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Jason introduces the real statistical word 'tertile' in the show's turtile pronunciation. It sounds like either a shelled animal or defecation, sends the bottom third into the bowl, converts Kupp's final third into a turdile, renders Goedert a turtile placeholder, and returns for the final Faceoff captain.
The courtroom quotation plays in full, then the 2025 bumper shows Andy shouting in an oversized powdered wig behind a small podium and Jason shouting beside him in a black zip-front courtroom costume. Mike is absent from the prerecorded graphic but present live before and after it.
Andy says he historically opposed drafting and relying on rookie tight ends because the bet failed for a decade, but the last two broke the pattern. He recalls admitting by Week 1 that Brock Bowers was awesome and telling listeners to trade for him.
The hosts dispute whether Sam LaPorta earned his production or was schemed into empty field, joking that a cart pulled him down the sideline. Repeated attempts to reach his ranking end with 'Good season in my butt,' and the later defense is halted when an unlabeled host effectively calls twelve double seven.
The Andrews season becomes a Six Flags roller coaster that starts badly, plunges underwater until riders nearly drown, and rockets upward just before death. His three-reception floor later clenches the butt cheeks until touchdowns repeatedly release them into loose cheeks and fiber.
The show document orders Tucker Kraft skipped, but Mike is explicitly identified as wanting him to receive time. The detour produces a failed 'athleticism' word, an apparently unlimited Kraft allotment, five claimed minutes still remaining, and a final pairing with Goedert that Mike explains: he likes his nasty-boy tight ends.
When the three hosts try to place themselves into turtile/trifecta language, another host reminds Mike that he alone is in the Ring of Honor. Mike acknowledges the distinction and receives sarcastic congratulations.
The final Faceoff of the year has no punishment because no football was played the prior week, though a host calls his lineup punishment enough. The real bumper shows Andy and Mike but not Jason; live coverage returns to all three, and Goedert becomes a bottom-turtile captain.
Complete review of all 40 storyboard sheets plus targeted direct-video frames shows Mike, Jason, and Andy as the only live people: Mike sits left in a gray cap and plaid overshirt, Jason center in a black cap and glasses, and Andy right in glasses and navy. Jay Griz, a cardboard bear, a fourth host, a live producer, Deucer Cam, the Wheel, a physical punishment, and a live costume are absent. The opening supplies direct Listener League canon. Super Bowl Sunday begins 2025 UDK preorders; purchases before March 1 create a chance to win a Listener League spot, while Ultimate Foot Clan members receive automatic entry. No ticket or entrant graphic appears during the pitch. Jason's new statistical word becomes the main language gag: thirds are 'turtiles,' the word suggests either a shelled animal or defecation, the bottom turtile belongs in the bowl, and Cooper Kupp's final third becomes a turdile. The recurring courtroom dialogue then launches a real Truth bumper. In this older version, Andy wears an oversized powdered wig behind a small podium and Jason appears in a black zip-front courtroom costume; Mike is absent from the bumper but remains live. A crucial attribution check protects the film's rookie-tight-end canon: the host who says he historically opposed drafting rookie tight ends and admitted by Week 1 that Brock Bowers proved him wrong is Andy, shown speaking alone—not Jason. The remaining tight-end debate yields dialogue-only props. Sam LaPorta gets carted downfield, his good season ends 'in my butt,' and doubling seven touchdowns becomes seven-times-two-equals-twelve math. Mark Andrews becomes a Six Flags ride that nearly drowns riders before rocketing upward; his low reception floor clenches the butt cheeks until touchdown relief produces loose cheeks and fiber. The hosts also impose a Highlander rule: only three elite tight ends may exist. The show document says to skip Tucker Kraft, but Mike fights for time, a host crashes 'athleticism' into 'athletics,' and Mike still claims five more minutes. Another host admits Dallas Goedert was included only as a turtile placeholder, even though the word had already appeared. The desk then reminds Mike that he alone occupies the Footballers Ring of Honor. Fantasy Faceoff closes without a Wheel consequence because no football was played the prior week; one host says his lineup is punishment enough. Its produced bumper shows Andy in a gray quarter-zip and Mike in a black blazer over a colorful shirt; Jason is absent from that graphic but stays live. Goedert becomes the bottom-turtile captain, and Mike closes: 'This is what I do. I like my nasty boy tight ends.'
