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Marvin, but in general, I agree with what Andy was saying. The targets will be there. The yards will be there. They won't be as high per reception, but he'll still be around 1,000 yards. It's just a matter of how many touchdowns he gets. And I'm happy to draft Marvin Jones based on where I've been seeing him in drafts. He falls to kind of a, and, you know, it's still a little bit too early to know for sure, but he falls to where I want that swing for the fences, guys, because he does get enough attempts.

to where, and deep enough targets where he could, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he gets another nine touchdowns. And if he does, then he's a top 10 wide receiver. Yeah, I think last year you also saw a product of, you know, there are five wide receivers I have ahead of Marvin Jones this year that didn't have the ability to be last year. So I think that's why he finished at nine. Oda Buckin Jr. was hurt. T. Y. Hilton didn't have a quarterback. Amari Cooper is somebody I have ahead of him this year.

Juju, Smith Schuster, and Alan Robinson, who was hurt all year. Those five players, none of them are an indictment on Marvin Jones' ability, but it's kind of like the tight end season we saw a couple years ago with Kelsey. He got to the party because other people lost their invitations. Yes. Thank you, Mike. You understand this so well. I'm there. All right. We're moving on? Yeah. All right. Well. You know who's hooked on a feeling? I am. Jason Moore.

When I saw the completed rankings yesterday, its initial rankings, projections, I was blown away because Jason has Adam Thielen as the number six overall wide receiver. Mike, you've got him at nine. I have him at 11. He's our consensus number eight. And last year he finished number 10. So by the consensus slash Jason's force, he is technically an impress. And before I let Jason...

gush over Adam Thielen. I assume you like Stefan Diggs as well. I do like Stefan. And Andy and I know this because we've checked out the rankings online that you have a thing for Kyle Rudolph, which just leads me back to my really my greater point is this entire off season of saying that Kirk Cousins is going to be overrated for fantasy purposes. Where are you on?

on that statement. Are you sticking by that? So you love Kyle Rudolph. I told you when he finally went. Dalvin Cook and Stefan Diggs. No, you used you still. You had the heels planted in a little bit still. Let me tell you this. Are you, I believe that Kirk Cousins will be on most list. On most list, he'll be a top five quarterback.

Which he is not a top five quarterback for me. So technically he's overrated. All his weapons are top five. He's my number six quarterback. Most people are not going to have Kurt Cousins top five. That's assonine. Well, I can't imagine one person doing it. I really do absolutely love. Do you have him top five? I don't. No, I don't. I don't think we do.

No, you don't. The reality is I think that what Minnesota's offense has is great top to bottom. I think they've got a good enough line right now, an upgraded quarterback. The tight end is, I think, one of the most solid tight ends in the league, very well-rounded. Could smash a can on him. You sure can. Very sturdy. He is. Solid. Luke Cage.

But, you know, Dalvin Cook, I expect to have a good year. Adam Thielen, Stefan Diggs, I like everybody. But I do believe that Adam Thielen's role in that offense and the way he's used a lot of times out of the slot, he is, to me, the far greater fantasy value. I think, you know, if you had to put between drafting Diggs around later or Thielen where he is,

I'm still taking Thielen because of his upside. And Thelan's, you know, his value was not touchdown based. You know what I mean? He was so good last year. Four touchdowns. 1443 targets, 91 receptions, and still only four touchdowns. And that wasn't for a lack of usage. They just didn't click that year. And I think that coming up this coming season.

with a better quarterback, he's going to take a step forward. Every time, there's nobody out there that watches film of Adam Thielen and does not believe that he's a great wide receiver. You go, he's always open, he always catches the ball, he runs great routes, and, you know, I think the office takes a step up. Oh, oh, is the fantasy court's obsession? Is this, I feel like we need to indict Jason. Oh, plaintiffs. Plaintiffs. Jason Moore says,

Kirk Cousins will be in everyone's top five. That's what you're indicting me for? The defendant, Jason Moore, has Kirk Cousins in his top five six-point quarterback. Oh, you switched over to six-point. Yeah, the real scoring format. Okay, well, my point is, well, then I stand correct. How could you indict me for being right? I said he'd be in top five. Now he is. How dare me?

Be consistent. But that would allow, we would have to concede that you're one of the experts by which you talked about. Brooks, can we get a ruling on whether or not. What is, what is he ruling on? Whether you said he would not be in yours. He's in your top five. I was looking at the highest of this group. I was looking at the, the most recognized quarterback scoring, which is four points per passing touchdown where he is number six. Oh my goodness. What is the ruling judge? Guilty.

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Guilty as charged. That's all we asked for in this place. So back back to Adam. Poor Adam Thieland gets disrespectful. Can you give the Viking jersey to Jason now? Adam Thieland gets disrespectful for fantasy football. He's being disrespected on this show right now. I apologize. We have hijacked your segment. But my favorite stat of the off season that.

Players with 19 plus red zone targets, there were 20 players, and only three of them had an under 40% catch rate. One of those was Adam Thielen. Like Jason said, he had only four touchdowns, but the opportunities were there. He had 22 red zone targets. He only caught five of them. So it's, I don't think he's, I don't think he's hit his ceiling. And he has a better quarterback now. So I.

I'm going impressed. I think Minnesota should speak to the fact that having a great defense doesn't nullify your offensive force. I mean, they have one of the best in the league. You still have to score points. You can't just play defense all the time? No, you can't. If you shut your opponents out. Okay. I've never scored. No, it never scored. You still would never win a game. So you stand correct. All right. Kirk Cousins.

