Week 12 Studs & Duds + Catch Child, Monday Punday - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/28

Some reason. This is what Andy Reid has to do. Yeah. So he gets his kicks. Quick break back with the whiteouts. Jason, any thoughts on your hesitancy around Justin Jefferson that we mocked you for? Yeah, he's super good. I mean, we said there's no situation that you ever sit him. And this is why, because he's so freaking good. I was, I was worried about Kirk Cousins and the left tackle situation. But that game. That game was a bonanza. You said so many negative things that you actually had to come back and say, of course, I'm playing Justin Jefferson. Right, because I did not want people to assume, well, those negative things say you should bench him because he's Justin Jefferson. You don't bench him. No, he's super good.

and started the game of the touchdown. Adam Thielen, 10 targets. Yeah, I mean, Adam Thiel and 10 targets 9 for 61 in a touchdown. Mack Jones, I don't know if we talked about him in the studs, but he was unbelievable. Who saw this game being the one to crush the over on Thanksgiving and be the, like, I did not see this as the fantasy offensive outpouring that it was. Garrett Wilson, rookie wide receiver. Two touchdowns. He's been great. Heath Cummings put out a tweet. Four games with Zach Wilson. I'm sorry, without Zach Wilson. He's averaging almost 20 fantasy points per game. And seven with Zach Wilson. He's at eight fantasy points per game. They'll be without Zach Wilson next week. So that'll be a good sign for Garrett Wilson. Alman Rae St. Brown, Chris Godwin, Zay Jones. Zay Jones led the NFL in receiving this week. Zane Jones.

Monster. 14 targets, 11 for 145, Detroit, Tennessee, Dallas coming up. Nice. Yeah. Should have played him. Jay Jones? Yeah. No, I'm tired of myself. I should play. Clearly you didn't have a spot. No, no. I had to play Darius Slayton. Yeah, Zay Jones, the spot start. You can always start at Detroit next week. I think Chris Godwin is the one to me. You can't go away from Chris Godwin. Every single. play feels like it was going to Chris Godwin. Mike Evans can't catch the ball. I mean, I don't know what's going on. They missed on a lot of deep plays. Mike Evans going to get a good target. Yeah, every single. I mean, he had plenty of targets, but they weren't catchable. This will be this. I mean, it's the same story for these guys that has been that way for the whole career. Mike Evans always has had goosey games, right? Where he either has the one catch for two yards in a touchdown or he disappears and then he'll have three touchdowns the next week.

Let's have that circle back. But in the meantime, regardless of whether Evans has a good game or not, Chris Godwin is not going to have bad games going forward. He might not always get in the end zone, but he is just the clear chain mover possession guy that Brady's going to go to. And the targets are short enough where they're very, very reliable. They're not going to hit on 50% of these. They're going to be up at 70% and rocking in all PPR formats. I mean, Mike Evans had nine. targets. And he caught two of them. That's by far the lowest catch percentage of the year. He had 11 targets three games ago where he finished with 40 yards. I mean, his targets to yards ratio over the last three games, he's on pace for 150 targets and 700 total yards. This is why I kind of pushed back against the idea that Brady's Brady this year. He hasn't been Brady this year.

All right. They're not scoring like they used to score. He's still got weapons. He's missing on throws. I'm not used to seeing him miss on. This game was one that they should have had. They should have put it away and they lost it. What's funny is a lot of the deeper targets to Mike Evans, they looked like replays of the previous miss. And they were all long. It was overthrowing, Mike. You know, it wasn't like. Back of the day when Peyton, you know, in his final season, just couldn't get the ball down field. It's like, why are you overthrowing Mike Evans over and over and over? Like I said, Zay Jones 11 for 145, had a two-point conversion. I play Dary Slayton over him, who did get dragged down on the one-inch line on a 40-yard touchdown that would have been nice if it was a little bit further. T. Higgins, nine targets.

