Draft Tips + Hungry For More - Fantasy Football Podcast for 7/30

Once I lost so badly in my fantasy football league that I had to eat an entire kind of dog food covered in wasabi. It was unpleasant. But now I found the fantasy footballer's element draft kit. The days of dog food are gone as I dig into their breakouts, values, tiered rankings, and much more. If you want to join me in the winter circle where you don't have to paint your butt cheeks like an elephant's face. Head over to www.W.com and prepare for your fantasy draft. To the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. The Fantasy Footballers Tuesday, July 30th. Mike Wright. Hello. Jason Moore, Andy Holloway.

No, you didn't get to talk. Yeah, no, he wasn't going to let another. He heard me chillow and he's like, we're past this. Shut it down. He already made me endure that incredible introduction. That's me. I don't know why you two. I love it. Love it so much. It is funny. And I'm sure that the YouTube comments right now are saying how funny it is. And realistic. Oh, it's, well, I mean, it's our good friend Chris. Yeah. We are happy to have you with us. This is the final July episode of the show. People know it was not AI. Right. Yes, AI can do way better. That's true. We are here. We are excited to be with you. We have a lot to talk about news. Players getting paid some money. Oh, yeah. We have our. Some people not getting money.

Everybody gets money unless you're a cowboy. If you're a cowboy, no money for you. It's weird. It's weird. And we'll talk about it. We have our first hungry for more segment on today's show of the year. So that'll be our quick question of the day. And yeah, final July show, which means five days a week starting August 1st. Yes. Which means football is here. I believe. Hall of Fame. Isn't Hall of Fame this week? Yeah. That's weird. Not that anybody plays. No. Or watches it. Yeah, but it's football. It's the symbolic start. But that means two weeks from now is preseason. That is true. So, you know, we're going to have a bunch of questions we answer on today's show. I try to help you win your league. But Jason, I am curious now that we're going into this new season as someone they had to be in the presence of two champions for the entire summer.

like what is the kind of mental hurdles you've had to overcome? How do you prepare for a season of us being the champion through the whole year? And then like what adjustments have you had to make? Because I know there's a lot of people out there that might be more like you and didn't win it this year. Didn't win a championship this last year. Yeah. I mean, it is tough, but I am a man of the people and everyone knows that only one person wins in your league. And I think what you do if you are in my position is you just look at history and you say, well, well, self.

Did you win a championship in one of our main three leagues in 10 consecutive years? And then you're like, okay, yeah, I'm fine. Thank you, Andy, for bringing that up. Kind of backfired a little bit. I don't know. But I was like some real hindsight analysis going on over here. We have a live show at the end of August in Los Angeles. That is Saturday, August 24th at the Palace Theater. You can go to ballerslive.com for tickets. We have the ultimate draft kit available right now, and you don't need to wait any longer. August is almost here, and it's time to get ready for your draft. And I'm excited. We're doing our League of Record draft right before the kickoff of the first game, which I realized. See, I have a new co-manager in this league in League of Record, and it is my son. My son is my co-manager for the first time.

Then I realized I'm going to have to make him. He's going to have to miss school. Oh, wow. He's going to miss school to come to our League of Record draft because we decided to do it. Dude, priorities. Good father. I mean, like it is. He is going to miss school. It is. Yeah, it is what it is, man. School can kick rocks, am I right? Yeah, man. I don't go to school. Neither does he. Did you get the waiver signed for the 18 plus draft party? No. They're going to say is the way from a, he's going to find a dentist to be like, oh, that's right. You need to cover for me. That's why I thought you meant too that I would tell the school he's got a dental appointment. And then a doctor and then something else covered. The ultimate draft kit available at ultimate draft kit.com. You can get the UDK or the UDK Plus. Anything else going on. You guys want to talk about. I'm famished. All right.

