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The terrifying Hype Train returns as a cartoon
The internal camp-highlights channel is renamed the Camp Highlights and Hype Train channel. The hosts say they miss the old drop even though it sounded like an imminent car collision and drew complaints; the published video supplies a visibly safer replacement, a colorful toy train carrying a HYPE sign across the desk.
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The panic alarm becomes a studio blackout
A Chris Godwin update earns the panic alarm, but the cue plunges the desk into near-black red light like a power outage. A Deucers Alley cut reveals three producers while the hosts search for the culprit, narrate Al slowly turning right, and trigger a second visible booth blackout.
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The alarm breaks Al's mic and Kyle saves P90X
When the hosts ask Al for a Tony Horton phrase, his microphone is said to have broken during the panic-alarm incident and Josh is blamed. Kyle then supplies 'Do your best, forget the rest' from off camera and receives two direct thank-yous before the hosts remember the ripped-pants line.
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Mike loves Kenneth Walker's warts all the way to last place
Mike calls 2025 Kenneth Walker's year and last chance, names him Seattle's most confident pick if he stays healthy, and embraces the combination of warts and talent. The desk turns that tolerance into a Ricky Bobby first-or-last identity and imagines a CMC-Walker lineup requiring anonymous donations to both medical staffs.
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Falcon predicts a Super Bowl and hides on camera
The hosts call the last-place 49ers losers and ask Falcon for a reaction. Matt answers 'Future Super Bowl winners,' immediately ducks behind his laptop, and is held in a direct Deucers Alley shot while the hosts point out his red face and order him to sit in his shame.
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The 49ers become the Mike Wright team
San Francisco's Shanahan-era record alternates between six-win collapses and double-digit contenders. The desk calls that all-or-nothing profile 'very Mike Wright' and says the identity makes sense because Christian McCaffrey is there; Mike immediately likes the team.
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Jason and Mike exchange CMC and Kittle train tickets
Al's repeated ten-foot-pole refusal frames the CMC risk, while the hosts call McCaffrey and Bijan Robinson Man of Glass and Man of Steel. Jason then agrees to ride Mike's Christian McCaffrey train if Mike rides his George Kittle train, and Mike confirms McCaffrey as his number-one overall player despite a recent history split between devastation and championships.
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Matt's closing microphone is off too
At the final sign-off, a host asks Matt whether he wants to add anything. The video cuts to the full three-person Deucers Alley row and Matt answers, 'My mic was turned off,' extending the episode's broken-microphone theme before being told to talk louder.
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Episode notes
Direct review of the complete published video shows Andy, Jason, and Mike as the three main-desk hosts. Early in the show, a real colorful cartoon train labeled HYPE rolls across the bottom of the frame while the hosts recall the retired train sound that made drivers feel as if they were about to be T-boned and drew complaints. The first major production event is also real: a requested panic alarm turns the main desk nearly black under deep red light rather than producing the expected flashing effect. The video then cuts to a three-person Deucers Alley row while the hosts investigate. Jeremy is narrated as Al slowly turning toward the right-hand seat; Falcon and Owl are named in the culprit discussion, and the alarm darkens the booth again on the second try. Later, while the desk searches for Tony Horton's P90X phrases, Al's microphone is said to be broken because of the alarm, Josh is blamed for breaking it, and off-camera Kyle supplies 'Do your best, forget the rest.' The camera stays on the hosts during that exchange, so Kyle is voice-only and no additional seat is guessed. Mike's Kenneth Walker loyalty dominates Seattle: this is his last chance, he can ignore Walker's warts, the choice is first place or nothing, and a CMC-Walker pairing would require anonymous donations to both medical staffs. The 49ers segment produces the clearest crew appearance. The desk calls to Falcon; Matt answers 'Future Super Bowl winners,' the video cuts to the left Deucers seat, and he visibly ducks behind his laptop while the hosts keep the camera on his reddening face. The team's boom-or-bust history is then called very Mike Wright, especially because CMC is there. Al's repeated refusal to draft Christian McCaffrey is contrasted with Mike's auto-pick stance; a spoken Man of Steel versus Man of Glass comparison receives praise from the hosts but no literal graphic or costume appears. Jason offers to ride Mike's CMC train if Mike rides his George Kittle train, and Mike confirms McCaffrey as his number-one player before the desk prescribes a therapist for the risk. At the close, the video again shows the full three-person booth when Matt is asked for a final word and answers that his microphone was turned off. The closing transcript's 'Go ahead, Jay' occurs over the unchanged regular-host desk and is ordinary Jason address, not Jay Griz; no Jay image, cardboard bear, fourth host, theme, or sound cue appears.