Seven for one, 14, and one. He's good. Really large man. Very difficult to defend. Jamar Chase should be back next week. But that doesn't change how I believe about T. Higgins. Christian Watson. Another touchdown. He is. Too explosive to bench. He is so fast. The same thing for Lazard of having nothing until Jordan Love came in. The same was for Christian Watson. It was so strange because they were having success on the ground, the Packers. I suppose that's where the yards were coming from. But it's like you, I looked at halftime and there's just, it's like guys have one catch, zero, two catches. And Aaron Jones kind of had the most. But then Watson got hit on what is the crossing route. And he is, that's, that's why you took, that's why they took him in the second round because no one could catch Christopher Watson. Extreme athleticism. It's hard.

to start a player when you say, how many receptions did he get? Four. How many last week? Four. How many the week before? Four. But it's also hard to bench player when you say, well, what was his fancy finish? Wide receiver two, five, and eight. A top ten wide receiver in back to back to back weeks. His athleticism is outstanding. It's a lot like Beckham's rookie season. A crosser route for Beckham went to the house often. Players took angles on him that they thought were normal angles and then he Tyree killed them up the sideline. You can't bench him right now. DeAndre Hopkins got into the end zone. DeAndre Carter said, hey, I'm Josh Palmer this week and went seven for 73 in a touchdown. And Kenan scored as well. Tighten studs. Hold on. Hold on. We got to at least point out DJ Moore here. DJ Moore put up four for a hundred and a touchdown against the Denver Broncos. Why are you shaking your head?

Because we don't need to. We just ignore DJ more. That'd be the best thing for fantasy players. You have to acknowledge when he has the good game. You have to. I don't have to. Well, the nice thing is he's going on by. Yeah. So. And then he gets Seattle. I mean, I'm proud of him. Good job, DJ. It was the first game with Donald and you have false hopes. Yeah. Congrats. Dalton Schultz, my awesome start of the week. Yeah. One fantasy point in the first half, two touchdowns in the second. Travis Kelsey scored again. Hawkinson scored Injoku with the catch of the year. Oh, my word. That was like... To save the game. I mean, it was a fourth down, right? I mean, it was a fourth down game saving one-handed touchdown. It was like the catch that we just gave Mad Dap for Cole Commet the week prior, except this one was in the end zone for...

a much more important moment in the game. But that was great. And what was really important is if you look at the routes run last week when David and Joku came back, he was still far behind Harrison Bryant. This week completely flipped. He's back to his normal role. So you can have David and Joku starting with full confidence with the sole exception now of there is a quarterback change. And you might say like, oh, well, it should be an upgrade over Kobe Berset. I could easily see Voldemort coming out here and having some stinkers. He has not played real football in, what, like two years? I don't know how long it's been, but that's what it feels like. Yeah, I mean, I'm here for it. And how long was the Dark Wizard banished? He was, he was banished for, he missed a full season, not suspended. And then he was suspended for, um,

what, 10, 11 games, whatever, however many games it is now. And now the Dark Wizard is, he's back, just like the book said. Foster Moreau just made Mike look good at the last moment of the last snap of the game. Had some nasty drops in this one, three for 33 and a touchdown. The. The king of 40 yards, I mean 33. He's right in line with what he normally does. But yeah, he got the touchdown and saved the game for the Raiders. Saved the DFS matchup for me. All right. That was Studs of the Week presented by our friends at Madewell. Don't wait to upgrade your denim game. Seriously, upgrade. Go to madewell.com today and get $20 off your next pair of jeans. Use the code footballers 20. Poopped in his big boy pants.

Well. Oh, man. Oh, what do you do? There's some poopy, poopy, poopy pants. What do you do if you are the dimmer Broncos? Russell Wilson against Carolina. You look for a quarterback in the off season. Where? How? Anywhere. I mean, they don't have picks. And they have all the money locked up into them. They have no choice. There's nothing they can do. I am talking about a. bringing in a backup, a backup level, you know, people bring in a Nick Foles or the Andy Dalton type, there will be someone out there. And I promise you, that person is better than Russell Wilson, that whoever it is, uh, uh, Colt McCoy. You know, I don't know if he's a free agent, but like in anyone, any competent backup quarterback in the NFL, which not all backups are competent, but any competent backup.

would be better than what you're getting from Russell Wilson. He's just outrageously bad. Yeah, but that would be like, that would be like taking Aaron Rogers and benching it for the next three years while you paid him $100 million and then you play Jordan Love over him. I've never seen it. Nobody's ever done that. Nobody has ever, that would be playing. It's going to take some courage. That would be paying, played Jacoby Brissette over Voldemort for the next four years. Nobody has ever sat a hundred million dollar man for Colt McCoy. Yeah. But they need to. It's the contract because there's some guys looking at the list of free agent guys. You could go after the plant man, Tom Brady. But like Jimmy Garoppolo, what's happening with him in the 49ers? They're stuck with Russ. I know. Like the names who are viable, they can't afford to pay them. Watching the game and just really focusing on, I mean, I couldn't believe there's guys wide open. I'm like, Russ, why aren't you throwing? He's holding the ball, holding the ball.

runs backwards, takes a sack. And it's like, the guys were wide open. What is happening? This will 100% fall at the feet of Nathaniel Hackett. They'll replace him this offseason. There will be new hope born into the Denver market. I mean, this was a top six MVP odds quarterback before the year. Dude, like. And they will, the hope will be found in, I mean, the same way that you talk about Cliff. Who, by the way, hashtag firecliff. Yes. Bring in Sean Payton, give him the keys to the castle. Whatever draft pick you got to give up for Sean. Let him do what and make him the GM. Let him do whatever he wants to the organization. The world is your oyster, Sean. You may look like a weird little man on these morning shows, but you can coach a football game.

