Week 9 Waivers + Hockenson Trade, FAAB Dumps - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/1

Such a bummer about Rashad Bateman, too. Yeah. Because his season is kind of getting deleted right before our eyes. And he got off to such a strong start in his first two weeks. Other names to mention in the stash category, Van Jefferson, somebody to pay attention to. I mean, that conversation could become moot if they trade for Brandon Cooks today. Sure. Terrace Marshall Jr. is playing on 92% of snap. So if you want a player that is always out there. and PJ Walker has been competent in providing value for his wide receivers. He also had nine targets. He had 87 yards this last week. I don't know if you get to play Atlanta every week, but they kind of do one more week. But yeah, you get to play Atlanta again in two weeks here. The Bengals. He's 22 years old. The Bengals matchup, I'm not sure what to think here. They.

I mean, the Browns just wrecked that team last night. They just lost a huge piece of their defense, too. Kyle, are you kind of enlivened by the Terrace Marshall discussion? The fact he's even being mentioned aloud? I feel alive. I've been waiting for this moment. And did you, you felt pretty good about the Travis Fulgum comp that I gave last night when we were talking? Travis Fulgum's out of the league. Yeah. Terrace Marshall's great. Okay. Got it. Darius Slayton, six more targets for Darius Slayton. I, you know, this is a bye week for him, though. So you're not going to hold Darius Slatein over the by week. Donovan Peoples Jones, four targets for 81. Same. He's got the buy week. But he's been solid, man. Like he's been a very interesting player here. Rookie stashes. Johan Dodson, Traylenberg's, Alec Pierce. If you are a team already with depth aren't suffering from the by week and you need to put somebody on your bench that maybe has eventual value.

I would put Burke's last on that list, but it's a name to remember. He will come back at some point. The season should be good. But when I was looking up for the waiver rankings, like how is he doing in his recovery? Because he's eligible to come back after this next week. The reporter that I was looking at said he hasn't seen him around at all. So just because you're out of the four-week window does not guarantee you get to, you just get to be healthy. And he hadn't been. relevant for fantasy yeah it was it was just the hope of you saw some flashes the targets per route run and then it's we're hot and cold with this guy because he's been hot and cold on the field but romeo dobs available in about 40% of leagues had the big week against buffalo seven targets so like the targets continue to go there had the big touchdown catch if you saw the the celebration on the sideline there rogers really dapping him up and they played detroit

The rule of Romeo Dobbs is if you play him, he stinks, and if you put him on your bench, it's the Kyle Pitts rule for me. Perhaps. Well, then pick them up and have him there for your tiebreakers. It's a good point. Cortland Sutton, the most popular drop drop drop Cardinald-Drop candidate. Are you ready to let go of Sutton? No. Well, let's put that to the test. Rondale Moore and Josh Palmer. I would. I don't think I would drop Cortland Sutton for either. I think I'd let him go for Rondale Moore. I mean, it's a fair point. I think Sutton's going to be the third time. I guess if Judy's gone, it's a different story. But Rashad Bateman. These are the number one names, by the way, coming up in people who want to let these guys go. Rashad Bateman is so difficult because head coach said he's going to miss weeks. And you're at the point of the season where I guess if your team is looking great, like your record says, no, I'm going to be safe to make the playoffs.

I'm holding on to Rashad Bateman. If you've got to manufacture wins because you're in the middle, you might have to drop them. You know for a fact you don't have them for two weeks. So if you've got to move on, you've got to move on. All right, quick break back with running backs. All right, let's dive into what running backs we are welcoming into the fold. Pull up your waiver wire and let's look and see. Just take a glance just in case. But if Deontay Foreman is out there. Please, please. You got to pick him up. Make the investment. The amount of work he's getting and the fact that, you know, that's an opportunity to have a big play. When you get 20 plus carries, I know they went to overtime, but he was very good. And, you know, what kind of fabric are you spending on Deonti for him?