to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. Everyone's here today. Thursday, February 6th, last show before the Super Bowl. So we can get our thoughts in about that. We were just talking today about how we were at the Super Bowl the last time that the Chiefs and Eagles. squared off it was out here in Phoenix actually Glendale but it was exciting at the time and I even before the game like the game was awesome but before the game when we were talking this week of like it's chiefs it's Eagles these two awesome offenses these two great quarterback that I mean it was like a dream come true matchup and now just a few years later it's Chiefs versus Eagles and and it's like oh that sucks
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if we speak for everybody on that. Obviously, we don't speak for Eagles and Chiefs fans. Oh, of course not. But like, I have found myself slightly looking forward to it more than I was at the beginning of the week. And, you know, this storyline, Sequin, the birthday, the opportunity with the just, what an unreal season that would be to leave New York and win a Super Bowl. You got the three Pete, which good news, good news NFL. They've got a license now. They've negotiated with Pat Riley. Oh, they did. They worked out a deal to be able to use the term three Pete in the event that the Chiefs win. Wow. Pat Riley going to be cashed checks. Own those words. Yeah. Yeah, that's smart. We got to do, we got to get four Pete right now. Does anybody have four Pete? We don't, but we did. What about four score? They're going to try to say that, aren't they? We did learn a new word. That involves three.
Jason, you don't remember your word? Oh, I do. I do. Absolutely. Because it's specific to the tight end episode. Yeah. We're going to talk about the percentiles and how they come and they're going to be broken into turtiles. So that's the word. That's English. That's real. It's real. I'm not saying something foolish or stupid. No. I'm talking nice math words like turtile. How did we stumble into this? Because I was like, a quartile. We all know it like, oh, you're in the upper quartile. So that means you're in the upper fourth. And I was like, what's the same thing for three? And we, you know, is it the third? You don't hear that very often. No, because it's turtile. Sounds like it's either got a shell or you're taking a dump. Yeah, it's something. It's something. Yeah, so you can be in the upper turtile if something. Of course. Or the bottom turtile. If you're in the bottom turtile, you're in the bowl.
So, hey, we're back. We're back. Yeah, we've got the final truth episode today, the tight-in truth. Super Bowl this Sunday, if you've been with the show for a while, you know what that means. That means Super Bowl Sunday is your first opportunity to pre-order the 2025 ultimate draft kit, the UDK Plus. We do a very special, very special promotion that launches on Super Bowl Sunday. UltimateDraftKit.com, if you pick it up before March 1st. Starting Sunday, you get a chance to win a listener league spot. You get the lowest possible price. We're keeping the price the exact same this year. You get access to the Dynasty Pass with the UDK Plus. The Dynasty Pass when it launches on Super Bowl Sunday in four days, it will have all of our Dynasty startup rankings, all of our rookie rankings, our initial pass through of everything. Obviously, those will change. More players will be added in.
We'll have several updates post-combine, post-NFL draft. But it's good to start early and get to know these players' names. All that will be in the UDK Plus. It's launched so soon. Yeah, Sunday. Go get in there. And if you are already an ultimate Foot Clan member, you got nothing to do, but log on and use the content because you already have access. You won. Yeah, you already won the prize. And you're already entered into the listener league entry. the chance to come and play with us next year. So that is big time ultimate draft kid.com. Go check that out. We do have a little bit of news, a couple of topics, one major topic we want to talk about. News and notes from around the league. Well, a friend of the show, Cooper Cup announced on social media that the Rams are looking to trade him. He turns 32 in June. He disappeared from the second half. Yeah, the target pie. It wasn't the whole year.
It was the final turtile of the season, really. Yes. The turdirtile. The turdile, yeah. For him, it was a turdile. Yes. I've never seen anything like this that I can remember where a player announces that the team will be seeking a trade. I kind of like him taking control of it. Oh, it's great. I don't blame him for doing that. He even came out in his social media post and said he disagrees with their decision. He expects to add some quality football. And honestly, I think he will be an important piece to a passing game next year in the NFL. I mean, I'm not saying he's going to be a fantasy sensation for, you know, being a wide receiver won by any means. But we saw this with Adam Thielen. I say you can go Thielen somewhere. Exactly. But Thielen was a free agent, right? Right. He was a free agent, but he was older.
and changed teams because the team had kind of moved on from and said they were not going to give him that contract. I think he was 32 when he moved. And went and was pretty valuable for the Carolina Panthers. So I could see that happening with Cooper Cup. But, you know, usually like Miles Garrett comes out and says, I'm requesting a trade. Or the team lets people know, like, you know, we will be looking for a trade. But this was the first time I can remember a player coming out and saying, hey, breaking news, the team wants to trade me. From.
