Top 10 Quarterbacks + Bold Takes, Hype Train

What, Jay, do you think seventh round? Yeah, he's already right now in the sixth round, and that news broke last night. So, I mean, this is a guy that will be going in the seventh, eighth round, and at that point, I'll take him. This injury is, look, you never want to have a broken finger and have to have surgery, but we have, you know, there's history of people who've had this surgery, been back in three weeks to full production. Some reports were saying if the, you know, if it was important games going on right now, he could.

play. I don't like it. I don't like a rookie missing training camp. And definitely, without a shadow of a doubt, Chris Carson starts week one as the primary ball carrier. Whereas before this, I thought, hey, by week one, it'll be 50, 50, or even 60, 40 in favor of Rashad Penny. But, I mean, I loved Rashad Penny coming into the NFL draft. He was my second favorite ahead of Carry On Johnson behind Sequin. And, um,

I have not drafted him at all this year because his value is way too much in the third, fourth round. I believe that you're right. I believe that there will be a window, though, for Rashad Penny's value to be the most extreme. It will be probably in the next week or two. If you're drafting in that time period, before you get positive post-surgery news about him returning potentially being active in week one, that's your window. I agree. And I want to throw this out of this. This is not.

part of our news, but I think it's relevant. I did a live bestball draft, and it's a 10-teamer, so the round there is a little bit of deflation here. But Sony Michelle went in the ninth round. So pay attention to the value of Sony Michelle. He should not be taken off your draft board. You just, you need to look, there's going to be a point in your draft where he presents a huge value of the possible starting money back. Would you go Carson and Penny?

in the seventh and eighth rounds and lock up the backfield in Seattle? Because it's very likely you could do that. I would not. I would not. I would not either. So you would rather have Penny and Duke Johnson than you would Penny and Chris Carson? Yes. Wow. I would not at all. I would, I guess I wouldn't necessarily see it as I have to take two running backs there. So, you know, a seventh round wide receiver looks really good. You know, I don't think Chris Carson holds onto the job.

But I see the argument for what you're saying, Andy, is if you believe that there will be production there to go around, I mean, I don't think any of us look at the Seattle line, the Seattle offense, and say, I want that running game. And that's why I don't want to lock up both of both of them. But if you pass on running back early and you've got a guaranteed starter with upside.

It's a thought. Sure. It's a thought to me at that late in the draft, now that they're both potentially eighth, ninth round. Good values. Yeah, I really need just a little tweak, just a little tweak of something, a little bone bruise to carry on Johnson. Something that's just going to. Look, so many of Michelle, down in the seventh now. Come on, man.

I need some bad publicity. I need some bad publicity. You just said you hope that Carillon Johnson, one of your favorite orange masks, gets a bone bruise. Just a little one. Just a baby guy. Two weeks ago, I brought this up with him. My goodness. I said Jason wants some PED allegations or something against Carion. And he's like, no, I would never think that. He's rising up the ranks too much.

It's very specific. He feels like a bone bruises just enough pain just to drop his ADP without hurting his long-term prognosis. I don't want a hamstring issue here. Those are real. Mercy. All right, let's jump into the hype train. A lot of news lately about wide receiver, John Brown of the Baltimore Ravens, a standout in camp.

John Brown, we've known him around here in Arizona for a long time. He is a great player. He dealt with major injury, recurrence, sickle cell trait, issues of that nature that eventually ran him out of town. They didn't feel like they could reinvest in him in Arizona. But if he's healthy, if he's John Brown of old, he's a great wide receiver. He's a player that put up...

You know, a 20-yard receiver. Yeah, he had a thousand yards, seven touchdowns, and that was in his, I believe, his sophomore season. He was my guy two years ago because, I mean, he is a very, very good football player. The issue, like you said, Andy, it's all been health-related. Now, his sickle cell trait has not gone away, so the, you know, the worries of possible injury exist. But...

I mean, if all the reports are great, you talk about a great best ball pairing to have the strong arm of Joe Flacko, hopefully with the heat of Lamar Jackson kind of pushing him to make throws down the field. I think John Brown could be a very pleasant surprise. I don't think you need to qualify it in best ball. I think John Brown has a better season than Michael Crabtree. Oh. Is that in your article? It is. Because that's hot. I know. People really like Michael Crabtree. I don't. I think John Brown.

We'll have a better season as long as Joe Flack goes under center. So, uh, Kristen Michael. Kristen Michael. What a world. Is still in the news. Received plenty of work with the first team offense in Indianapolis. Mike, there are many out there that don't even understand why you call him the woke one. Because he had an awakening in Seattle. Look, the haters are going to forget when Kristen Michael was a running back one for half of the year.

Because they say he's done nothing. False. He was a running back. This matters, doesn't it? That he's running with the first team offense? It's a running bit on the show of how I tried to support Chris and Michael early on in his career. But yes, this 100% matters. If Marlon Mack is in trouble with his hamstring injury and Robert Turman's going to miss four weeks, the guys that Chris and Michael have to hold off are Naheem Hines, who is not a featured back. No, he's not big enough.

And Jordan Wilkins, who was a late round draft pick. Wilkins is a fine running back. Less experience. He has a long way to go to become the starting running back for a professional NFL team. If you draft tomorrow, Mike, are you drafting Kristen Michael? Yes. Oh, man. Are you drafting him over, Jordan Wilkins? Yes. Based on how things have trended, first preseason game. You have to. I completely agree. I struggle to.