Where's his neck? Anybody seen his neck? I see it too. I don't want to make fun of the dude, but like I'm so happy to hear you say this because I'm not a suit guy. But like this looks so weird next to everything. It's like everyone looks like a normal person. Mike is just not. He's not in. Something's going on there. But you're an awesome coach. Get in there. Yeah. Come on downtown. You look good on the sidelines, man. Wear yourself a sweater. I don't know what's going on. I'm so happy someone else has seen it. I've never said anything. Is it a shoulder pad? It's a shoulder thing, man. Maybe it's a shoulder pad thing. Is he getting, he's patting the shoulders? Is he getting punked? Dude, these were, these were really in in 1988. I don't know. I don't know what it is. He looks real weird on there, but bring him in.

This is a pro-Shon-Payton podcast. It is. I mean, some of his interviews this off-season or this season while he has not been coaching are the best I've ever seen in my life. He's willing to come to Arizona. Oh, my goodness. There's two teams that he's talked about. Oh, that nothing would make me happier. Um, yeah, they're going into the bye week if you want to, if everyone wants to be the good bye week for, for Cliff. That's fine with me. No, I thought they, they hashed some things out. Well, anyways, the whole point of that giant diatribe was the fact that you look at Kyler and you say, well, it's the head coach's fault. I mean, that's been said a lot. So that will be the, that's the only thing you can tell yourself when you've paid Russell Wilson what you paid him. Yeah, and you can't get out of the contract. You can't get out of the coach. Right. Yep. Running back, Duds, you know, you had Alvin Kamera. Oh, man. The offense is too bad. The offense is too bad to rely on anybody.

We talked about on the playoff primer episode, we talked about both the fact that he has such a good playoff schedule. But then when looking at trades, that the run up to that playoff schedule was so tough and bad. I mean, you've got Tampa Bay coming up. That's terrible. And then the buy week. So, and then this last week against San Francisco, obviously one of the best defenses, if not the best defense in the league. So it's going to be a tough stretch. But if you can make it to the playoffs with Camara. I think he'll be phenomenal once they get there. There were down weeks from big names. Dalvin Cook and Christian McCaffrey. McCaffery was a tough one. Yeah. It costs me big time in a league. 11 for 32 on the ground, 4 for 17 through the air, didn't score. Whatever. You're going to move on and you're going to move forward with McCaffrey. Tony Pollard finally slowed down for him, 18 for 60. He didn't get into the end zone. I think the big one that...

Look, I mean, we said that we wouldn't go away from him yet last week, and we were wrong. You should have. Damian Pierce, five for eight. This offense with Kyle Allen, it was like just a waste. Three plays, and it was either a turnover or a punt. It was the most pathetic offensive performance I've seen in a long, long time. And Damian Pierce just can't do anything. You know, Ian Hartitz. put out the tweet talking about negative six rushing yards before contact on 15 carries. You know, it's hard to lay all of that at Damian Pierce's feet when the offense has Kyle Allen and nothing. Yeah, every single statistic that you saw from the, the Houston Texan side of the ball in that game came in complete and utter garbage time. You know, Nico Collins ended up with a fine PPR performance. All of it came against.

backups when Tua was sitting and then it was like, okay, the Texans can score 15, 16 points at the end of that game, whatever they scored. But that was because the game was over at halftime. I mean, this offense was a putrid. But you're going to have to try to find another option. I mean, Damien Pierce right now. Cleveland, Dallas, Kansas City? No, no, thank you. I mean, Cleveland should be okay. It's just not going to be. It's not going to be. It's very scary. Because of the fact, this game script is what's been hurting them. They get blown out of the water to start the game. And then, I mean, look at Tua. I doubt we'll bring them up in the, in the court. We didn't bring them up in the quarterback duds, but. He had like 300 yards. Yeah, but he had a horrible week. Yeah. I mean, it was like 20 fantasy points against Houston because defensive.