Foreman is out there. I'm dropping at least 25 on him. Now, Chuba's going to come back. Yeah. We don't know for sure if he'll be back this week or not, but it is worth remembering that Deonta Foreman had the entirety of the workload to himself. He still rotated out on third downs, even this last week without Chuba. So Chuba will be the pass catching back, which means if he's out there, you should look at picking him up, and it's far more realistic that Chuba is out there, having missed the game. and having Deonta have a big game that, you know, I would pick Chuba up for 10 to 20. Deonts Foreman is probably 25 plus to get him, but he's probably rostered. And, yeah, look, I like Foreman picking him up and play. He's got Atlanta again in two weeks, but they scored four touchdowns. They had 34 total points up until this point in the season. They were living in the teens. They had, you know,

surpassed 20 points just three times. Yeah, but they had that bum Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, this game was better than anything McCaffrey had done for the Panthers. He's very interesting. He's going to get a lot of volume, but I'm not going out of control for him. Other names at the running back position near the top of our waiver rankings this week, but majority rostered, Khalil Herbert and Tyler Algier. I would pick up Herbert over Foreman, personally. No, I would not. I would. I don't blame you for the thought just because Khalil Herbert has just been awesome. Yes. As a running back every time we've seen him in the NFL, he's been outstanding. He's got a time share that he's worked his way into. Should something happen with David Montgomery? You're talking about probably a top five, top six back. Miami, Detroit, Atlanta is the stretch run here for Herbert. So over the next three games, I would rather play that over.

Cincinnati and Baltimore, which Foreman will be doing? Cincinnati, Atlanta, Baltimore. Yeah. Yeah, it's a tough call. I know that all three of us liked Foreman more when they were both healthy, Chuba and Foreman, you know, going into that week and who you would pick up. Algear had 14 carries. It wasn't very efficient. Caleb Huntley got involved, but he did have three for 46 and a catch for a touchdown. So Algear is another. You know, you're in a buy week. Mike has sent me trade offers for running backs. I mean, you need to have somebody to stuff into your lineup and get by this week.

Latavius Murray is another name that can do that, and he's the first name that's under 50% rostered. He can't do it this week because he's on by, but yes, he is someone that you could start after that. And you know that with Mike Boone on IR, it became a two-headed monster. So Melvin Gordon, Latavis Murray, you can start both of them. I would still start Melvin Gordon. I would call it a monster. Okay, that's fair. It's a two-headed, you know, gentle, gentle squirrel. Okay, like a two-headed. Squirrel, that's fine. It's a little off-putting. It's, but it's going to scare you a little bit because it's got two heads, yeah. But it's also the heads are a little heavy for its small squirrel body, so it's not as fast as it used to be. Murray looks good. What? No. You're crazy. He looks better than Melvin Gordon to me between the tackles. That's fine. Like, if you personally think he looks better than Gordon, that's fine. He looks more effective to me than Melvin Gordon, but I think they both look bad.

Kenyon Drake 7 for 62 last week, four targets, and could have it all to himself, kind of, sort of. It's the Kenyon Drake pickup, as I was alluding to at the top of the show, is so tough because if Gus Edwards is out, Kenyon Drake will get a ton of volume against the Saints, but it's Monday night, and you probably won't know if Gus is active until the game is about to kick off when they declare inactive. So it's... it's real sketchy to bank everything on him to be your RB2 or a flex play. Yeah, I agree. I mean, Kenya Drake's 40% rostered. Isaiah Pacheco, 46% rostered. Coming off of the buy after they made him the starter. Talking about a starter, Isaiah Pacheco. Yeah, the starter for the Kansas City Chiefs. I think there's huge opportunity here for him to look.

All three of these running backs will be involved for the Chiefs, and all three can be both played and be terrible options. But remember the beginning of the season, where the starter, who happened to be Clyde Edwards-Alair in that three-headed timeshare, was just really good for fantasy because the touchdown opportunities are there. Isaiah Pacheco... having gotten through, you know, several games of his rookie season and being made the starter, now coming out of a buy, you're talking about a long-term rest-of-season stash who is playable and who still possesses a hopeful upside, an unknown of really kind of taking over as the season progresses, the second half of his rookie year, where he is both someone you could start now and hope that it gets touchdown and has room to be.

better every week the rest of the season. So he's someone, I think, available in somehow more than 50% of leagues. I think he would be worth taking a fab dump on. Yeah, I agree. A fab dump? Taking a fab dump on them? Yeah, but like a good fab dump. I mean, it feels good. You know, it's something for producers alleys. You don't struggle. You're not grimacing and overworking and you're going to blow out no ring. But it feels good. Yeah, just taking a good fab dump. Yeah. It's necessary sometimes. Nice healthy fad dump. Um, was that, that was the line of over a thousand. No, it was. That was a show of poop jokes. No, no. I just didn't have anything to say. You got anything to say, Bruxie? No. You taking any fab dumps this week? I don't think so. Okay. Brian Robinson, would you draw Brian Robinson for Pacheco? Yes. Uh, he, um,