Welcome to Hungry for More, presented by Uber Eats. All right, we are back into Hungry for More. So it's the off-season training camp has started. This is the time of extrapolating big things from little videos. And we all have something that we have observed or paid attention to that we are hungry for a little more of. I guess I will toss it over to Jason to start. this segment what are you hungry for more yeah i am hungry for more of joe burrow i want to see a the haircut the hair not the hair not not eminem oh halloween outfit guys yeah i mean we're all clamoring to see who gets to claim uh eminem version of joe burrow you know who's stuck with that yeah that's the one who's willing to shave and able to shave that's you um but joe burrow is someone that like even when when we were preparing for this segment

Kyle our editor was like, you know, he was besmirching him. He was calling them their backup quarterback and talking about some stupid stats from last year about, you know, how he was not even as good as Jake Browning. Joe Burrow is an unbelievable top five quarterback in the NFL when healthy. And I am hungry to see that for fantasy purposes, not only for Joe Burrow, who is an absolute steal of a value right now if he's healthy. but also for Jamar Chase, for T. Higgins, you've got an offense here that is really, really important for fantasy football, and we are forgetting how good Joe Burrow is. We talk all the time about how hard it is to be a pocket passer. And if you're a pocket passer, we've talked about it a lot with C.J. Stroud, you have benchmarks you have to hit to be valuable in fantasy football. You have to hit, you have to throw for 4,000 yards. If you're throwing for 3,500 yards, it doesn't work if you're a pocket passer. You have to throw for near 35 plus touchdowns.

If you're not doing both of those things at the same time, you're not going to be a consistent weekly asset. And certainly if you're being drafted highly, you must crush those numbers. But Joe Burrow has, you know, it's like, what's the best way to know someone can do it in the future? Well, they've done it in the past. And we forget because last year was a train wreck. Last week, last year he started camp with the calf injury and was injured and then had the worst start imaginable in those first. four weeks. He threw two total passing touchdowns. He was dead last in yards per pass attempt, dead last, dead last in completion percentage as he was working his way back. Once he was healthy, the next five games before the thumb injury and five games, 12 touchdowns, the number one completion rate. You're like, oh yeah, that's Joe Burrow, unfortunately got injured. But look at the previous two seasons. The two seasons that are so easy to forget, even though they were just one injured season away where he was the quarterback eight.

And the quarterback four, he threw for 4,600 yards and 34 touchdowns. Those are the numbers we need two years ago. Then, or three years ago, two years ago was 4,475 yards and 35 passing touchdowns. Oh, and he added 250 and 5 on the ground when he was the quarterback four. There's a really, really talented quarterback that we pretty much haven't seen in a year. Last year was deleted. Maybe we lost our appetite. That is why I made him my hungry for more because I think people have lost their appetite for Joe Burrow. It is reflected in his average draft price. You look at 2022, he was on average the 46th player taken. 2023 last season, he was the 32nd player off the board. Major bust of a season. Right now he's the 63rd player. You do not. Are you targeting him? I am. He is one of the few. I mean, I still prefer a mobile quarterback. So like my main targets.

Go Anthony Richardson, Kyler Murray, Jaden Daniels. But of all the other quarterbacks out there, if I'm deleting the mobile rushing quarterbacks, he is the best of the pocket passer for the value, the spot, what he's done in the past, the weapons he has. And I'm hungry for more Joe Burrough. Speaking of losing our appetites, Mike has the Broncos backfield. And I thought I was hungry for less of that backfield. So tell me why you're hungry for more. of the Broncos, I guess you would call it like what, like a sample platter that they have going on in the back field? You're pretty much emaciated from last year, so yeah. It's just the camp battle that is going on right now is so fascinating because there are really, really large fantasy repercussions from what happens here. Like we've talked about of all these guys in the off season.

We're hearing more and more about each player. We're talking Javante Williams, Odrick Estimee Lodder, Jaliel McLaughlin, and Somaget P. Rine is still on the team. And we've heard, you know, before training camp started, it was maybe Javante and Samajai P. Rine are battling for one spot. It sounds like McLaughlin and Adric Estimate are locked into the roster. And like the range of what can happen here of Javante. would be wild if he's cut, but people are talking about it, all the way to, no, he's the starter for a Sean Peyton offense. And let me just read you some of the quotes. So the quote about Giovante here, he's lost weight, he looks trim. And this is the coach talking about him. I thought it looked sharp today. He looked much different. His weights down and I'm proud of him. Look, running backs losing weight often turns into success for fantasy football, but then talking about estimate. He needs to lose weight. Is that what you're saying?

