I just barely glanced at his name and moved on. If this was a GPP, some big tournament, then sure, because maybe people will be scared of him and you know his upside, but we're playing a cash game where we just got to beat two people. I'm not taking the injury risk with Jamar Chase. Speaking of which.
I don't know if the whole producer team even knows this. Oh, yeah. But with Mike out the rest of the week, we have, we've got Kyle stepping forward. Now, he is the resident DFS expert, host of the fantasy footballers DFS pod. So we expect you to come in and win Kyle the Borgogan. What do you have to say about that? I will give you no intel the entire week. You get nothing. Good. I don't need your stupid words. His first question was, do I have to submit a lineup when you guys do? Yeah. He's like, because of course, listen, Fookland, we come up with these lineups on Friday. We would all change these lineups Sunday morning. You should be submitting your lineups if you're playing.
Draft Kings Sunday morning taking advantage of the latest breaking news, the weather that was unexpected or the injuries that happened and getting those cheap guys in, we can't do that because we lock it in on Friday. Kyle's wanting us to lock ours in and him to submit one late Sunday morning. I'm going to do everything I can. to bring our first Deucers Alley wheel of shame spin. Yes. So, come on, Andy. You and I are in it together this week. Yeah, let's do it. I'm so confident in Kyle that I'll spin with him if he loses. Oh, okay. Well, Brooks. Guess who's doing the mailbag drop tomorrow for you have one? I will not. Oh, man. I thought we could get the hope. He's, he knows. He knows that this is. Oh, wow.
So now Al and Kyle the Borgo again will go down together. I love you. Because I don't know if you knew this. Right. Jason. I actually have the perfect lineup this week. Oh, so you, so we have the same one. We probably have the same on. Wow. Because is yours perfect? Mine was perfect when I looked at it. Okay. Which was really good news because at first I made a lineup. I was like, this isn't perfect. Yeah, me too. And then I was like, a couple tweaks? This is perfect. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Is Cadarious Tony dropable? This is an Instagram question from D. Perrier. Nailed it. So I did drop Tony, but I didn't drop him now. I dropped him last week to make room when you've had this many hamstring problems and it's another hamstring issue. Reaggravation seems like you're going to need multiple weeks and more time. Andy Rita said he's day to day and that they will be cautious.
It seems like I think the right move is to drop him in redraft and move on and do what you need to do. Pick up a defense to win a championship. His path was predicated on no juju, no hard men. It was perfect. Banged up MVS. And that would have been the time for him to kind of like carve out a permanent role in this offense. Right now it is, I mean, it's no different than starting. Like when he comes back, Flip a coin, him or Skymore? I mean, that's the problem. Well, and him and Skymore will be splitting. When Cadarius Tony comes back, they are not going to throw him in any kind of snap count situation with his hamstrings that you can start in fantasy football. So that means maybe he's not back this week. Okay, well, then maybe he comes back active the following week. But you cannot play him, and he's not going to do enough in that game to prove that you could play him the following week. So now we're talking three weeks, at least a month before you can.
actually have the confidence to start him in your lineup. So yeah, I think you should drop him. I still absolutely love his upside, love what he could do with this offense. I think he's a great dynasty asset. Now might be a better time to kick the tires on a trade for him because it's not looking as great with his hamstring injury. But no, in redraft, I'm moving on. We did get one more update that I don't know if it was really in question for your fantasy rosters, but Kyle Pitts is officially out for the year, according to Arthur Smith. We can all be hoping and praying for a better, brighter future physically slash fantasy for Kyle Pitts. A couple reminders before the end of the show. Christmas parties are coming. Oh, yeah. We rarely mention it, but I do, you know, you're looking at gifts. You're looking at things to check out.
We've got shirts at shopballers.com, including the draft day as my Christmas shirt. Ooh, that's a classic. Which is a delight. You want to represent some fantasy football fandom at your Christmas party. Dinner butter shirt because, you know, we got Christmas dinners and. Youth is Luth, Pity City. We've got the mug that you can sip your hot chocolate in. Oh, the one I'm using right now. So shopballers.com, if you want to check that out. Well, that's a good sound. That's a real good sound. So all of the shirts and everything over there. You guys wearing any of our shirts? No, no. Gift cards, too, if you want to get one for somebody you love. That's fair. That's fair. Thank you, Hal. You really stifled my trajectory towards an insult for you. Wait, I see your hand over the button, but I want to ask you this final question that I see from Instagram from Zach Zander. Because I love the question. Garrett Wilson or Christian Watson.
rest of season. Gary Wilson. Okay. Same upside. Touchdown-wise, I think. Maybe. Better baseline PPR. Okay. Yeah. Both explosive. Yeah. I mean, Gary Wilson was the higher draft capital guy, right? He was. Quarterback situation. I mean, I lean Wilson. Okay. There you go. Both good. That'll do it. Both good. Very fun. Very fun to have the rookies starting to emerge and trying to figure out which ones you need to, like a handful of these guys have been on my team and then off of my team and that's the worst like tralin berks in the beginning of the year christian watson in the beginning of the year i had those guys on there you just you didn't have bench room to kind of hold them if you were fighting for wins yep yeah and if you're winning you just pick up christian watson and have them on your team head into the bye week you know yeah no big deal no big deal all right that is it for the fantasy footballers podcast back tomorrow football time don't miss it
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