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Live 12 Team Mock + Rankings Renovations

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Live 12 Team Mock + Rankings Renovations

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produces and you're talking him versus sayquan it's very close they're both what i think are the the last remaining true three down guys one of them's on a great team that i have i've projected them they could make some i've projected for a super bowl run the other team i have so mad at you guys what

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All three of us, independent of one another, have projected the Chargers. Months ago, the Chargers were my Saints of this year. Yeah, and then that was my prediction. Now and I feel like you're Zach Ertz and me on the show here. But listen, Melvin, no question, did I receive more, especially in Dallas, then why do you have Melvin Gordon ahead of Ezekiel Aaliyah? That one I can't buy. I know you guys don't buy it. Correct. But the same reasoning exists between the Barclay Gordon decision. It is about the team. I believe they'll be in the red zone more often. I believe they'll be scoring more.

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There'll be more scoring opportunities. I believe they're a better team than Dallas is. I know that Zeke is Dallas. So he'll be there. The production will be there. He'll have monster games. I just wanted to go with the guy in the better team. I understand that. I would still go Zeke if he was there. But back to if Gordon versus Sequin, it's just a team situation. So I like Melvin Gordon more than Barclay. All right. Melvin Gordon is the pick. After Gordon went for net, Barclay, Hopkins, Beckham, and then.

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Karim Hunt rounding out the first round. Julio Jones opens the second round, Alvin Koch, Derek McKinnon, Michael Thomas. And Keenan Allen both look like valuable picks. I feel like the last time we mocked after we just missed out on Keenan in the second round as well. And now we're on the clock. We're on the clock and we have the opportunity to. If Keenan had made it to us, that would have been my pick. But I feel like there's a, there's a break between him and.

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Devante Adams. Now, Brooks, you just traded for Keenan Allen in our Dynasty League. You gave up AJ Green plus to get him. Is that pro-Alan or anti-Green? Both. Okay. For Dynasty. Sure. Yeah, I thought it was a savvy move, Brooks. I thought it was savvy because there's a 20% chance that I have.

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that what we saw from AJ Green last year was indicative of the future for him, and he'll be dropping a tier this year. I still love him. He looks like a value in drafts because, look, he's not even off the board here, six pick of the second round. But there's a 20% chance that he's not the same player. Another savvy move from Brooks was hanging the Keenan Allen signed jersey. Oh, my God. He trades for him and he goes up on the wall. Well done, bro.

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What a coincidence. All right. So, guys, you said if Keenan Allen was here, you would have taken him. But now you look at options at the running back position. You know, you can go with a guy like Devante Freeman. He stands out to me as, hey, let's put Freeman and Gordon together, see what we can do. Rather than going with guys that I think are similarly tiered and available, AJ Green, Mike Evans. Thielen? Is Thielen there for you? Same tier?

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Yeah, I mean, so Devante Adams is still there. It makes me want to go running back because I feel like Freeman and McCaffrey are options. I agree completely. Devonta Freeman would be my pick. I think if you can put a Melvin Gordon and Devonza Freeman, both guys on good offenses who catch the ball, who are goal line backs, you're getting a war course situation. And yes, you're sacrificing a little bit with the wide receiver. But you run out of running backs early.

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in these drafts. And you can get wide receivers late that are still going to be productive, have good weeks. You're not streaming running backs ever off the wire. So I would go free. It comes down to three players for me, Devonta Freeman, Devante Adams, or a guy who's like... And Devonta Foreman. No, he's going to say gronk. Gronk. Right. I just, I want gronk on my team this year. If we were later in the second, you know, near that third pick...

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I would believe we could get like a Jordan Howard maybe. On the way back. On the way back. But as it stands now, I think we're a little too early for him. Gronk has four picks earlier than his ADP if you take him here. As of right now. But if you don't pick him here, you will. I completely agree. I have McCaffrey slightly higher than Freeman. Jason wants Freeman, Mike.