But then the final week of the season, here he is, 5 for 46 with a score. Then you go look at the playoff run, 5 for 58, 7 for 54, and a score. It was like, should we be just like, should you throw Tyler Higby away for Terrence Ferguson? I would do that for the, it might be a boat argument because Higby is on the last year of a deal as well. So I do think they're planning for the future. I would give it a shot, but. It's not that Higby won't be relevant and definitely could be. I think there's two outcomes. Higby is a player that takes the majority of the snaps and is their tight end. And is irrelevant. And you don't want him for fantasy. So he's irrelevant. Or Ferguson breaks out and is possibly a little bit relevant. That's exactly how I see it. And those numbers about Higby, you know, seven targets in the playoffs. That says to me that this is a team that really wanted a tight end.
but their tight in was injured all season. And then it was like, oh, good, we can go to this position. And then they go into the draft. And if you watch, I was showing you the draft A videos that before they drafted him, like going into day two saying like, this is their target. This is the guy they don't want to miss that McVeigh was talking about. I, you know, I have a plan for him. Like, he can see how he's going to get Ferguson involved. So he's got draft capital and he has the athletic profile. Like he was the guy that.
You know, when we were doing our spreadsheet battling of looking at prospects just through actual data, he really did stand out. So, you know, it could be a final year for Stafford and McVeigh. We never know. McVeigh threatened to leave many times, and Stafford is the second oldest starting quarterback in football. But while they're there, there's a lot of value to be had, and it starts with the wide receivers. Jason, tell me why Devante Adams in a two-year $46 million contract. is not going to play out like Alan Robinson once did going to the Rams. Yeah, well, I mean, obviously, it's funny because that is always the fear now is like the scouting profile. Let me remember how big that contract was. It was pretty large. But I think why it's not going to work out that poorly is because of the film of the end of last year. Devante Adams was crisp, was awesome, was working well, was good for fantasy. And at the same time,
Cooper Cup disappeared. He vanished. He poofed. His every metric went down. His efficiency went down. His targets and, you know, it was like the team went out and said, man, I really wish we had old Cooper Cup. Well, why don't we just basically trade Cooper Cup for Devante Adams? It wasn't a trade like that, but they swapped in Devante Adams. So I think the opportunity, the need for the role because of the beginning part of the year, Puka was great with Cooper Cup, who was great. So I think film of last year is what allows us to not just be afraid of Alan Robinson's deal was three years and $46 million. It's also. Why did you sign Adams to a $46 million contract? You should have changed that number. Like Devante Adams really solid production last year. The, the Allen Robinson was coming off of 12 games played 38 receptions for 410 yards. And the Rams were like, yeah.
And they tricked us all. Just remembered that the Rams did that. And the other people are dumb too. I remember having that Chicago year of Alan Robinson and be like, I will never trust this man again. And the Rams eventually even beat me down. I'm like, okay. They keep saying it's good. It is a perfect example of this time of years. Highlight videos from training camp because Alan Robinson had a, you know, he was all the rave of these one-on-ones and go up and grab that ball with one hand. The gap and draft costs between Pook and Akua, the 109, and Devante Adams at 404. It's always interesting to look at the ride receiver 1 and 1A, 1B situations and what the gap is, whether it was Thielen and Diggs from years ago, Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker, Higgins and Chase, Waddle and Tyreek. I mean, we've had so many of these. That's a pretty big difference.
Devante Adams is, I think we all agree going to be a huge red zone threat. Like if I had to, if I had to bet which of those two guys scores more touchdowns this year, I probably put my money slightly on the Adams side. I would as well. So 109, 404. Totally worth it. What you give up at 109, what you give up at 404. Is there a world where, like, you probably don't want both of these guys? Not on the same team, but I'm fine taking either one. Both will be great. Both will be good. If Matthew Stafford is healthy.