There was one interception that went down to like the five. You eliminate that drive. There was another that was a fumble recovery return for a touchdown. They pulled them in the middle of the third quarter. If you don't participate in the first couple touchdowns against Houston, you're done. Yeah. It's wild how bad a matchup it is for quarterbacks, even though they are not good at stopping the area. But this week. If there's ever a franchise, a team, a crowd that's going to get up for a matchup having Voldemort come to town, maybe Damien Pierce is a little Dumbledore. Maybe this week. Guys, guys, I agree. But I don't think anything would make me happier this weekend. Yes. Then seeing the Texans just vanquish. Yeah, that's good. Spelliamis.

There you go. Antonio Gibson had a horrible, horrible, horrible week. Yes, he did. Wide receivers, the big disappointment, Terry McLaren. Yeah. Four for 48 in this game. Curtis Samuel, zero targets. John Dodson, one target. You know, variance happens at wide receiver. It was Atlanta. And Brian Robinson scored the touchdown. Does someone else, who was the other passing touchdown? Bates. Yeah. What are we doing there? Throw that to Terry. The motel. as I call him. Mike Evans, two for 31. Tyler, avoid. Two for 31 on nine targets. Sorry, personal gripes. Tyler Void, I like that. Tyler, avoid. Oh. Yeah, his time is probably done. You know, what's funny is the splits before this season of Tyler Boyd, when he was missing, either Jamar, Chase, or T. Higgins was great. He had, you know, 75% of his games were basically a wide receiver three or better. And then.

this season, his splits, he was really good. Get ready for when Chase gets back, he'll have a blow. Yeah, I was going to say he was really good this season when the other two guys were on the field and now has been bad with them off. So I don't think it's someone that you can't play, especially Kansas City coming up. Usually the offense is on the other side, end up with a lot of counting points because you've got to keep up. But it doesn't feel good. These are a couple dud games from Boyd. Debo Samuel got banged up in this one, three for 43, came off the field. I think he came back in.

Christian Kirk 4-4-46 on nine targets. It was a Zay Jones game. Juju. This one was... My one fate of the week that did something positive for a fantasy player. You were correct on this one. He was returning from the concussion, and they were using him sparingly. This was not a... Juju was out there the whole entire time and just somehow had a terrible game. No, he was a part-time player. Juju... before going down to injury, 86% of snaps, 88% of snaps, 83% of snaps, got injured a couple weeks ago where he only played 38% of the snaps. This week, he was back on the field, played 38% of the snaps. We, at one point in the game, Mike and I were watching, we were like, is Juju not playing? Like, we hadn't noticed him on the field. We hadn't seen him, and then he got in and was involved. But what do you do going forward? Obviously, you were...

you would expect him to eventually go back to a starter, right? It's a bench situation until he goes out and gives a good fantasy performance for me. Because he's not the type of player like DeAndre Hopkins coming back into your lineup that you, he's integral to the game plan. Like they can build a game plan around MVS, Sky Moore, you know, three different tight ends. To me, this was just like, you know, a different, like even Kelsey after the touchdown. It kind of went away from Kelsey. It was a lot of MVS. The defense was focusing on the tight ends. Me personally, on the road the next two weeks against Cincinnati and Denver, I'm going to wait. If I can get some clarity from the team like this week, Andy Reid could come out and say, you know, we were just being extra cautious. We'll put him back to full time. I would play him then against the Bengals. Because if you're not willing to play him against the Bengals,

against the Broncos, that's a tough play. Then you have the Houston matchup after that, which we've kind of laid out the, there's risky business here. That's three straight weeks that you're going to be nervous to play juju. Yeah, I mean, and that's okay. I mean, I feel like at this point of the year, he's in that category of the like the aforementioned Zay Jones and Darius Slayton where you're like, you're going to play the best matchup. situation for those wide receivers and just let the chips fall. Agreed. Gabe Davis, 4 for 38, not a big day on Thanksgiving. Drake London, 2 for 29. It's the greatest game of his career with Marcus Mariotta. That was super disappointing. The first game without Kyle Pitts, you'd hope that he'd step up and, you know, demand more targets, four targets. Josh Palmer, 5 for 56, underutilized in this one. George Kittle 3 for 26. Tyler Higby. Yeah. Full goose.