Which, do it. Guilty is charged. Remember, Estimate is a day three pick. But he said when the draft started, every once in a while there's a player, you'd say, when this thing's all over, I'd love to have this player. And fortunately, we were able to get this player. He's talking about Audric Estimate. And then talking about McLaughlin, he's here at 515 in the morning, first one in, last one out, you know, like really commending his work ethic. And I'm bringing all this up because. The history of Sean Payton with running backs, while last year didn't turn into a real focused fantasy production for us, Giovante was running back 30 on the year, but he had 47 receptions. Meanwhile, Somaget P. Rine had 50 receptions. I mean, just the two of those guys combined. Like if we can get 75% of that, if Giovante ends up being the main running back and he's healthy, but looking over the course of what Sean Payton has done, not just with Alvin Camara.

But in running back fantasy points, the group, their total fantasy points, it's always incredible. And last year, when it felt bad, it was still the 10th most points for the running back position, even though it wasn't really usable. So it's just figuring out what is happening here because if Giovante is actually back and closer to the draft prospect that he was and not the guy we saw in the field last year, then you are getting an absolute steal at the running back 30. I don't know if that's the case of what will happen. And then should Giovante Williams, they move on from him, all of a sudden, Andragestimate, to me, is very interesting because he'll be the first and second down guy, the goal line guy. So there's just, there is real value here. And it's just, this is like reality TV to me, what's happening with these three Bronco running backs. And I love it. I can't get enough of the information about it. All right. I will go with an athletic, an athletically gifted rookie in.

Xavier Legat of the Carolina Panthers. I am hungry to see more. I saw a little highlight of him doing an out route. Yeah, I am so excited. With a terribly thrown ball that he had to die for. Yeah, I mean, that happens in Carolina. But Xavier Legat, the storyline that Jason has brought up with him, rookie wide receiver in Carolina, desperately in need of explosive weapons. The story has been, you saw so little of the. top tier Xavier League at in college. He was one of the latest breakout aged first round wide receivers that we have ever seen over the last decade. When we say breakout age, we mean when did he have 20 plus percent of the college teams receiving yards percentage and then the teams receiving touchdowns? He had one big year in South Carolina. And Brett Coleman had this thread talking about some of the things that Xavier Legat was up against throughout his adolescence.

whether it was losing both of his parents, whether it was starting college and then COVID hits and your development stops, whether it was you started as a wide receiver in high school and then your head coach decides instead of developing you as a wide receiver, we're just going to make you a quarterback and have you run for 1,800 yards as a quarterback in high school so that you don't develop as a wide receiver. He was late to that party when it came to developing the route tree and the opportunities. You saw a little bit of him in the receiver documentary with

with Debo Samuel, who comes from South Carolina as well and kind of brought league under his wing. This is a, I think, an absolutely athletically overwhelming talent in Carolina. And it would be easy to say, well, he went to a place that didn't produce a lot on offense last year. But I have a lot of confidence in Dave Canales and putting people in the right position on this team and giving. Bryce Young, the best opportunity. And this was a team where we did see. We saw production that helped your fantasy team from an over-the-hill, Adam Thielen for the first half of the year. And Xavier Liga is so talented. He's so large. He's so fast. I trust Dave Canales to put him into a good position to succeed. And he talks about it. Like we have quotes from Dave Canales. You talk about being hungry for more.

Out of the backfield, jet sweep, short crosses, perimeter screens, down the field, posts. He said, quote, there really isn't much else we do with receivers. He has done it all. He has a massive receiver with explosive ability. He can make things happen and more and more of these superlatives around Xavier Leggett. Yeah, the crazy thing is, so Xavier Leggett was a guy. I mean, I fell in love with his tape. I told people in the rookie draft season, his profile is one that you want to bet against for sure. I'm betting on him. Don't follow me, but I believe in him. So I believe in Legate. I believe in Deontay Johnson as a really good NFL wide receiver. It's going to get open, going to catch the ball really good. I believe in Canales. I think he's a good offensive mind. He's done good things the last several years with different quarterbacks. And I don't believe in Bryce Young. So it's like those, they can't all, something is going to give. And so I just, I don't want to find out which one it is.