Puka is a great pick in the first round. He is not valued like some of these. I mean, he's a wide receiver five off the board. Yeah, but I'm saying that's totally worth it. He, you know, his, he got injured last year. Can he be your wide receiver one, Andy? A great question. Pooka? Yeah, of course. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I mean, you got to start there with the. Oh, no, easily. Okay. Easily. This is a guy. Your wide receiver won, of course. Yeah, Fuka is your wide receiver one. When he came back from injury because he started last season injured, including a game where he got banged up, played 30% of the snaps. He's on pace for 170 targets, 124 receptions, 1,600 yards. Now the touchdowns have never been there for him. But that's the stat that you look at all the greats at the end of their career and they, you know, some guys had.
usually four, five, six touchdowns, and then they've got a 13 season. His story is unfortunately not always projection based. It's also injuries that people had to deal with last year, and he's been injured historically going back to college and high school. So that's part of the equation with him. I'm just saying, like, do you like the value on Adams enough in the fourth where that would... you know, do you go a Nico Collins at 109 if you were in that spot? So you can feel free. That's the question. Sure. So you don't box yourself into both Rams on the back of a back. I think it's a worthy question. And in order to answer that, what you really need to do is you need to say, well, who would you be taking instead of Puka, which you, you know, Nico or Malik neighbors or someone, would you rather have them? And then, but also who would you be taking instead of Devante Adams? Where he's going, he's going around Mike Evans.
Marvin Harrison, Rushie Rice, which obviously he'll fall when the suspension comes in. So you just say which combination would you prefer, Devante Adams and Malik Neighbors or Mike Evans and Puka? The first one you said. You'd rather the Devonthe Adams said, Nico? Yeah, I think so. Okay. But yeah, look, it'll be interesting to see. I think fantasy players will love to see Puka go out there and play a full season. I think they'd love to see what Stafford can do with these two weapons. You know, it's nobody ever talks about Stafford as a fantasy option, but he should be a streaming option if he has these players. But man, it's been. Kyron. Yeah. Touchdown machine around the goal line for for basically two years. And that's really sacrificed Stafford. He throws the yards. But the touchdowns throw those yards. He picks them up off the ground and grabs them by a yard and chucks it.
The example is, so you had a run here of a month where he's a quarterback 6, 8, 22, 7. And then if you're like, okay, let's go, Matthew Stafford. Take me through the fantasy playoffs. 8.2 points, 6, 9.2. In full games played. Like that is something that can happen. So he is, you better be streaming in the perfect situation. The big story with Kyran to me, it just comes down to lack of efficiency and effectiveness in the passing game and how that separates him tier-wise from some of the other guys. Yeah, that's fine. And explosive plays. Like he is, he's kind of like, you know, he's more like Derek Henry than he has, you know, Gibbs and A-chain, E-chan, obviously. 182 yards on 34 catches. Yeah, P-U. And not a lot of explosive runs, but a touchdown machine. 12 in 2023, 14 in 2024.
ends as the RB6 in both of those years. Are you happy with Kyron as you're running back one? I like Kyron quite a bit. I mean, this is going into. That's not my question. Am I happy with him as my RB1? Ish? I mean, he's on the fringe for me. Yeah, I don't think I'm thrilled. What running back? Is he being drafted as? Running back 11? I have him at 10 right now. I still like where he's being drafted, but I like when he's my running back, too, and I get another running back one. He does feel like just a really high upside RB2. Yeah. Like you don't necessarily win a week with Kyron very often, but he doesn't lose weeks for you. No, he's pretty darn consistent. I mean, our metrics, he's an A inconsistency over his last 17 games. I think a little bit too much has been made of the...
lack of efficiency and breakaway runs last year. Like two years ago, he had it. And it's not like he's some old back that's just trending down. I think the truth is probably between those two seasons. And you know his utilization around the goal line is exceptional. I mean, literally a dominator. He led the NFL in red zone touches with 79. The percentage of teams rush attempts inside the red zone, 74% rushing touchdowns inside the five with 14. that's their game plan and it works. Nice opening season schedule. They do play at home against Houston in week one. Then they go to Tennessee. They got to go travel to Philly in week three, but then back home against Indianapolis and week four, that seems like a two and two, three and one type of start to me. Well, it'll be better than last year. Favored by three in week one. All right, we're going to talk about Seattle. I don't know what to think about this team. That is very fair. They were 10 and 7.