Week 15 through the playoffs cup had an 11% target share and average 29 yards a game. Yeah. So, you know, in that regard, that's not going to make a team excited like they might have been five games before. But he did come out on Twitter and say that the team will be working with me and my family to find the right place to continue competing for championships. I don't agree with the decision and always believed it was going to begin and end in L.A. I saw freezing cold takes, found a nice tweet from the Rams organization. Oh, no. That showed a picture of Cooper Cup and Pooka and, you know, it only comes as a package deal, only comes as a package set. They're breaking up the set. Let me, let me, you know. Can be sold individually. Apparently they can. Jordan Whittington. Yep, I was going to bring him up. Can we talk about, I mean, this is a fantasy football show. Cooper Cup, yes, he might find.
That'll come with the quarterback to me. If he finds a destination where you've got a quarterback, it's Kansas City, they lose T. Higgins and he goes to Cincinnati, something like that would really excite me. But what about the Rams whose offense you already know is going to be very proficient? You know Puka Nakua is. Oh, Puga's a stud. The guy. But what about Jordan Whittington or, you know, I just saw today, why is his name escaping me? One of their other wide receivers. DeMarcus Robinson? Keep going. 2-2. He's going to be gone. So he was a free agent. He's not coming back. So a lot of opportunity. Yeah. So Whittington last year was a sixth round pick. He had a good training camp. He was one of those players where the buzz, like the drum beat, got louder. And then he had a pretty good performance in the preseason. So he was a player that was, I mean, he's a six round wide receiver who was now on the radar for the dynasty community. And then he had a couple opportunities, you know, like weak.
Weeks 4 and 5 where he actually played the full allotment of snaps, 97% and 92%. 6 for 62 and one of them, 7 for 89 and the other one. This is like this is by no means a declaration that Jordan Whittington, that's his job for sure. But it's with the depth chart the way it is, Whittington feels like the most natural to fill in what Cooper, as in Cooper Cup's role. So he's an exciting player that. I can't imagine he's on waiver wires or anything like that for Dynasty, but he could be someone that you take a, a little bit of a flyer on because the return. Like trade a third for him right now. You're not going to get, I mean, I have Whittington. You won't get that out to this news. You're not going to get a, you're not going to get it done for a three. So you would, you'd be having to pay. He's more of a, if you're making a trade with a team that has Whittington. Like, oh, let's.
Let's get him, let's just toss J. Dubbs in this trade here. Those breakout weeks, they were without Cooper Cup. Right. Which is important to know because obviously he's gone. However, they were also without Pook and Akua. During those weeks three through seven, those are the weeks that Cooper Cup missed. The target share, Tutu Atwell, was the highest at 25%. He's going to be gone. Jordan Whittington was the next highest at 18% in the very beginning of his career. For which? For the, for weeks three through seven. Oh, you're kidding. I wasn't counting Weeks three. Weeks three, he played 38%. I'm just saying the weeks that Cooper Cup was out. I got you. Because in the two weeks where he was a full-time player, he was 28% and 22% of the targets. So he seems like a natural replacement unless the Rams make some sort of splice. Well, and the Rams would be candidates to draft a wide receiver too. Yeah, I fully expect. Saying goodbye to Cooper Cup, saying goodbye to Tutu Outwell. I think they're going to go try to find.
another Robert Woods, the same way that they find an average, you know, a Darnell Mooney type of asset on the free agent market. A veteran? Yeah, a veteran that's not going to cost what Cooper Cup costs. Travis Kelsey during Radio Row opportunity here during the Super Bowl, said he has a lot of good football left in him. They asked about retiring. He said, will I be here in three years? Hopefully still playing football. So it'll be a different. period of time for Travis Kelsey fantasy-wise. Yeah, I mean, it already is. Kelsey is always the number one tied in. Even last year when he finishes the number two, I believe on a per game basis, he was the number one tight-in tied with Laporta. Oh, two years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two years ago. And then, of course, this last year fell down to Titan six. He is going to be very frustrating.
