Fantasy Draft Re-Do + Hungry for More, Thursday Night Preview - Fantasy Football Podcast for 10/11

Croyne injury will not practice today. Ah, McGroin. Goodness gracious. So he's off the board for your number four pick too, Mike. Yeah, he, I thought about it. Oh, my God. That offense is so bad. Sorry, that's it. That's the end of that sentence. Yeah, no, there is no, there is no, it's, that offense is so bad. All right. At number four, there's, I think I got three players who. I think are worthy of being selected here. So it's just how do you want to play it? And I'm going to go, man, if I really had the choice, I think I would, I'd go Cooper Cup. I think that he, I think he's back. And high risk. Look, there's, I mean, even Austin Echler, who I'm sure will go in the next two picks, he carries risk as well. But Cooper Cup was back. And not only was he.

back on the field. He was right back to, hey, Cooper Cup run, the offense runs through him and Puka. But Cooper Cup is, I think from here on out, is just lock him in. He's a top five wide receiver. We spent a lot of time on The Hungry for more with our three picks, but my honorable mention I was going to throw out there was Matthew Stafford. Because with Pooka, Cooper Cup, two, two out, well, Tyler Higby, Kiron Williams capable out of the backfield, like the regression to the mean. the positive regression for Matthew Stafford in terms of touchdowns, it is coming. And he's throwing the ball a ton. Their defense is like middle of the pack. Like they have Aaron Donald and a bunch of young dudes. And so they're just, he's having to throw so much. I do think Matthew Stafford is a very interesting player rest of the season. Yeah. And especially this week against our Arizona Cardinals who. Dead last in pass rush percentage. 17% of the dropbacks they put pressure on the quarterback. Which is crazy because it's like they're, they're.

pressure to sack ratio has to be extremely high because they actually do have a decent amount of sacks starting to fall apart yeah yeah we got juiced up by sam howell yeah he held that ball so i i'm going to i i said at the second pick i was between austin eclaree and tyreek hill i am going to take austin eclare but it isn't a even several picks later it's not a easy home run pick there's another running back yeah there is there's another running back that I mean, really, if push came to shove and I'm on the clock, I might draft that running back over this running back. But I do like this offense so much more. We know Austin Ackler. I mean, he's been a top three running back the last three years. He's been the number one running back. The only week we saw him this year, I think was the running back three on the week. It was dominant. But Mr. Josh Kelly filled in so admirably. They don't need him.

Yeah, that's even better. So, yeah, I'm going to take Austin Echler here. I think he deserves to be a top five pick. And like I said, passed his by. Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Austin Echler is a great selection. And we know, you know, Mike Williams is out and we're sitting there hoping that Joshua Palmer, who's never done it, steps up consistently. And Quentin Johnston, who's never done it, steps up consistently. Those aren't the answers. It'll be Echler. Yeah. I am stuck between. sexy and reliable at the number six pick because sexy would be to kind of make the selection of Bijon here. Yeah, that was the other player I was. But I do, but my reliable, no, Mike, it's not Stefan Dix. Oh. It's David Montgomery. What? Yeah. I mean, I'm all in. I'm Montgomery. That's when you look at, when you look at the players right now that are not.

heading to IR or the bench, which is Devon A. Chan and Zach Moss. Montgomery is right behind. He's the next one behind CMC in points per game. The Lions are one of the best offenses in football, whereas I do not have that confidence in Atlanta. Bejohn obviously represents the ceiling. But like the Atlanta's offense, it works dysfunction into a regular form. Like we thought, I mean, you guys, we all had Bejohn in our. Draft King's lineups last week. Right. Now I'm seeing Bijan show up on buy low list as though someone's going to sell him low. I don't think that's happening. But David Montgomery, like, to your credit, David Montgomery doesn't have a, like, isn't you not going to have random games where Tyler Algier takes 17 carries? More carries than Bijan this past week. I mean.

I understand that Jamir Gibbs is going to be worked into this offense, but it will not be at the expense of David Montgomery's opportunities. David Montgomery, through four games, is on pace for almost 400 carries on one of the best offenses in football. I'm going to do what I think is the smarter play. I'm going to take David Montgomery at six. Oh, wow. So you're telling me, if you had Bijon Robinson right now, you should go offer him in a trade for David Montgomery, because you'll get him. I think that... You have a plus. I'm just saying... Oh, for sure. Don't just go straight up. Get David Montgomery Plus. I'm saying that it's not what anybody wants to do. But when the season ends, you might have wished you've done it. That's all I'm saying. Because if David, let me ask you this. Change David Montgomery's name to Jamir Gibbs. Same production. Right. Same carries. Same touchdowns.

you would trade Bijan for Jemir Gibbs in two-tenths of a second based on that production. Yeah, because this would be a young explosive athlete that you haven't seen be mediocre for years. I don't like the last part because he hasn't been mediocre compared to his offensive line. Like his metrics of yards after contact and breaking tackle numbers, all of those things have been pretty elite for David Montgomery for a while. And I demand you give Najee Harris that same. leeway. You can give Najee that leeway, sure. Not saying the not just the offensive lines bet. But you, I saw you tweet about broken tackles and I was like, oh, Najee. Yeah. I mean, so. Hey, look at you. So it's Tyler Algier. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because some players, they don't need to break tackles because they just miss the defender misses them. It is an ironic stat where when you break tackles, it means you did let a player get to you. Like, you know who doesn't have a lot of broken tackles, I'm sure? Devon A. Chan.

