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Week 5 Studs & Duds + Red Alert Offenses | Fantasy Football 2024 - Ep. 1649

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Week 5 reactions mix the Foot Clan community pitch with a Red Alert offense frame and a debate over Cleveland's quarterback carousel.

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All right, Tucker Kraft, your start of the week. That was delicious. Two touchdowns, four for 88. I've already seen the questions coming in like Sam LaPorter or Tucker Kraft next week. Wow. And what's your answer? It's probably LaPorta. I mean, we don't chase the, but I mean, Kraft is playable and he's looked good. Yeah, I mean, I would agree with you if it's someone like Laporta. But if you've got Andrews or, you know, if you've been dealing with. all the injury bug. If you picked up Kraft, I would just hold on to him and keep rolling him because he was, he was, you know, had 37 yards week one, but the snaps and routes were there. He didn't do much when Love was hurt, but in the two games back with Love, he's the Titan 2 last week and currently sitting as the Titan 1 this week. Yeah, I mean, maybe you stay in those flames, even if you're dealing with the Laporte decision because Dobbs was out.

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We already have the injury to Watson. Wicks can't catch. Talk about that in a minute. Muskraves out due to injury, so Kraft is viable. Brock Bowers, beautiful, 8 for 97 and a touchdown. Should have had two. If you saw the play that they, Sertan picked sixth, easy little throw and catch to Brock Bowers for a touchdown. Kittle, 8 for 64 and 1, great game. 12 targets. It's been very good. Kittle's been awesome. Yeah. And then everybody not named Mark Andrews. Isaiah likely had two touchdowns. Oh, that's what I was going to say. My son's team, I thought he's own three. And I was like, let me help you. He hasn't been asking for help. I was like, let me help your roster. Sure. He's been just jamming Isaiah likely in there every week. Oh, you got to take him out. And I was like, I got to get this dude out. Two touchdowns. Two touchdown. Now, to be fair, 13 yards. But still got two touches. Charlie Kohler, three for 64 and it touched him.

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And then Mark Andrews, four for 55, also should have scored in this game. Yeah. Kind of a bad throw to him on the outside and didn't get into the end zone. But he is just a dark throw play right now. He is a let's hope and pray. And he dropped his first target again. Look like he was going to get goose. Got involved at the end. The last two weeks, one target, no reception, goose. And then we're like going into the deep in the third quarter or something where it was. He had one target, no reception. I was like, oh, my goodness. I mean, this was seven fantasy points where we're happy with Mark Andrews. So that's not where you were. And they scored 41 points. He's in a couple of my leagues. I started him in two thirds of them. I'm thrilled with that seven and a half. I was, I'm like, yeah, I imagine you are. Yeah. Don Perry on, pop the top. Oh, yeah. This is a celebration. All right, let's talk some duds. Poopped in his big boy pants.

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Well, Josh Allen's got big boy pants. And they're full of doo-doo. It didn't work out. And Brock Purdy. A lot of people started Brock Purdy this week against Arizona. 19 for 35, just one touchdown, two picks. He was my quarterback in our Draft Kings lineup. I still won thanks to the rest of the lineup, but pretty much sucked. Yeah. And then the big boy pants, people were fitting him. He had seen it Taylor. He was actually sliding them on and then Sam Darnold. While they were being put on. Yeah, ruined them. They ruined them. This is not good. Losing Aaron Jones hurt? They've got a bye week coming up now. The Vikings do. Then they come back against Detroit. I will certainly start Sam Darnold off a buy in Detroit. At home against Detroit. For fantasy purposes, it was a pumpkin. It was a pumpkin game. Yes. Running backs, Breeze Hall, nine for 23. I will say this. The.

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He had 74% of the snaps, which was good because Brayland Allen is a problem. You know, he's getting involved and he looks good in his own right. But the behind the scenes metric said, Breece is still the one that they're trying to utilize. Their offensive line was terrible. And Minnesota is a very good run defense. Here's this next week will be a really important week for Breece Hall. It's Buffalo. He struggles against the run. But I just want to point this out. Like the offensive line is not getting, they're not like trading for a new one this week. Right. He in three of, I'm sorry, in four of five games, he's sub three five a carry. So the last three, three point four point four and two point six. So he's not making a lot of his opportunities. Two for 14, three for 14 in the passing game. They're not throwing the ball.