I think, for fantasy football. Because we've seen it in this playoffs. Like you had what, I don't remember which round it was. I guess their first game because they had the buy. And it was like, Travis Kelsey has this huge game. And then Travis Kelsey has like 16 yards or whatever it was. It was extremely low. So knowing what he's still capable of if they funnel the offense through him, like he could still get a bunch of volume. He had, you know, three weeks from weeks eight to 10. 12 targets, 16, 12 targets where he was the tight end 4, 2, and 1. And then he absolutely disappeared. So it's in there. He can still do it, but it will not be a week-to-week thing. So we'll see what the ADP shakes out to be. Yeah, he'll be the starting tight end, but you will not know whether to start him all the time. Yes. Or at least you'll get there. I mean, Antonio Gates had four years at the end of his career where he would give you prolific performances.
He'd finish in the top 12, two of those years. But it wasn't the old school numbers, and that just makes sense. And you're going to get weapons back. Rashi Rice missed most of the year. He will be difficult, Mike. It will. And this is, it's just, you know, thinking overall greatness of that is Travis Kelsey. And I heard someone mention the ages because they were like bringing up Gronk, you know, because Gronk's one of the best of all time. Do you know how old is Gronk is compared to Travis Kelsey? He's younger, isn't he? He is born. So, Gronk born May of 89. Travis Kelsey born October of 89. Wow. Oh, okay. Like Travis Kelsey, Gronk has been gone forever. Kelsey's still putting up crazy numbers. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens with that offense. I think that's it by way of news. Let's go ahead and jump right into the truth.
You want answers? I think I'm entitled. You want answers. I want the truth. You can't handle the truth. All right. Our final truth episode, the tight end position. Pretty interesting this year. The most receptions by tight ends in NFL history. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I think they had almost, wasn't it like a quarter? Over 100 million receptions, yes. I think they had a quarter of all the receptions in the league. 24%. Almost. Yep, yep. And that's a big number. And it was pretty high last year, too, just under 23%. Thanks, Brock Bowers. And last year, thanks, Sam Leporta and Tram McBride's breakout last year and McBride doing it again this year. So, yeah, I mean, if you talk about a trend, we could do it again, right? Warren from Penn State. I mean, we could first round, tight end opportunity.
If it's becoming more and more a part of the offense, you know, we had three tight ends this year, finished with 95 or more receptions, Bowers, McBride, and Travis Kelsey. And that would push my thesis to be more of this is a, this isn't a trend of the NFL. These are stars who are have found themselves into good situations that they can actually shine and be the focal point. It's nice. It's a changing of the guard. You know, we had the studs for a long time and every five or six years. You know, the gronk and Jimmy Graham changes. And then it becomes the Kelsey and Andrews. And now it seems like it's Bowers and McBride. Yeah. And, you know, Leporta will be in the mix. And the Kelsey Andrews kiddle generation will start to fade. What's really.
cool to know about tight ends is the truth of tight ends series is that the new generation only comes when the old generation leaves we can never have good tight ends across the board that will net basic basic math is tight ends suck across the league tight end suck and here's the proof for that and this is why turtile came up okay turtile came up because Dallas Goddard who is not that good I think he's fine. He's fine. I think he's a good NFL player. I agree with that. I agree with that. I'm saying for fantasy football, where I'm fantasy. For fantasy football, Dallas Goddard made no difference to you, right? He was, he didn't, he helped you a week or two when, when there were injuries to AJ Brown and Devante Smith. Dallas Goddard in our consistency metric is our tight end seven. And that sounds really, really good. And I want you to remember that it's still Dallas Goddard.
So it's not that great. And he busted 44% of his games. Almost half of his games were a bust. That was not the bottom turtile. That was the middle turtile. And so I just want to give you an example of like, we could have just said thirds. But we didn't. Titans as a whole are very inconsistent, not great. It does separate those. If you can call your shot and get the right tight end at the top, it is a true difference maker for fantasy. And then if you don't get one of those guys, they all suck. Don't spend middle round picks on them. Here's a crazy stat. The Ravens tight ends, 18 receiving touchdowns for the Ravens. So overall tightens have had a lower percentage of the team's red zone targets despite those other receptions going up. But the Ravens not to blame there.