Pacheco can catch passes and will be involved in that. Maybe. Could be the goal line guys on a much better offense. That's a difficult line right there. Stashes. Kyron Williams, Jalen Warren, Rashad White, Deerness Johnson. Yeah, Deerness Johnson, you may know by the time you're listening to this. If Kareem is gone, then Deerness is the next man up to be the RB2. They're going into the buy week. So you don't have to, you know. Drop a huge fab dump, so to speak. You don't have to burn a priority to get Deerness Johnson, but he's interesting. Jalen Warren. It's just a sensitive topic after all that Halloween candy. Yeah, yeah. Jalen Warren to me is interesting. We brought him up yesterday. It's another bi-week player because everyone's on the freaking buy this week. Thanks, NFL. But he, when you're watching Najee Harris and you're watching Jailen Warren.

Najee Harris looks like the undrafted player and Jalen Warren looks like the high draft capital running back at this point. And then an article, I can't remember the source that came out yesterday of saying, you know, just highlighting how bad Najee Harris has been is not just, you know, athletically he doesn't look right. He had the foot injury in training camp. He's making interesting decisions because maybe he thinks he can. still make certain jump cuts or juke moves that he can't right now because his body won't let him. But over the buy week, if we come out of that and there's like, well, we're going to move this more to a time share. Or maybe they actually shut Najee Harris down. There's a lot of things that the Steelers could do for Janlon Warren to really gain value heading into the second half of the season. Which tight ends are you looking to welcome into the fold this week?

Uh, tight ends. There's, there's a lot. Obviously, Greg D is going to be at the top of the list. You've, you've on that by week. Even on the by week, Greg Dulcich would be the number one because if you're looking for help, if you're like, man, I need a tight end, then you need to roster two and you need to roster Greg Dolsuch. I agree. Three games in his entire career. as a rookie. He's been a top 12 tight end each week. 44, 51, 87 yards. He's got a touchdown in one of them. He looks explosive. He's playing the part. You know, you need to take a shot when a player looks like he has the potential to break out. And I don't usually trust rookie tight ends. But look, if he's doing it, you know, NBA Jam rules three in a row. You got to, you got to believe. Isaiah likely is only 7% rostered.

Give me the fab spend for the Andrews manager, and then if you're not an Andrews manager on Isaiah likely in the potential upside or ability to just step in and be relevant with Andrews on the bench. I would spend 20, 25 fab if I'm the Andrews manager to make sure I have him because otherwise you're going to possibly not know who you can start on Monday night. He is a great cuff for Andrews, and I would probably roster likely. even further into the season in case Andrews got injured. If I'm not, the Andrews manager, you know, it's like I, I would love to personally, I have George Kittle on by. I would love to pick up Isaiah Likeley, but I can't do it because I'm not going to roster three Titans and I'm not dropping George Kittle. So I don't know if Isaiah likely is going to be a starter on Monday and I won't know that.

when I'm making my waiver claims tonight for them to run in the morning. So, you know, maybe put in a dollar or two. He is worth, he is worth having on your roster for sure. If the Andrews manager doesn't go after him and you're wanting that shot in the dark, maybe we know before Sunday, Mark Andrews's health, he's, I think Isaiah likely is like a top six play if Andrews is out. Is there a world where somebody with a good tight end? could flex Isaiah likely because of the fact that they don't have Rashad Bateman. And, you know, Duvernay is kind of a, you know, they give him opportunities to use his speed, but he's not really a downfield threat. And six for 77 and a touchdown last week. That's a really good point, Andy. I haven't thought about that. Like for my team, last week I ended up instead of going Marquis Goodwin or Michael Gallup, I went Mike Gassicki in my flex.

as that last piece. And yeah, if you pick up Isaiah likely and you're just saying, hey, I'm willing to flex this guy over other waiver wire wide receivers and waiver wire running backs that are available, he is a good start if he is the starter. If you can get likely very cheap, as Jason was saying right now, I think it's worth it just to go through the week and see what happens. If you're, you know, George Kittles on by. Okay, and you'll have to make a move, but maybe you know. before Sunday if Mark Andrews is going to play. And if he is, then you just go drive. Evan Angram forever on your waiver wire forever. You could pick him up and just play him one week and then drop him. Robert Tunyon gets Detroit. He's about roster in about half a league. So there's other options that could be out there. Tyler Conklin is super widely available. Yeah, just some really interesting and fine backup options should likely not.