Is that your way of saying like if Deonti Johnson and Canales and Lee Get have success, then by extension, you're wrong about Bryce Young. Exactly correct. That is what I'm saying. All right. That was hungry for more presented by Uber Eats. Get almost almost anything for game day delivered with Uber Eats. Official on-demand food delivery partner of the NFL order now. News and notes from around the league. There's a specific drop that I think. We need to hit here. Do you have the money drop? Can you find that for me? Well, the weekend was busy to a Tungabailoa four-year, $212 million contract extension. The Packer signed Jordan Love to a four-year, $220 million extension. Jordan Love is now the highest paid quarterback in the history of the NFL. That's insane. He's had one season, which was a great season, and maybe he proved.

everything that you needed to see. Obviously, he did to the backers. But that is also, that's a tough pill to swallow to go from, you've been a backup, you weren't ready, we're going to give you a contract that's like a try and prove it. You proved it. Not just, okay, we're going to extend you. We're going to give you a good contract, but we're going to make you the highest paid quarterback of all time. Well, you guys might be surprised, but I obviously always believe this was going to happen. If you look back at my tweets and blur your eyes a little bit, that's what you see. Yeah, it's incredible confidence. Now, both of these, four year 212 for Tua, four year 220 for Jordan Love. You know, a lot's made because Jordan Loves is the highest ever. But Tua's right there with him. These are both gargantuan contracts. Same with the Trevor Lawrence contract that he just got. Which one is the best, which one is the worst? Of the deals? Yeah, for the franchises. Which one would you not have done?

If I had to choose one, it was two as deal. I would rather have done Jordan Love's deal. Yeah. I mean, because you're locking up a player that I think showed enough as fast as you can. And every latest deal will be the highest deal ever forever. That's one of my least favorite lines in all of this. In fact, I heard Patrick Mahomes talking about these deals because, of course, the media goes straight to him and says your average value per year now is X. And these guys are at X. And his response just, It's why he's a three-time champion. He's just like, I'm doing great for my family. You know, I'm not concerned about the average annual price. I signed a good deal when I signed it. It lets me put good players around me. Yeah. It was just so incredible. But every new deal, remember when Joe Flacco was the highest paid quarterback in the history of football? Uh-huh. I mean, this will happen over and over again. It's not the deal.

numbers, the headlines today. It's whether you did what you're supposed to do. Do you want to be in the DAC Prescott range where you just have this hanging over your team every time there's a deal about to be made or you just want to do the right thing like they did with Jordan Love? Lock them up. You know your next four years and beyond and move forward. I agree. Whatever quarterback you sign to a long-term deal is going to have a monstrous contract. It's always going to be up near the top whenever they sign. But I guess my question was- But the two-a-deal is- Is Tua worth it? Is Tua a quarterback that you want to be tied to for the next half a decade? It is not very different than paying Trevor Lawrence. Tua, I think, to all of us, feels like he's benefited tremendously from Mike McDaniel and the system. Sure. But what else is he supposed to do? So he earned it in the context of doing what you're supposed to do on that team, when you're supposed to do it. He has a concussion history. Those things are going to linger.

But, I mean, he should be great for the next few years. What are you going to do, not pay him, Mike? No, you either have a guy who can win games for you or you're just stuck forever and ever being a losing franchise. Yeah, you have Derek Carr, you have maybe Daniel Jones. I mean, there's just, it's. Did you see there was $1.2 million worth of quarterback contracts given out, $1.2 billion, sorry, $1.2 billion worth of contract given out this offseason to quarterbacks that have zero rings combined? Yeah. You are paying to play the game. What else are you going to do? Well, when you've got Mahomes kind of hoarding them rings, it's tough for other people to, you know, have them. Stafford got a little extra money. Yep. Finalized the new contract. Nick Chubb, unlikely to be ready for the start of the season. Jerome Ford expected to be the leadback. That's the report we got. Pierce Strong Jr. The backup. That part is.

That's interesting. Pierce Strong got way more playing time last year than anybody wanted to see happen. Right. And then Deontoforman to fill short yardage rolls. You know, you can take that news any way you want. I have been more on the hesitant around Ford's side because I am afraid of him losing short yardage. But expected to be lead back, you can take that positively. Yeah, I take it positively. I see Jerome Ford is a really good value to start the season. Losing that goal line job, that's fine. did the same thing last year. Kareem Hunt had, what was it like nine rushing? That's fair. Kareem Hunt was the goal line back. So they're bringing in what I think is probably a downgrade from Kareem Hunt around the goal line and Deont Foreman. And Ford has another year in the system. He's the veteran. He proved himself last year. So I do think that this is positive news for Jerome Ford. This is not a guy you're going to draft who's going to go out there and give you top five weeks. He's not going to go out there and dominate. But he is a guy that's going to go out there and give you top 24 weeks almost every week.

until, you know, maybe until Chubb is fully back and healthy and integrated. And you have, yeah, you have the timeline of Nick Chub, okay, he's actually back. How long until Nick Chub is back to being the starter who's getting like the bulk of the work? That's a whole extended period of time. You saw it with Jonathan Taylor last year, right? Jonathan Taylor comes back and they don't just go straight to it. Zach Moss still had a couple of weeks where he was more than lead dog. I have a harder. This one's tougher for me. Okay. And it's not because any of the things you're saying are incorrect. It's because of the nature of building a team. And so if I'm going to build a team where I probably have drafted my starting running backs already, and I get Jerome Ford. And Jerome Ford's expiration date is coming when I'm not starting him. It makes him a tough pick for me.