That's as many as the Cowboys, Colts, Giants, Rams, Panthers, Chargers, Jags, and Texans combined. Wow. They could use some wide receivers. Or maybe that's just not how Lamar's made. No, I think that's... Maybe Lamar just likes... Yeah, because Bateman had, what, nine? Yeah, yeah. So a reminder for our final truth episode, we're looking at Weeks 1 through 17. We're looking at consistency. You just got a little bit of a summary of what we're going to find, but... Yeah, we're looking at weeks 1 through 17, classifying tight-end performances above 15 points as great games, above eight as good games. That's not that many points. That's not that good, but it's good enough for tight-end. Yeah. The bust games are below five and a half points. Which means that 44% of the time Dallas got it was under five and a half points. And not in the bottom turtile. So, tight-ins are yucky yuck.
Number one, though, George Kittle? Boy, he was good. George Kittle, number one in consistency, number one in fantasy finish, drafted in the fifth round. I don't think we've heard the name George Kittle enough as one of the best steals of the draft. I agree. How was he in the first half? Number one. How was he in the second half? Number two. He was in a lot of categories for footy awards because he deserved to be, and we can recognize that this was a wonderful draft pick. This was a... fifth, sixth round draft pick that was the number one tight in on the season, super consistent, helped people win. And he got no votes in any category. It was like he was not even like the runner up. Maybe at the tight end position. But he has no respect. And what's funny is there's a lot of things that will be made. Brandon Ayuk's injury, Debo going away. Now George Kittle is going to be a year older. And I don't feel like George Kittle is going to skyrocket up.
and be a first or second round tight in next year. He's not on early best ball right now. He's the tight in three in the late fourth round. The previous three years for George Kittle, he finished as the tight in five, three, and four. Yeah, I'm with Jason. I think George Kittle is very exciting if things kind of hold up for the 49ers. Eight, you know, it was the second most of his career, but very consistent. I mean, uh, consistency-wise, 86% good, 50% great games and 7% bust games. So, you know, who are you going to count on when you look at the San Francisco offense at this point? Right. Is it Iyuk trying to come back from injury? Is it Ricky Pearsall as a sophomore? I mean, it's George Kittle. Yeah, and George and Brock, I mean, Brock Purdy. Like, they have a...
seemingly a real connection when it comes to you know touchdowns you had he was so kiddle had eight this year which for kiddle that's actually a higher number he's he's had one outlier season at 11 it was six two years ago but remember that was that was a fine for kiddle i feel like he spent years with like four touchdowns on a season yeah it's like just him him and bertie seemed to be getting it done 21 red zone targets that's crazy 33% of all routes inside the 20, which was number one among all tight ends. That is, yeah, it definitely speaks to a different quarterback being kind of more focused on him. He has 31.2 years old in the final year of his deal. You love that. So don't extend him, make him work for it. You know what I'm saying? Go get that shmoney, George. Number two, rookie Brock Bowers. He's not 31. He's 22 years old. He was a seventh round pick.
His consistency rank was three. Number two in the first half, six in the second half. Great games, 25%. So half as many as Mr. George Kittle. Good games, 69%. Nice. Busts 13% of the time had to deal with a carousel at quarterback, a carousel at wide receiver. Devante Adams leaving Jacoby Myers missing time. Goodbye Gardner Minshu, but you knew from like week one. that everything everybody said about Brock Bowers was 100% true. And you knew it almost instantly. Yeah, I mean, I was, you know, I have historically been very anti-grabbing rookie tight ends, relying on them because for a decade every year, people do it. And it hasn't worked until the last two. Week one, I remember coming in. It was like, okay, what's your early you were wrong?
from the whole draft season, and I was right off the bad, like, trade for him. Brock Bowers is awesome. He is that dude. He's the number one tight end being drafted right now in Bestball head of Trey McBride, despite not knowing the quarterback situation. And I think it's just I would take him ahead. He doesn't seem like Leporta. Leporta finished as the tight end one, but we knew on the truth episode last year, we were talking about, It wasn't as great a tight in one season as we had recently seen, and he was really inflated by touchdowns. A percentage of his fantasy points that came from touchdowns were very high. You know, you're talking about a number one rookie season from Brock Bowers, who only had five touchdowns on the season. It did coincide with, you know, the loss of Devante Adams, and he became the de facto number one target for the team. But that's not going to change going into next year. He lined up all over the field.