become the start of with Andrews out. All right. Other names Hayden Hurst, Evan Ingram, Dawson Knox scored again. Tyler Conklin reemerged. Yeah. We'll see. No thoughts on any of those names. Not really. I mean, Hayden Hurst last night was not great. It's hard to, you know, take that. The whole game was garbage for the Bengals. Take that memory away. Dawson Knox got a touchdown, which is obviously always a chance when Josh Allen's throwing the ball. not very involved in the passing game to the degree that I would like. So I think what the players Mike said, you know, Evan Ingraham, Robert Tunyon in Detroit, those are the names that I would be looking at to pick up if I need to start this week. All right, defenses. Who are we welcoming into the fold for this upcoming week? I think there are a few really interesting streamers. So you have.

The Cincinnati Bengals will be taking on Carolina, and they just got wrecked, but they, you know, I believe that they're at home against Carolina and PJ Walker. The Panthers aren't going to do what they did to the Falcons, to the Bengals. So they're in play for me. And the Minnesota Vikings even more widely available. They're taking on the Manders, and the Manders have, they've taken the third most sacks. Taylor Heineke. Oh, he loves to Chuck. They pulled out a miracle win. But because he chucked it. But due to him doing the chucking, that turns into a lot of interception potential. And Minnesota is a better defense to me than the Colts. Yeah. And the Patriots, they're not.

as widely available as some of those teams. But the second game, a lot of times rookie quarterbacks or newer, you know, you haven't seen them out there. They can come out and have a decent first game in their second game when there's an entire game of film on how they play and their tendencies. You give that to Bill Belichick and you say, hey, Sam, Sam Ellenger, go out and throw against Billichick's defense. It's going to be tough sledding for him. I think the trap defense of the week is the, Miami-Chicago matchup. I don't want to play a really bad defense in Miami, who just keeps getting worse against Chicago's emerging offense, even if the season-long metrics look like you should. That's another one of those traps. You look at last week, the Cowboys had a touchdown return on a fumble. The most fluky of returns. That was, if you didn't see it,

absolutely wild. There's just a fumble recovery by Micah Parsons. He's down on the ground. And Justin Fields, who is right there, decides to hop over him. Don't touch him down. Make sure you don't touch him even accidentally hops right over him and lets him get up and run in for a touchdown. Shouldn't have happened. So yeah, I agree with you to a degree. Yeah, other than that touchdown, they would have been. You know, middle of the pack is a play. New England play, you know, it looked like a great matchup against them. They beat New England. And I think it was five fantasy points. So just keep that in mind. You know, this is the time where, like, if you use the streamfinder tool on our website, you know, you can change the span of weeks to find a, you don't want to necessarily look at the entire year. Like I said, Seattle looks like a great matchup.

If you look at the whole year, you look at the last three weeks, you wouldn't be tempted to, you know, throw Daniel Jones out there. So just remember that you can change it to last three, last five games, get a better picture of how teams are trending. Players get better. They make trades. Players get healthier. Defense has changed. Bear all of that in mind when you're making your decisions. No other information, right? No special trades. Nothing. Well, that's a shame. That's ridiculous. Get ready for disappointment. All right. That was welcome to the Fold presented by our friends at Samsung. The Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4 makes multitasking super easy, including that waiver wire. Use it to check player rankings, watch highlights, and view trade targets to improve your roster all at the same time. Visit Samsung.com to learn more. Still got to talk about the quarterback position. Full stream ahead.

I'm going to go with Aaron Rogers against Detroit as my stream of the week. It has been rough for the Packers, four straight losses. Doesn't have a three touchdown game this year. But the setup this week for a get right game, it's there. Romeo Dobbs, Alan Lazard should be back. They may trade for a wide receiver. I still think that's a possibility. And the Lions are allowing eight. point one yards per attempt, the highest in the NFL. They seem to be moving the ball better with Aaron Jones as the focal point. I'll be it, you know, it was a tough matchup last week against Buffalo. But, um, I think Aaron Rogers this week is a strong play. Agreed. Yeah, in, in division in Detroit, where Detroit can put points. And we actually, is this a real, do we have it? Is this fake Adam Schaefter or real Adam Schaefter? This is real. Wow. Real Adam Schaefter.