That's my hesitation around Jerome Ford. Does that make sense? That is, that is well said and it's accurate. Jerome Ford is like a zero RB darling. It's one of those builds where RB 41 right now. Yeah, if you are punting running back to start your draft and you're wanting to go a little bit more, you know, anti-fragile, get wide receivers, maybe go after the onesie positions. Sorry. That is round 11. So like your shot on somebody else there is not a high upside shot. It's very, very poor. And on top of that, look, unfortunately, we know that in rounds one through five, there's going to be a lot of players that it just doesn't work. Guys get hurt. Guys get hurt. Guys aren't what you hope that they would become. And like, to me, even with the expiration that will certainly happen to Jerome Ford, it's.

Well, what if the running back guy took in round four doesn't work out? And all of a sudden, now Jerome Ford is my RB2 and he was free. All right, I want to talk about quite a bit of the news still. So we'll take a quick break and come back with some news from Chargers camp. All right, turning towards the Chargers training camp discussion. J.K. Dobbins, been full participant in training camp. Now, did you see the calf? The picture of JK one leg in the most literal sense, like the calf. of one of his legs is not as developed. Yeah, I'm going to guess that's the leg with the Achilles problem. You're wrong. No, you're right. Yeah, I mean, one photograph I'm not going to go crazy about. Obviously, he's out there playing, practicing. This is good news for J.K. Dobbins. I'm not going to overreact to the photograph. And besides, he has had successful times. He's had successful times on the field.

where he's been jk1 leg right yeah i mean he's still recovering from the achilles so it's are you fully out like you're betting out out i am betting yes my bet is both you is out on dog yeah it's not it's not that daubbins can't come back it's like dobbins to me can come back and be the aunt the foreman for a team right where you're not gonna you didn't sign him probably to take over everything no because those days are gone like he is definitely he is the presumed number two running back behind Gus Edwards. But the contract is in such a way that we get into August. This team sees what JK is and evaluate the running back, the room and be like, this isn't going to work. And we have to go, like, they cut him and they go pick up Dalvin Cook or something. Yeah, I'll talk about players you want to see on preseason field. Like, I would love to see this. I reserve the right to change my opinion. If that cap gets a little bit bigger.

Bad news for you two gentlemen from the 90s. Jarrett Patterson running ahead of six-round rookie Kamani Vidal. You address him properly. Thank you. Sorry, Kamani Vidal Sassoon. Thank you. Which earlier he mentioned, Odrick Estimate Lauder. Yes. And then we do have Adonai Paul Mitchell. That's right. And of course, skirt the rules a little bit. And then what was the last one that I heard? Oh, Drake Mabelene. Yeah. So we do have the full allotment of, and I have to explain this because I'm pretty sure that earlier in the show, if you're under 35 years old, you thought that we mispronounce the last name of Androgestimate when in fact, we were making a really creative and deft 1995 salon joke. Yeah, I mean, it was a professional joke here. Yeah.

I'm happy that you got to explain it. You always want to explain jokes. You need to sometimes. You know, thanks for, thanks for tuning in. I will say this. First of all, Comini Vidal Sassoon as a round. That's the best one though. As a as a round six pick, you have to bet against these late day three guys. I know that the drafts easy comes around and everyone gets all excited. But I'm just historically like they don't work. They just they do work sometimes. An undrafted guy becomes Austin Eckler, but the majority, and I'm talking like 90% of the time, it doesn't work. So, but on the flip side, Jared Patterson, that's a name from the past that I ever. Like, did he even, was he in the NFL last year? You are remembering Jared Patterson from your fantasy football championship game two years ago. On the Washington football team, I believe. Same team he was still on last year. We had 17 total attempts. Okay. But, um, but yeah, right now the Gus bus.