Oh boy, Mike. Higby and Joanne Johnson, Goose? Those are like your two loved children. Mike, Higby goes to Seattle. What do you do? Who's the quarterback? It's not going to be Matthew Stapp. Tyler Higby, that was, I kind of talked about him on Sunday Live of with everything that had happened to the team. He was a terrifying start. John Johnson. Do you see him get hit in the face? McVeigh. No, no. Yes, I saw McVeigh. And that was a brutal head. Yeah. That was like you should see a chiropractor. No, I'm talking about Joanne Johnson. Oh, the ball hit him in the face. The ball hit him in the face. I was going to highlight. He would have scored that. He had the nasty should have caught. He had an end zone target. That ball never should have been thrown. Yes. And yet was right on him and it could have been a touchdown. Yeah, there was the defender's hand kind of face guarded him. And he was on track to.

B. Juan Johnson was just nothing but a touchdown on the weekend, and he gave you nothing. Why don't defenders just put their, they always put their hand in between the ball. They should just go up and guard their eyes. You can't see the ball. Yeah. I wanted it to be the first one where the ball gets stuck in the face mask for a touchdown. Unnecessary rough. Yeah. That would have been amazing. Dosson. Necessary roughness. Dawson Knox and Greg Dulcich both were disasters. For Joanne Johnson was a goose. Tassum Hill. What do you make of this? This was the first weekend after the team had said he's going to be more involved. We got to get him back out there. And it was just a complete dud for him as well. The offense had zero points going into the fourth quarter. I mean, this was a disgusting offensive performance against San Francisco, a great defense. You just don't know. It's like, Tastom Hill is the guy that once, if you're playing the game of taking him out and putting them back in.

I mean, who are you taking them out for? You're taking them out for Higby? Taking them out for Joanne Johnson? You're taking them out for Dulcich or Knox? I feel like you're just kind of stuck. They hope they have a better offensive performance. They had zero points entering the fourth quarter because they, in fact, left the game. Did they? With zero points. Oh, they never scored. They did not. That's right because the Camara fumbled on the one centimeter line. Yeah, this is the third week in a row that Taysam Hill has been over 40% of snaps. That has not been translating to fantasy success. Yeah, so he was the one who passed that ball to a lave, Kyle? Yes, sadly. Oh, the NFL needs to fix this. I mean, there's a common sense element to these receptions that needs to change. When you catch the ball, which means securing the ball in a clear and obvious way, and then make moves.

and then go to the ground. And I'm talking about the Hunter Henry play. You had the Friermuth play, or no, sorry, Jesse James play from years ago. Right. The Alave play. You had a brutal. You had several this weekend where it's like you're making it harder NFL on yourself than you need to with trying the letter of the law, this idea that a catch represents. you know, securing the ball and then taking two steps and then going to the ground. Like, I feel like they have to have some kind of rule base. Otherwise, it's all. They keep editing the rule of the catch and they just can't get it right. My problem is, is the whole kind of like intellectual dishonesty of the ground can't cause a fumble ordinarily. The knee going, the knee makes you down. So you secure the ball and your knee goes to the ground. That's your down moment once you know you're secure.

then you go through the end of the catch, or sorry, the end of the tackle. It's just so ambiguous that everybody with your eyeballs knows. And I know you do have to write something down and say, hey, this is how we're going to enforce it. But if all the eyeballs say one thing and your rule says something else, you have to go. And that's why they've had to go to the drawing board on this, what, three, four, five times? It's just a common sense thing where, like, especially that Oliva play, like caught, secured. Put in running formation, knee down, still not a catch. Yep. Let's fix that. Let's fix the toe heel. To heel tap. Get that crap out of it. You know what was so funny about the toe heel is that we had a similar play. Who was it? I can't remember who caught. The touchdown on the sideline where his shin came down. It was Marvin Jones. Was it Marvin? His ankle bone touched down right before his knee hit out and that counted. That was a touch. But if it was his foot.

and his heel had hit out, it would have been a no catch. Why don't you just change it to college rules? Let's get one foot. Let's make it more exciting. I'm good with two feet, but it's like if you touch. Two feet or two toes, Mike? Two toes, different feet. So you can, you want the, you want the heel. Give me two toes one foot. You want the heel. That's just one foot. Heel without foot to count. Yes. So any part of the foot. If your two toes come down and then your heels come down in, but you were clearly in with your toes, that should be a catch to me. But what about the back heel thing? You don't have to finish the step if you're going backwards? I don't think. What do you mean? Yeah, that's the controversy right now is. What Mike's saying is that if you catch it with your toes down and then your heel comes down out of bounds. It should be a catch to me. Mike says it should be a catch. Because if it was the opposite direction and you.