Breaking news. Wow. The Detroit Lions were dealing tight-in T.J. Hawkinson in division to the Minnesota Vikings, who are six and one. Herb Smith has a high ankle springs. Yeah, they've had about enough of Hurt Smith Jr. I like it. T.J. Hawkinson going to the Vikings. Which good for you, Detroit, for not doing this nonsense of, well, this player is not, we don't want him on our team. But we don't want him on your team. If he's not a good fit for your team, because you don't think he's good enough, you don't think he's worth the money. It doesn't matter. Just trade him. Go get something. And they got a haul. Did they? Did they? A 2023 second? A 2024 third. A 2023 fourth and a 2024.

Conditional fourth round. No way. Are you serious? They are paying up for a guy who they have seen in their division be, you know, a dominant athlete, a good run blocker can get out and catch passes, can help break this offense wide open. Well, and they're going for it. I mean, right? They're six and one. Yeah. Yeah. They should go for it. That's wild, though. I can't, no way. Kyle, what did he say the compensation wrong? Yeah, Minnesota sends a 2023 second, a 2024 third. for Hawkinson, a 2023 fourth, and a condition. Okay. That is a lot different. That makes far more sense. So a fourth round pick goes back. Yeah. And a 2024 conditional fourth round pick. Yeah. That's much better. Is this a good time to bring up what happened in our league of record?

where somebody traded. Oh, yes. They traded Travis. They made an offer with Travis Kelsey and they meant to put in the other person's multiple seconds and thirds, but they accidentally put their own seconds and thirds. So we wake up and we see this trade that's going. It's like, oh man, Kelsey was moved. So what was the compensation? Wait, they gave up Kelsey and the picks and multiple seconds and thirds for basically nothing, which by the way, we reversed that trade because it was an accident. But this is huge. TJ Hawkinson, I mean, to me, this, you know, it doesn't affect Justin Jefferson and whether anything's good for him. If anything, it's, you know, good for the offense. Ammon Ra. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it even affects Amman Rae that much.

I think who it affects is Kirk Cousins. I mean, it ups, Kirk Cousins' upside to have another viable target on the inside of this offense. Amman Ra was going to get his, wasn't he? Sure, but I mean, you know, part of the breakout last year that we were talking about was, well, Hawkinson was gone when Amherst was just absolutely dominating. And this is another target gone for Amman Ra to just soak up. You could throw the ball to Amman Ra every play. And you can't do that when you throw it to T.J. Hawkinson, so just keep throwing it to Tom and Rock. How much of this acquisition is based on the fact that Hawkinson's hair meets the Viking. Oh, he does. He's very Viking. Yes. You know, in a cowardly lion sense. Right. Not a valet. Not a cowardly lion anymore. He's a Viking. Oh, I like it. So Aaron Rogers was my stream of the week. Moving back here. Keep breaking in with news. Thank you for that, guys. All right.

I give you credit for making a trade happen during the show. I'm going to give you a streaming quarterback. Then you give me the next trade. Yes. Okay. Here's the next streaming quarterback. It's a quarterback that's been bad lately. It's Trevor Lawrence. Trust the process. I was going to say, man. I am, I'd be nervous to do this. I would not because the Raiders have just stunk. They just got shut out and boat raced by the Saints. The Raiders ranked 32nd and schedule adjusted fantasy points allowed to the quarterback position. You know how good Russell Wilson's been this year? Bad. He was the quarterback three. Ryan Tannahill is not a fantasy. What was Dalton last week? Well, Dalton, I, some of his scoring came through the air with Alvin Camara, but I know Alvin Camer had three touchdowns. I don't, it wasn't a trap. I was just genuinely asking how he was 17 points. He was QB 18, so 229 yards and two touchdowns.

For a streaming type of a player, you take it. Yeah, Davis Mills was the quarterback six. Ryan Tannahill was the quarterback eight. You've got a lot of players who have had a nice, easy throwing lanes against the Raiders. And I do think Trevor Lawrence, while he can be bad, we've seen him be really good. His upside is tremendous. And so I am fine streaming Trevor Lawrence this week. And Mike, this one makes the most. Oh, wait. We're waiting for the breaking news. Oh, yeah. Could you, uh, Al? Ducers. Al. Got nothing yet. Okay. I'm sure it's coming. Judge, Judge Giumani? Nope. Focus on energy on Kareem, please. And Borg. What do you got? I mean, that one was a full surprise with Hawkinson. The NFL trade deadline has had some movers and shakers. There was whispers that started creeping up in the last couple days on Hawkinson. I'm surprised they went to the Vikings. Okay. Good for you. All right. My streamer of the week, because my dude, please be good.