But a really strange 10 and 7. Like, do you, I'm sure you guys remember it being weird last year. Well, they started undefeated, I think. Three and O? Four and O? Here's their record. At home, this team was three and six. Okay. On the road, they were seven and one. Like that, that's weird. In the NFL, that's weird, man. Yeah. It's very weird. And they also no longer have their quarterback. I mean, this was a. In offseason overhaul. They've got their quarterback. They've got the guy they wanted. They also, I think the weirdest thing is to have a new offensive coordinator win 10 games. Yeah. And then be like, I don't want you. It didn't end well. They lost out on their playoff spot. And they did. I don't agree with the statement that they got their quarterback. I think they got a quarterback that they didn't want.
but they had to make, they had to sell that they wanted, because they wanted Gino. They made offers to Gino Smith. Gino Smith did not want to stay. And then they came out and then they said, what's the best thing left? And let's make a good story around Sam Darnold. And that's not to say Sam Darnold can't have equal success in this offense, if not better. It's very possible. Darnold was impressive last year. However, I'm not sure this was the plan. I'm not sure they went into the... into the offseason saying let's get rid of Gino and get Sam Darnel. I completely agree. And, you know, Sam Darnold, this is going to be one of those situations where we find out what the truth is. Because last year, Sam Darnold was a very good quarterback. But he was set up for success with a phenomenal head coach, an offensive-minded head coach, a good offensive line, the best wide receiver in the game.
Then eventually you get Hawkins and you had Addison. It was really, really set up for success. Now he goes to one of the worst offensive lines in the league. And that's always been like Darnold's, you know, seeing ghosts. Yeah, Gino had 50 sacks. He was sacked 50 times. They're ranked 30th by PFF to go into the year to the offensive line point you made. And then you look at their offense and you literally, you almost took out all the major pieces and got rid of them. Like other than JSN staying there. Your past catchers, you know, Lockett, Metcalf, even though a Fant, who's now been released. And then you're a quarterback in Gino Smith and a new, and Clint Kubiak's, your offensive coordinator now. So, you know, you got that defensive mind head coach, but you add Cooper Cup and MVS. Those are downgrades from D.K. McCaff and Tyler Lockett, that combination. You add Sam Darnold, debatable. You draft.
a really good tight end in the second round in Arroyo out of Miami. You draft Jalen Milrow, who, who knows? The contract for Sam Darnold is such that if it doesn't work out in a very tough division, like I don't know where you guys have Seattle in this division. I'll tell you at the end of the show. And we'll give you our rankings, but if it doesn't work out in a tough division, Milro could be the future next year. He could. And he's, I think he could work too. Like for a later drafted quarterback, that's not usually the, honestly, even like a second round pick at quarterback is just a death knell usually. But I think Jalen Milrow has an opportunity to be very good for both the NFL, but also for fantasy. Because if he starts and is bad in the NFL, he will still be good for fantasy. He's a monster rushing mobile quarterback.
So for a team that were better on defense and they were on offense last year that probably wants to win with defense going into this year, is the running game going to be more of a priority? 100. This is why they got rid of Ryan Grub. This is why they went from Grub to cubes. They went out and got cubes and the old grub to cubes. The Cubiac running system that has proven so effective in the NFL. This is the year for Kenneth Walker. I think that this team wants. the offense to run through Kenneth Walker. When he says the year, he means his last chance. Oh, absolutely. I mean, if Kenneth Walker, he's good. He plays 17 games. I think he'll be one of the best picks in fantasy football. He's the guy that I'm most confident about on this team. But the, but the first, I've said it before, but the first part of that. Yeah. Mike cannot, Mike cannot victory lap a projection. No, I can just be excited that I'm not.
alone the only one you're the only one though i think that's willing to take that risk i don't know that i'm picking kenneth walker because so i don't know that he's going to be on the field especially if they're saying there are there have been a i'll say i'll say this don't you don't you bach puck puck me into picking kenneth walker don't you do it um no he's brock brock rocking you into brock bowers um no look kenneth walker is one of those guys the tantalizing per play exciting letdowns. That's what he's been. Number one enforced miss tackle rate. His yards have to come after contact. Get to his efficiency. Get to his, you know, that's what I'm saying. There have been a lot of, I'm not talking about Kenneth Walker specifically. There have been a lot of players in this category where C.J. Spiller or certain players that you watch on a per touch singular highlight, like.