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to him the way that they were. Like he was such a better fantasy asset. Last year was Zach Wilson. For sure. For sure. So do you think if are you, are you, are you, are, what do you think of him about that knee and ankle injury for Aaron Rogers? Like, get the backup in there. Check it down to Brees. I, I don't know, man. I think Brees is just a change expectation situation. Like, I think there are a lot of people that would never trade him because they drafted him where they drafted. And now you can think about trading him. Like.

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You know, I know I was trolling you with offers, and this is not a setup for you to trade me, Breece Hall because I no longer want. Don't worry. I won't. I no longer want him. But there were times, you know, another great week from, we didn't mention him. James Connor was amazing. He's so good. He went up against San Francisco. Concrete. Yeah. They keep calling him concrete on the, on the broadcast or like Mark Sanchez did it. Yeah. He made this name up from nothing. Yeah, I've never heard of him. Concrete before. But it's great. Now we just yell concrete every time he.

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But James Connor's been incredible. He's been one of the most consistent running backs. But you can start to talk about conversations about Connor, about Brian Robinson, Jr. Like, Breeze should not be untouchable. That's my only PSA to the world. Like he shouldn't, you could be trading. I think people would trade for him at near number two pick value. And you might get RB 13 the rest of the year, RB 15 rest of the year. And, you know, that would. Do you feel the same way about Bijon? 100%. 100%. Who are you more? Even Travis ETN. Who are you more confident in rest of season, Brise or Bijon? Bejean. I think so. Better, looked better on his touches, better offensive confidence right now. And when the going gets tough, Aaron Rogers is just going to take over the, you know, snapping chuck system. I mean, 22 targets for Garrett Wilson. Maybe you should have thrown it to Breece Hall. Yeah. Zach Moss, very.

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Terrible game. Chase Brown looked so much more explosive in this game. Jerome Ford disappeared, tons of foreman snaps. And wide receiver, it's not looked good with Marvin Harrison. No. So I want to bring his name up because seven more targets, only two catches on those targets. His catch. What's his catch rate on the year? Take a guess. It's got to be sub 50%. 49%. Wow. So 35 targets, 17 catches. They're not in sync. And what's crazy is. You look at Michael Wilson, go pull up Michael Wilson's catch percentage because it's the same quarterback. And obviously they're running different types of routes, but really not that different types. Wilson's been down the field. I mean, the catch percentage for Wilson, 73%. Yeah, and Marvin Harrison, I love that he's had the touchdowns. He still had some, you know, he had a big important play towards the end of the game to help. Fourth down conversion? Yeah, to help bring it home for the Cardinals. But.

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something's something's off. I mean, I will say this, just eyeball test. Brian Thomas Jr. at this stage right now looks way better than Marvin Harrison on the NFL field. Malik Neighbors is obviously looks way better on the field. Yeah, Harrison's situation is tough. He's at 16.4 catch, so they are down the field more. Wilson is, Michael Wilson's at 11. So like, obviously you're going to have a catch percentage difference when you're targeting people down the field more often and taking shots. Like when Cotter's in trouble, he'll just throw it up. But I have not seen Marvin Harrison make an impressive contested catch outside of the back of the end zone touchdown against the Rams. On 35 targets, he is not, the 50-50 balls he's not coming up with right now. And so it's just something to monitor. He's a rookie. He's going to get better. I think the expectations for someone like him were so extravagantly high.

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that when you just see him being a good rookie and not like the best rookie of all time, we're super disappointed. What do you think he is on the year? Wide receiver 20. Close. 17. Okay. All right. Debo in the same game disappeared. Oh, my gosh. Debo was non-existent. I mean, the 49ers really struggled. They lost at home. They're having. Red Zone woes. If you didn't watch the game, they lost their... Did you hear that, by the way, Falcon? The 49ers lost at home. Did you hear that? To the Cardinals. To the Cardinals of all teams. How are you feeling about that? I noticed a striking lack of paraphernalia. Where's all your Niners gear? Oh my gosh. Why aren't you wearing Niners gear? You forgot all of it. I'm going to go cry again. Okay. Now, you have you have not done well in the NFC West right now, which is...