Jason is now the official. We'll have to have on our explain yourself episode. Maybe Kirk will show up. Yeah, I have no doubt. All right, Evan Ingram. Let's move to the tight-in position. Regressor and press. Another great question. Last year, the tight-in five, seven hundred, twenty-two yards receiving six touchdowns on 115 targets. The easy narrative is they had no one else. What's the truth, though? You watched those games. Evan Ingram was...

First read on a lot of plays from Eli Manning. No Beckham, no Marshall, no Shepherd for a while. And what do we think that Evan Ingram can do, Mike? I know you've struggled the most with where to put him. He's our consensus six. So I think we've all given him the respect he deserves. I guess that would be continue to impress. And you're talking it's a very small sample size, but the games with Odell Beckham, Evan Engram.

was actually only averaging about half a target fewer per game when O'Dell Beckham was on the field. The fact of the matter is since 1992, there have been two rookie tight ends with over 100 targets, Jeremy Shockey and Evan Engram. Now, having said that, Evan Engram actually graded out pretty poorly. Terrible. As a pass catcher last year, tight ends with over 100 targets.

There were six of them. The second low as catch rate was Grunk at 65.7%, which it's grunk. It's deep passes. That's still a fan fine catch rate. Evan Engram was, get that button ready, because it was 55.7. Oh, that's bad. That's not the 55. No, you don't want that 55. As a tight end, I do not want your catch rate at 55, but he's, he was a first round pick.

They got him out there immediately as... They had to force feed him. It was a lot of pressure on a young guy. I still think he will... I still like him in this area as a top five tied in. I think that the targets are not going to go away. Yeah, I like him a lot, but he is a slight regression for me down to number seven. It's not so much the Odell Beckham... All tightings regress because Kyle Rudolph goes up. Because Kyle Rudolph jumped him. Kyle Rudolph, please be healthy and get healthy. All right.

No, the reality here is that if you look at the New York Giants and what they did last year and what they want to do now after drafting Saquan Barclay, I think the biggest shift we're going to see is the pass-to-rush ratio. Yes, you had injuries to Brandon Marshall and Sterling Shepard and Odell Beckham, and so it was the Evan Ingram show. But last year, you're talking about a 60% pass to 39.4% rush.

That is not happening with Saquan. This is going to be a much more balanced team, which means total passing opportunities will go down. And now you have healthy receivers back. I have him, get this, catching 60% of his passes. Incredible. That's an impress. Still not great. That would be a step up. But the targets are going to go down. So I have a hard time having him as a top five tied in. All right. This one, we're going to have some debate on Regressor and Press, Jimmy Graham, tied in for the Green Bay Packers.

Last year, he was the fourth ranked tight in. The year before, he was the fourth ranked tight end. Jimmy Graham hasn't been able to run in three years. He's still finished at number four. That's where I have them this year. You guys have them much lower, and so I'm going to start this because I know I'm not going to get to finish it. Look, these NFL GMs, they're not fools. They're not trying to pay for old Jimmy Graham.

They're buying current Jimmy Graham. And current Jimmy Graham is still a freak athlete in a goal line monster. Nobody's better in the Redsone than Aaron Rogers. And you've got to distribute Aaron Rogers 30 plus touchdown somewhere. And they're not all going to Devante Adams. I love Jimmy Graham. I think they spent the money because they're going to use him. And I don't have to appropriate thousands of yards to Jimmy Graham for him to be a top five tight in. So I've got him at four. I like him there. I think he's good.

I mean, last year, he had a 520 yards and 57 receptions last year to finish four. Yeah, I mean, that's what you're going to get from Jimmy Graham. I've got him number 10. And I've got him number 10. It surprised me because I gave him nine touchdowns. I've got him with nine touchdowns still finishing only tied to number 10. And that's because Kyle Rudolph. I don't believe that he's going to have the 90 plus.

targets that he had last year when it was basically the Doug Baldwin and Jimmy Graham's show. You've got other weapons. Even with Jordy leaving, you know, Aaron Rogers is, you know, going to be out there with three wide receivers. Randall Cobb's going to get his. Devante Adams going to get his. I don't think the target number will be high enough. Now, the touchdowns will come for Jimmy. He'll have those good games. Great DFS lineup type of guy. But I don't want to have to, I certainly will not be drafting Jimmy Graham to have a boom bust in my lineup every week.

hoping this is the week he gets a touchdown. That's fair. Yeah, and that's why I don't want Jimmy Graham. The price is going to be too much come draft season. He, from 2016 to 2017, he dropped eight receptions and he dropped 400 yards. From 14.2 yards of reception to 9.1, the lowest of his career. For me, watching Jimmy Graham, I know that I'm not a professional scout for the NFL.

I'm not running a team. And so clearly the GM for Green Bay thinks that Jimmy Graham has enough. But I think these guys make plenty of mistakes of thinking a guy still has it when he doesn't. And I think that Jimmy Graham does not have it anymore. He still has a very large body. Six, seven. So the touchdowns could be there. It just feels like your whole argument isn't, it's based on the fact that he used to be something and now he's this something else. So that means no good.

That's how it feels. I mean, that's how it comes across. He used to put up these big numbers, so I'm going to ignore the numbers he's put up the last two years. I mean, he's been number four of the past two years when all your arguments applied. No, two years ago, like I said, he was 14 yards of reception. I mean, he was moving around fine. But last year, you just, you can see it watching him play football. He can, he cannot move like he used to. No, he cannot. He cannot. He cannot run. And then all the arguments, of course, of.