Ken Walker's highlight stand up against everybody in the league. Yeah. They will whoop everybody. But you also could draft him and he's the running back 38 or 28 or 28. Like he's got a range of outcomes that is not the same as players drafted in his category. I've seen some plays from Kenneth Walker that are superhuman, unbelievable runs for one yard. Like you because the offensive line is so bad that he's like. doing judo moves back behind the line, throwing guys off of them. Yeah, it's not a good line. The O line is still trash. I think Sam Darnold is going to struggle with it. And then if they're going to give him a ton of work, I do think that the scheme will be better. The offensive line scheme will be better. It'll be better for Kenneth Walker as well. So there's some good rays of sunshine for this running game because of a good defense and a desire to do it and a great scheme. He better not be your RV1.
I think so. I think he certainly can't be your RB1 because he's not reliable. And he's being drafted as the running back 15. Behind this offensive line and an offense that I don't think is going to be a top half offense, the scoring opportunities probably won't be, you know, a double digit scoring guy. And in which case, I'm looking at what's his ceiling. You know, is he going to be better than running back 15 if he plays a whole season? Yeah, yeah, he will. He will. And that's the, I'll say this to the positive for Kenneth Walker. Like, you have to find players like this that have warts, but talent. Yeah. Those are the potential breakouts. Ignore my warts. Yeah, I mean, otherwise they're already drafted too high. Don't look at them. I mean, right? They're already drafted too high. It is the perfect Mike Wright type of pick because, and I love, I love warts. No, no, no. I say that as a compliment. Oh, thank you. You are, you can ignore wards better than most.
So here's what's funny is we talk. Your wife must be leather with wards. I look on the inside, man. That's where beauty is, you superficial. Don't look on the outside. That's where all the bandages are. Actually, all of his injuries are internal as well. Gosh, I think a lot of, I think almost all of us talk about like, well, we're playing to win. You know, you're not playing for second place. He's a play to win pick. He is 100%. He is, I'm not scared. I want to get the guy that's going to win my league. He's a play to win or not play and you lose. And I'm not sure. I'm not sure that I actually follow that actual advice of I play for first or I don't give a crap. Because, because Ken Walker is a first or I don't give a crap. I'll take Ken Walker in the fifth round.
I, Andy Holloway, who has never said a nice word. I will take him in the fifth. If he gets to the fifth round, I'll be all my team. I think it's, I think it's worth it. I feel like, Mike, you are you are like either in them running for a championship or destroy. Oh, yeah. Or your last place. Your last, but you are Ricky Bobby, man. Your first or last? Yeah. I mean, look, everybody plays differently. But if I'm running CMC and Ken Walker out as my one too, I am. You are L-I-V-I-N-Rother. I am freaking sending anonymous donations to those medical staffs. Yeah, Andy has too high of an anxiety to play that style. I can't, I don't want to double up, man. Jason, you know, new, new running mates, Cooper Cup. You just talked about the offensive line. You talk about the running game. Got Sam Darno, the quarterback, but he has the only show in town. He's the second round.
pick right now in fantasy wide receiver 12 off the board i don't think that price here's here's how i feel about jason you tell me your opinion on his draft cost i don't think it's an inappropriate cost i don't think wide receiver 12 at 211 is wrong but based on everything else that's ever been there i never taken like i don't think you're saying the other players available i just don't i don't think it's inappropriate relative to the other white outs i just don't ever take him there i would i you know i kind of concur um he was the wide receiver 10
last year in his sophomore season. So he had that official breakout. And it happened in the second half of last year where he dominated. There is a quarterback change, but also you lost D.K. McKaff and Tyler Lockett. You go into this season. Like you went into last season, JSN, still being the wide receiver three in his sophomore year. You're going into this training camp as he's alpha dog number one. So you're getting a wide receiver one who was a top 10 wide receiver last year going into year three young, studley. Your draft him is the wider receiver 12. That all sounds good on paper. But I I I the as we've as we go through this process. I realize like I'm into Rams players and I'm I'm not into Seahawks players okay I think that this offense is going to take a major step back with the offensive line being bad Darnold there a changeover and a desire for more slow it down win with defense.