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Your division. Yeah. They lost the Rams. They lost to the Cardinals. Now you go on the road to play Seattle. Did you know that you do that in a short week, that it's Thursday night football? If we lose to the Seahawks on Thursday, I won't be here Friday. Because we'll fire you. No, diarrhea. Yeah. All right. Just letting you know, if you lose, you follow that up with the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah, this is good. Cardinals could take that division. I'm just kidding. All right, D.K. Metcalfe, four, four. Wow, we got a lot of these. He fumbled. He'll be fine. Yeah. We had Jordan Addison. They kept trying to get him the football. The secondary for the Jets, in particular, not sauce. But who's on the other side? Kyle remind me. Reed? DJ Reed. DJ Reed looked great in this game. And so ironically, he was the one shutting down Jordan Addison. Deontay Johnson, Xavier Legate.

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Yep. That was the sound. A couple of farts. It's very difficult to throw on Chicago. You can run on them, but you cannot. They are one of those funnel teams we talked about. They're a run funnel. Here's a conversation. I don't think it's going to happen for George Pickens. No? In the current environment, no. George Pickens doesn't have. So right now, George Pickens is giving you a usable game 35% of the time over his last 17 games played. This. year, you would have been happy you started him maybe twice. And neither of those games were top 15. So you're just putting him in the, in the matchup category? I'm putting him in the matchup category. I'm putting him in the, if they switch the quarterback category. I'm putting him in the, I said it before the week. I would try to trade him because of the fact that they're so deeply, like the rumors are not stopping with Pittsburgh and Devante Adams. Right.

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The snap count for, I don't know if you saw this. I did. Pickin's snap count was reduced for one of the most comical reasonings that you've heard from Mike Tomlin, which maybe it's fine and right, but it's not fine and right for all the other elite wide receivers in football. They gave him 56% of snaps because they wanted more, they wanted more high-level play on the snaps he's in there. Yeah, I understand what he's saying, and I understand what you're saying. There's a lot of wide receivers out there. The best of the best wide receivers don't need to. take drives off and be limited on snaps because they get tired. And if that's happening to George Pickens, that's a problem. But that was intentional. They intentionally limit his snaps. And their goal was to maximize production. It sounds backwards. And it didn't work. No, it did not. Two for 29 in a game this year. Three for 26 last night. He is a, like, if you have Mooney or how do you not play Mooney? I mean, right of George Pickens. Right now, Mooney just looks like an every week start. And then how to Jalen Tolbert this week?

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Or George Pickens. I would play Pickens there. The matchup is, you know, against the Raiders. I would, I would do that. Okay. Because you want, I mean, one big play. Let's talk about the guy that I think is the biggest. Disappointment? The biggest disappointment of the week is Dantavian Wix. Dantavian Wix was the biggest fab spend. Everybody who got him spent a ton. But Jason, seven targets. He must have delivered. He delivered. the ball to the ground. He's a really good wide receiver. Technically. At getting open. Yeah. At running routes. He's, uh, he's got the size. He's prototypicals, you know, 6-1, 205. Um, he is a good wide receiver. He's got one issue. And it's a big one. He's not good to catch it. No, he needs to be able to catch it. He's not a good catcher. And so I think like,

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he's got to have the money to buy a jugs machine, right? Yeah. I'll bet they have them. I'll bet the Packers have them. For sure. So I would just... The receiver part of the receiver is really where he's struggling. And the thing is, they're not routers. This wasn't just this last week. So last week, he was the wide receiver three. Okay, he was five for 78, two touchdowns, monstrous performance. That's why people picked him up and the opportunity with Dobbs being out and Christian Watson being out. Last week. But what did we watch? We went back and watched his film and he's open and he's earning targets. But he dropped so many passes last week. We just forgave it because he got two touchdowns. I think he was won for the first seven targets last week. Not on the same page. It was Kraft this week. Jaden Reed. So seven targets worked. Process worked. The opportunity was there. He beat people down the field and he got the target and earned it.

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Everything was perfect except he just didn't close his hands on the football. He missed the most important part of the receiving. How closing? How happy was Dobbs every time that, you know, his replacement comes in and drops the ball? Because he's out there just, you know, he was disappointed with his targets. This is why. This is why Jaden Reed was the story of the offseason. And it wasn't, literally, if you can project everything that happened so far this year, It was talked about. Christian Watson's injury prone. Is he playing football? Nope. Romeo Dobbs. He seems unnecessary to the offense. He's so unnecessary. He just skipped practice because he's mad about it. And then Dontavian Wicks is just super talented, but he's a backup for a reason. He was not already the starter. I think bright days are ahead for Don Tavian Wicks. The targets were there. I'm not going to go away from him. I'm going to start him next week against Arizona.