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You want to decide between those two gentlemen? Between Freeman and McCaffrey? Correct. That's Freeman easy for me. All right, Devante Freeman off the board. AJ Green follows up. Devante Adams is gone. Joe Mixing, Jordan Howard, and Rob Grankowski drops all the way to the second to last pick of the second round. Mike Evans and then Aaron Rogers, because Aaron Rogers nestles in at 301 nowadays. Yeah, that's what he does. Doug Baldwin, Tyreek Hill. Christian McCaffrey.

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Real close to coming all the way back, but doesn't do it. LaShawn McCoy at 305 with the inherent risk of not knowing what's going on with the Sean McCoy. I haven't really moved him yet. Josh Gordon at 306, and we're back on the clock. We have Melvin Gordon, Devanta Freeman, and we are assembling now a number of choices. We have Kelsey still on the board. So we bet on the wide receiver. I feel like we took a bet on the wide receiver tier. Of course, Kelsey and Ertz are here. Six of them went off after we took him.

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But remaining, you know, highest in the ADP currently. T.Y. Hilton. But Adam Thielen. Yeah. Stefan Diggs is there. Amari Cooper is there. So Larry Fitzgerald. So there are still this tier of wide receivers in the third round. I think we made the right call. Yeah. If you did it the other way, if you did it the other way, we would have taken A.J. Green, let's say, or Devante Adams. And then we would be drafting someone like a Derek Henry.

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And Derek Henry, maybe he's going to be good. But, you know, we have to project that forward. Or, guys, maybe they'll be good. Whereas Freeman, you're getting a known commodity. And then you follow it up with a known commodity at wide receiver. So I love this. I would personally take Adam Thielen. I'm a huge, full believer in Thielen. I'm hooked. Adam Thielen is the pick. I agree with you.

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Both. I'm not going to jump out of a tight end or anything there. No. Can I point something out of the board? I said this. I'm sorry. We're out of time. Oh, man. No, go ahead. I'll see you at the live show in Philly. Yeah, just ask my question. Please walk off with your ticket. Yes. In hand. You can't keep me out. So I said this early in the off season when these guys were several rounds apart. And I said come draft season, these guys are going to be basically back to back.

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And two picks after we take Adam Thielen, Stefan Diggs, was drafted. It happened last year as well, the same exact trend. And I just want it known that Adam Thielen is the better pick. I mean, by two miles. You believe that the gap is as large as Mike's.

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pants from last year and Mike's pants from this year. Yes, exactly. He's lost a lot of weight doing good of that keto life. I am loving that comparison. Thank you. But, I mean, you know, we talked early, early off-season. Did you take care of that beasting? Yeah, from last year? Early off-season, Andy, you know, in the studio, I talked about, I feel like I want Adam Thielin to be one of my guys this year, but he was a mid-second round guy. And, you know, I feel that way about gronk.

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Sure. And so, you know, it's tough. But now he's dropping to the third, and I feel like he continues to drop. So Thielen and Diggs go two picks of heart. After Thielen went Derek Henry, someone we talked about on the live show in Dallas, Stefan Diggs. And now, gentlemen, I think you notice this. The rookies are starting to rise. Rashad Penny at 310. Travis Kelsey Zackertz finished out the third round. T.Y. Hilton. J. J. J. J. And then Darius Geis, another rookie running back.

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Amari Cooper, Juju Smith, Schuster, who we just talked about. Look, it would have been a tough decision for me at 406 between a player with upside like Amari Cooper and a stalwart like Larry Fitzgerald. Me too. I think suddenly with Cooper off the board and Fitzgerald being my fourth round favorite of late, now we did get another review on iTunes, okay?

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That said, look, I'm sorry, an Apple podcast. They said, hey, look, I love these guys. But they're just too high on Gary Fitzgerald. Gary? Gary Fitzgerald. We're too high on Gary Fitzgerald. Oh, they typoed? They wrote Gary Fitzgerald, Mike. And I don't recommend drafting Gary Fitzgerald. No, I don't think I would have. Other options here, just for context, Deshawn Watson, typically goes around this range.