Playstyle. So, you know, where JSN is being drafted, I, you know, I would rather have T. Higgins, who's going several spots behind them. But the other running backs, Josh Jacobs is there. Jonathan Taylor. I think that's what ends up happening is the running backs. Or Trey McBride. I'll bring it up again. I've looked back historically on the wide outs that break out in year two. And it's not that they can't work. It's just that historically it seems like we. we steam them up a little bit too much. I mean, like, he's being drafted as the wide receiver 12 with a lot of variables changing around him. So that part of the draft bet kind of freaks me out. And then what is, what does this team actually do? What is their plan of JSN was their slot guy? Like he's an 80% type of a slot player. Cooper Cup, that's where Cooper Cup.
had those incredible seasons. 65%, that's how much Cooper Cup has generally been running in the slot. What do they do here when those two guys, I mean, these should be the two featured wide receivers, but they both kind of operate in the same. Their biggest success has happened in that area of the field. Yeah, that's a question. Like, what is this? I would assume you bring a Cooper Cup, you have some sort of plan for that, but it's still troubling to do have to. pay a wide receiver 12 price for that. Like what? I do think there's an opportunity. What if they try to put them outside? I mean, I, yeah. I think there's a chance for a Royal or Barner to make an impact on this offense just because their tight ends, one rookie one second year. Yeah, they're tight ends. Just because of the kind of what seems to be isolation of Cooper Cup and JSN. Like you look at their depth chart, NBS, Tony, Torrey Horton and Jake Bobo. Because it was almost a P90. I almost threw a P90 Tony Horton. Tony Horton.
Oh, I feel it's been so long. I'm trying to remember some of his... What's some of his go-to phrases? Oh, gosh, I know them. You got any back there, Al? Were you ever a P90X, bro? Oh, you can use the microphone, though? How about that? Oh, your microphone broken? Oh, it broke when I hit the panic alarm. Oh, thank you, Kyle. Josh broke it. Do your best, forget the rest. Thank you, Kyle. That's clutch. That's it. Oops, I think I ripped my pants. Yeah, that's what I remember. We're going to take a break. We're going to come back and talk about the last two teams. All right. Arizona, eight and nine last year. And that was above their win total. They were projected for seven last year. They're the only team over the last eight years to do all of the following win eight games.
lead their division in scoring differential. So the Cardinals had the highest scoring differential, yet somehow finished third place. The scoring differential got kind of bumped by a couple of shellacings. I believe the Rams were one of the shellacings. Yes, the, the, the Marvin Harrison game. The, the Marvin Harrison. Yeah, singular. So look, they had a really difficult opening schedule last year. So the truth of the Cardinals and what they are, Marvin was a rookie. their defense was kind of figuring things out. They started six of their first seven games last year against playoff teams. They were also three and five and one score games. This year they have the 11th easiest schedule and their win total is up at eight and a half. So who was the team that was at seven and a half that I was shocked about on the last episode? Do you remember who that was? The Cowboys. The Cowboys. So yeah, their projected win total, eight and a half. Yeah, it was the Cowboys at seven and a half.
And it was the Patriots that are up at eight and a half this year as well. The Cardinals are favored in five of their first six games going into the year. So that's going to be part of the picture. You always want to take players, like if it's a big overwhelming differential, like if you're splitting hairs on, you know, somebody from the Cardinals or somebody on the Browns and you look at those opening season schedules, I'd like them to be in plus matchups most of the time. Mm-hmm. So, you know, Judkins is kind of a question mark now, but maybe that question would have been Connor or Judkins at one point in time. And then you're looking at those schedules saying, wow, they get to go play New Orleans, then Carolina, then San Francisco, then Seattle, where they're favored, and then Tennessee, and then Indianapolis. James Connor is yet again super undervalued. Yeah, he's entered the point where he will perennially and always be until he's done. And he's the perfect type of player with that schedule. I mean, you know, it's not necessarily.
great for the passing game if you're up but the running game is great and then at his age it's like draft him get some juice out of it have him be great and then trade him for value he's just to look at the numbers I mean he was really really good last year he was the RB 10 and he missed a game due to injury he's been he's been very good in Arizona and I know a couple years missing what four games or so but that's uh yeah that's that is part of the experience but I feel confident enough to find a replacement for a game here or there. Who was number one in force, Miss Tackle rate? Was that Kenneth Walker? And number two is James Connor. He if, and if you're not, okay, if you're not watching Cardinals games from last year, or you weren't, I should say, I incredible work by you, because it was frequently very painful to watch. But the bright spot of, I mean, well, Trey McBride, of course, but James Connor, he's just, he's old.