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because he is going to catch the ball eventually when you get seven targets and everything else is there. But your point is you are saying all offseason just the best wide receiver on the team is Jaden Reed. Yep. You were pretty bullish on that. And it just seems so true. It's not the only situation that was stuck in the mire that was the best man rose to the top. Nico Collins in Houston because Tank Dell is another conversation. Tank Dell right now is not playable. Tank Dell had. Nico Collins knocked out of this game, you know, and Tinkdale put up four for 38. Monday punday submissions were very Tinkdale, stankdell, you know, focused. I really wanted you to rattle off more. It felt like you had you were going on a list and then you just stopped. I just feel like I don't want to draw. Sure. Like Tinkdale's a very talented receiver, but it's been, it's been bad. It was Nico, a whole, it was Nico all along.

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And if Nico is gone this week, what do you do? I would play Tank Dell over Dantavian Wix if Nico was out, yes. Okay. Yeah, because, look, you said you'd play Wix. Wix is not a must play for me this week. He's a maybe play. He's a flex. What are my other options? Like, I'd play Mooney over him. The fact Dobbs would be back out there. Like, Dobbs is coming back. So, like, the plan is he's missing this game and coming back. But it's Arizona. We just saw you go crazy against him. It's a scary. I'd probably play wicks over pickings. Okay. Wicks and pickens. Here we are. Keenan Allen and Adunzee were not the featured targets in Chicago, Cortland Sutton, Sutton, and then at tight end, Dalton Kincaid. They need him. They need him so bad, and I'm starting to question the talent. Well, Alan missed him on what would have been about a 70-yard touchdown in this game.

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It was just a missed. I mean, we talked about it at the top with Josh Allen. He looked atrocious in the game. He completed 9 of 30 passes. This was not a Dalton Kincaid problem. Yeah. 30% of his pass is completed. That's impossible. But you don't have anybody to take the pressure off of him. Yeah. And regardless of him not being evaluated for a concussion, you probably had one. Probably has one. And he's probably going to play next week. I don't know. That's scary. The Jets next week. You know, it always looks like Kincaid's supposed to have a game. Well, they need him. I mean, that's the thing. With Khalil Shakir out, who apparently is the engine that makes the bills work, they have to have someone else step up. Keon Coleman is not a good separator. He's going to have his touchdowns, you know, his 50-50 balls and the big play of, you know, occasionally. As a rookie, that's who he is. I'm not saying he can't develop into more, but right now he is not a go-to every down.

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wide receiver who's just going to get open. That's not even what he did in college. So who they need more than anyone is. Stefan Diggs. Sure. I mean, yeah, throughout Devante Adams, that's who they need. But they need Dalton Kincaid to step up and just rise up and put the offense on his shoulders. And I don't know that he's capable. Six targets you'd be really happy about, but the two catch is pretty, pretty terrible. I mean, his. His target pace on the year, what do we think that is? It's not what you projected and what I projected. I would guess 80? 81. Okay. You're guessing today is you're guessing at a better hit rate than Harrison's catch rate. You know what I mean? Right. You're Michael Wilson level. Yeah, I feel like I'm guessing it better than a Michael Wilson level. And then the Muth got Luth, like let the ball get Luth on the ground. Yeah, he did get a touchdown, which was great, but.

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When most of your fantasy points come via a touchdown and then you fumble, you lose some of those fantasy points. All right, waivers day tomorrow, Jason, it'll be a big one. We've got streaming quarterbacks to talk about a fantasy draft redo on Wednesday matchups, the wheel of shame. It's not going to be me. Oh, it's not going to be me. Nope, nope, it's not going to be you, Jay. All right, Mike. Mike gets to walk into the, you know, it gets to dance with Dowdle and then spin that wheel. That'll be a fun Friday. I, yeah, I'm excited. All right, that'll do it for today's show. Check out Jointhefoot.com. If you want a little extra, want to support the independent podcast. And shout out to the Ducers over there. Thanks, guys. Go Cardinals. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on join thefoot.com. And follow us on Twitter at the FF ballers.