He had more total targets than Travis Kelsey has ever had in any season. Is that true? Yeah. I did not know that. 153. Well, that's exciting. And 99 of the 153 were short area targets. So that's zero to nine yards. You know, I don't think that there were a ton of Raiders games being played on national TV this year because they were not a very good team. You might not have got to watch Brock Bowers to see how it came about, but here's how it came about on a regular basis. He finds a spot in the zone that is perfect like he is a 10-year vet and gets it, or he just is bigger than them can take these DBs, these linebackers, and easily shed them off and get some yards after the catch. It was him. He had the same.
Target share is Nico Collins, 24%. The same first read target share is Mike Evans, 28%. The same first downs per outrun as Justin Jefferson at 10.8%. And the same yards after the catch per reception as C.D. Lamb. So there's nobody I want more at my tight end spot than Brock Bowers for probably the next eight years. I was surprised to see he has currently picked 16 on Underdog. So that's where the number one tight in is going because he's being drafted as the number one tight in. But it's after the first round. He's not a first rounder. He's, you know, middle of the second. How do you guys feel about that? He'll be a first rounder. I think he'll be like at the one, two turn. 11, 12. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it'll make more of a difference in redraft. I do. And we have, you know, we got Chip Kelly here. Yep. As the new OC. And oh, I forgot about that. Heck yeah. And just went back and was trying to remember exactly how it happened.
which, you know, brought me down the memory lane of Zach Ertz, like the career that was Zach Ertz of when he, when Ertz was on the Eagles, for, it felt like forever. We were screaming like, free Ertz, man, get this dude the ball. He's like, he's, he's such a, he's such a good player. He's a good tight end. We need to feed him. And it took a bit, but, you know, the, uh, Before the downturn of Chip Kelly, so this is 2015, it was Zach Ertz with 112 targets. So it's not something that's with Chip Kelly. Yes, this is not something that the Chip Kelly offense is opposed to doing. That's good to know. And if you want the differential in my mind with, I think honestly Brock Bowers and our next guy we're going to talk about, Tray McBride, their neck and neck in terms of the next few years, performance wise. It's probably where the touchdowns go.
but three-year gap amazingly between Brock Bowers and Tray McBride, who is still very, very young. We'll talk about him in just a minute. Number three, Tray McBride, 25-year-old Arizona Cardinal tight-in, number two in consistency. Number four in the first half, number one in the second half, the most consistent tight-in in the second half of the season, multiple number one performances. 73% good games, 33% great, 13% busts, all with two receiving touchdown. That's wild. 111 for 1146 and 2. What did Brock have? Reception-wise? No, touchdown. Brock was at five. Okay. Which is not crazy. Five receiving. So I guess then that's only one more touchdown then, right? Didn't McBride have? I thought McBride had a rushing touchdown and then the fumble recovery. Yeah. So they were close. Yeah. And McBride, definitely the first read in the Arizona offense. It wasn't the season.
Cardinals fans expected from Marvin Harrison. And it doesn't matter the strides that Harrison makes because we're talking about a situation that is going to be very Reggie Wayne, Dallas Drake. You know, like this is going to be a centerpiece. He's going to get paid. He'll be the highest paid tight end. And. You know, Jason just talked about. At number seven, you got 50-50 shot of a complete bust. Like McBride, Bowers, these guys are going to give you reliable target numbers every week. And that is my favorite thing with the tight end. Just let me know that you've got a high target share. Right. That you're getting, I mean, the touchdowns are going to come and go. For these two guys, you're going to have much better seasons touchdown-wise than you just got. For years.
It has been when you look at your matchup on a weekly basis and your opponent has Travis Kelsey, you're really not. You're like, oh, that sucks. I'm already taking like a seven, eight point loss at this position. I've got to make it up elsewhere. That's your hopeful. Right. Yeah. You're hoping you take a seven point loss, but you might get three touchdowns on you. And it seems like. These two guys, at least Trey McBride and Brock Bowers, I think they'll be neck and neck this coming season, depending on who has more touchdowns. They're a difference maker. So I will be drafting them very, very high. Right now, as the tight end two, he's going in the middle of the third round, which seems like a wonderful value. Yeah, I love that, Andy, you're alluding to it a little bit, just of the, like, Trey McBride and.