Acknowledge that. What a world. Mike's verified and Kristen Michael's relevant. There is no doubt that when Michael must be a Leo. Because August 1st through August 22nd is Kristen Michael time. I mean, every August, this is when Kristen Michael. Now we're in astrology. Is the Zodiac. This guy. I'm just saying, have you?

Has there ever been a player? By the way, I'm just saying is not an appropriate retort to all of our condemnation of your analysis. I'm just saying, hey. Look, I went to Sedona. I was in the cyclones. I had my gems. It's not quality analysis here. It's pointing out that every single August is the only time Kristen Michael is truly relevant. I saw his face in the sweat lodge.

I threw the steam. I saw he was awake. I had a piece of toast. I put the butter on. Oh, my goodness. Here's some Jaguars hype train news. Corey Grant. We've seen him be electric running back. Undersize kind of third down guy, but they say maybe he'll be used a lot more. Wow, that's really bad. This is what when I read it, it was like, oh, he's got to be used more. And then, quote, maybe a lot more.

The best part was where I read about it was the Daniel Hackett offensive coordinator. It was he won't. I'm paraphrasing here, but essentially it was he won't be dumb enough to not use Corey Grant's again. Right. The keyword again. Corey Grant was an electric player last year and you still didn't get him on the field. We want him on the field. He's a stud. He's not going to be.

fantasy start worthy. Exactly. He's going to take over to Chris Ivory's gone. He's not going to take Chris Ivory's job. I'll bet he does. That makes no sense to me. Chris Ivory is a first and second down take a playoff bruiser. Corey Grant's a third down undersized scatback. Chris Ivory caught a lot of passes. Yeah, that's not how Chris Ivory was used last year. T.J. Eldon's got that role in my opinion. My point here is Corey Grant, I don't believe he will become fantasy relevant unless you're in a really, really deep league.

He could become more of a thorn in third downwork for Fournet than people want to buy into. I believe that wholeheartedly. We've talked a lot about the opportunity that exists from, what did you call these situations, Mike? On our live show, I believe. Yeah, they're gross. Gross situations and how there's value that emerges. The Jags-wide receiver core is one of those gross situations where you didn't know if it's going to be Moncrief or Cole or Westbrook or Lee.

or, you know, or even DJ Shark, right, who thus far has been said is the most impressive receiver at camp. And yet, D.D. Westbrook has been a standout at camp. I do think because we saw D.D. with the high draft capital last year, the good performance in preseason week one, his upside. He's the one I take the shot on now. Sure. It's, do you buy the hype on Dede Westbro? I buy the hype a little bit. It's, it's tough because Marquis Lee was paid.

He was chosen over Alan Robinson to come back and be the leader of their wide receiver core. But D.D. Westbrook is an excellent wide receiver and is going to get a lot of targets. He won't be utilized as the field stretcher. When you have Moncrief, when you have Keel and Cole, that would be not an appropriate use of D.D. Westbrook's skill set. Last year.

He missed a lot of the season to start with a leg injury, came back, and was getting a whole bunch of targets immediately. So I don't mind taking the shot on DD. All right. One more bit of news. Jason, do you agree with that, by the way? Do you buy the hype on Didi Westbrook? I do. I think Deity Westbrook and Keel and Cole are the two wide receivers I care about from the Jax. Marquis Goodwin is, quote, clearly Jimmy Garoppel's favorite target. And I buy the hype on Marquise Goodwin.

who last year was Markey's great win. Yes. You want to know why? It's because when the last time we had Kyle Shanahan involved in a hype train in Atlanta, it was all about how he's always focused on a favorite receiver. It was Pier Garson in Washington. It was all the upside of Julio Jones in Atlanta. If Marquis couldn't is that player and it's not Pier Garson,

Because what are the other options? It's Goodwinner Garson, right? And George Kettle. There's just, there are many. I know that's the narrative for Kyle Shanahan. But why can't we apply it here if we've applied it every other time? Well, we don't. We mention how those guys, how there are times when there's a standout on the team like Andre Johnson and Julio Jones and they command a huge target share. And Pierre Garcin in Washington. Right. But there are plenty of instances in Kyle Shanhan's career where.

That just, it doesn't happen. It's not an every year guaranteed type of thing. But I buy the hype on Marquis great when being a better player than the public has believed he is. San Francisco rewarded him with a decent contract. And it won't shock me if he is the number one. I still like Pierre Garcone, a good deal. But Marquis good one could end up being the number one wide receiver on this team.

Markey's Goodwin is being drafted. Wow. That's what I was about to bring up. Wow. Is that 608? Apparently people are buying the high. Oh my goodness. He's being drafted two rounds ahead of Piergarsome. He's being drafted one spot ahead of Sammy Watkins. Well, I don't buy that. That's the most shocking ADP that I've seen in the last month.

Yeah, I mean, I expected to maybe not find him. It is a... And thought everyone was back in on Garcon. Despite the fact that, you know, the Kyle Shannon, it is actually a little bit of a crowded receiving court with Garsohn, with Goodwin, with Kiddle, with Dante Pettis and Trent Taylor. Yeah, Taylor. And McKinnon. Yeah. He's got to catch some fastest, too. Kind of feels like Goodwin is the McKinnon of the wide receiver world. They believe in him to the degree of paying him more than everybody else believed in him.

Which is like McKinnon. He came through last year. And he's an athletic free. But when, again, when he came through, he was, he was the passing game. Yeah. Like Garsohn was out. George Kittle was dealing with injuries. Carlos Hyde is not an elite pass catching running back. So Goodwin, when he was put as the only guy was the man. Let's see if he can do it, though, when there's other targets around before we jump into our top 10 quarterbacks.