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Alex Collins, Larry Fitzgerald, Kenyon Drake, Sonny Michelle. I want Larry Fitzgerald is in my top 10 at wide receivers. And I, and you know what? I apologize for nothing. For Jason? Would you mind, uh, Mike, grab the glasses? What? Do I, do I actually need hatebuckers for Larry? Apparently, we do. No, I don't think I do. I don't think I do because.

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Here's the average. This is what Larry is averaging the last three seasons. That would be 108 receptions, over 1,100 yards, and seven touchdowns, averaging over three years. Yeah, getting him in the fourth round. And watching him play, he's not done. No, he's a technician. I mean, when you have a guy. Don't sweat the technique. Look, Jerry Rice played.

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you know, into his 40s. And he was always better than the defensive backs because of his, because he was a technician. Larry is that type of player. He, yeah, early in his career, maybe he'd go up and out muscle guy out, high-pointed guy, do those things. But Larry is going to be absolutely fine. Do you know what I like? He's the auto pick here in the fourth round when we went, when we started running back, running back. Right. You start running back, running back. And then we get to follow that up with 142 targets to Adam Thieland.

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and 161 targets to Larry Fitzgerald. Yes, I accept. The math adds up to over 300 targets for the third and fourth pick in the drone. Hold on. Yep. Math checks out. This is the current favorite, my current favorite mock that we've had so far this off season, just because of how it's flowed. Gordon Freeman, Thielen, Fitzgerald. After Fitz, Deshawn went three picks later. Kenyon Drake, Alshon, Jeffrey, Sonny, Michelle. Ronald Jones, another rookie.

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At the top of the fifth, creeping up. Alan Robinson. That seems like a pretty interesting spot for Alan Robinson. That's fair value. Larry Miller. Larry Miller. I've got Gary and Larry in my head. Jarvis Landry, Mark, Ingram, Brandon Cooks.

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Trying to sell some cars. I might have tried to sell you guys on Brandon Cooks here in the fifth round. Oh, you would have failed. Yeah, that's going to be outvoted. Two to one. Why don't you guys break down the choices here at 507 with our beautiful team? Can we end the draft? Brooks, can we end it early? And just start these four? Okay. At quarterback, it doesn't matter who's on the board. Thank you. Because there are quality running backs and wide receivers. Make sure you use that strategy or draft. At tight end, it also doesn't matter because Rob.

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Rob Gronkowski, Travis, Kelsey, and Zachers are off the board. So we're looking at wide receiver and running back. At wide receiver, you have more stalwart guys like your Golden Tate, or you've got high upside guys like Chris Hogan, Marvin Jones, Sammy Watkins. And then at running back, you've got some, you know, Royce Freeman is a guy who I project to be the lead dog. If he ends up as the lead dog, he's a great value in the fifth. But...

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There's no certainty. Maybe, you know, maybe Devante Booker turns into like knowing how to be a good running back and surprises us all. Also, I love Dionne Lewis at this spot in a half point PPR to go several rounds behind Derek Henry who went 308. There's actually nobody that is leaping off the page stream. Oh, the leap off is for me. Who is it? The leap off is Jason alluded to Devante Booker and the only way.

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that he's taking Royce Freeman's job as if he is actually a succubus. Did you say he's taking Royce Freeman's job? I said the only way. But Royce Freeman's job is currently the backup to Devante Booker. The only way not, I'm talking about the beginning of the season. Correct. The only way that Devante Booker is the starters if he is actually a succubis and can steal the soul and all the power from Royce Freeman.

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You are predicting not only that Royce Freeman will emerge, but he will emerge as the starter to begin this season. He will emerge victorious. I would take Royce Freeman if this was my pick. Jason? I do believe that he will emerge victorious. There is too much risk right here for me. Okay. So what would you? I would draft Greg Olson. I will. A perennial top five tight end. You've skipped a round. No tightens have gone off the board.

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