Because he's not, he's untouched. He's just like, see you later. I'm just saying, like, and you admitted it in the way that you responded there. Like, if it was Jamir Gibbs's name, you would do it. It's because it's David Montgomery's name, and that is ignoring everything else. I like it. So I think David Montgomery is a better pick for your team than Bijon. So genuinely, Andy, would you say if you have Bijan, you should try to get David Montgomery plus something? You really want this sound bite. No, no, no. I want the, I want the actual. If you think David Montgomery is better than Bejohn, is it? I think they're back to back in this draft. I don't think you have to go do that. But you disagree with me. But you could get extra, I'm sure. I'm sure you could get David Montgomery. There's a world where that's the smarter move to make for sure. And another player. It's not like Bejon doesn't have Alger taking snaps. David Montgomery will have Jemir Gibbs taking some snaps. Both players will be the lead. Both players can catch the football. David Montgomery is following up a season where how sexy is Jamal Williams, guys?

Not sexy. And how many touchdowns did he have last year? 7,000. And how much better is this offense now? I mean, this offense is even better. I mean, Mike's had Jared Gough as a starting quarterback every week, and I looked at the numbers because I'm facing you. And I was like, this is like a starter. Yep. So I think it's just accepting on face value what we have seen to continue. So that's where I'm going. I think very specific, like it won't work in every single league because if you were going to do something like that. And the. the manager who has Bijon has a strong upgrade to another starter position. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world. I do really, I mean, it's hard not to take Stefan Diggs here, but the once we're out of this range for running backs, it starts to get pretty gross. And the production hasn't fully been there yet for Bejohn Robinson, but the player is, he's too good.

So I'm going to take Bijon here. Yeah, I'm going to solve my RB1 problem. That's great. Yeah. Bejan Robinson. What is the, Kyle, you would know this maybe off the top of your head. What's the points per game comparison between Detroit and Atlanta? I'll look it up, but probably a lot. Yeah, I mean, that's what. Speaking scientifically. I mean, we've kind of, we've said that before, right? Like the, I don't know where Sequin's going to go in this draft, but the offense is going to be a factor. Yes. So, Jason, I think there are, I think there are some really, really sneaky, smart, strong picks right here. There really are. When I look through the list of names, if I was to say who I want on my team the most right now, you know, there's, there's.

sneaky names like oh my gosh yeah sorry jason uh Detroit 29.6 points per game Atlanta's at 16.6 so you talk about like I will bet my house Montgomery scores more touchdowns than bejean the rest of the year for sure he will I don't I don't doubt that but I do think that the ceiling is still higher with Bijon to I don't know yeah I mean I don't know if it is Yeah, I'm just glad he brought it up. That's because that's spicy, and it's not, that's not hot taking just to be hot take. I don't want to be the David Montgomery guy anymore than anybody else would. But I do think it's the right call. And Jason, you are on the clock. I think I know who you're going to select. Hmm. I don't know. So this will be very interesting. I did want to look up. So Jamal Williams last year was the running back eight.

total on the season. Oh my gosh. The running back eight and he has half of the ability to break. I mean, Dave Montgomery has just looked apart. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so here I am. There's a bunch of interesting names here. I'm still not at the spot where I will look for a quarterback or Kelsey because I did wonder where quarterbacks would go. There are just too many really, really solid options. I am in a position here where I'm looking at the safe option versus the gamble. Stefan Diggs being the safe option. He's been unbelievable. It's been so good. And the gamble being a guy who hasn't done a thing this year and Jonathan Taylor. What? You're forgetting somebody. I'm going to help you. Okay. You're forgetting somebody. Yeah, you are. You're forgetting somebody.

But, I mean, I'm not surprised because you don't love them like you think you do. You're forgetting Brees. Oh, no, no, no. You'd put John and Taylor ahead of Brees Hall. He would 100% be in the conversation here as well. Oh, man. Look, I made Brees my start of the week last. I thought it would go. I made Brees my start of the week last week because it was very predictable to see that this Denver Broncos defense that can't stop anyone and just gives lanes for speedy running backs to smash. fear a weekly basis on the floor for Brees because of this Jets offense. How long do you think it's going to take JT to get up to speed? I think it happens quick. I think what if it's three weeks, though? What if it's three weeks of a timeshare and then you get into like. That's what I think it will be. Like Brees doesn't hit 50% for three weeks. Yeah, I mean, that could happen. Those two guys are.

To me, neck and neck, I like both. But what we saw with Zach Moss, the utilization, not just the performance, but like the carries, the targets that were coming his way, was in the pace of play for the Colts, the fact that they weren't some slow offense. Like Stuyken is running a good offense here, and you put Jonathan Taylor in there, I think he's going to be special. That being said, I'm going to take Stefan Dix. There it is. There it is. Dix can't go any lower than this. He has been so consistent, so reliable. He has one week so far outside the top 24. Only one week, one of those weeks were he was the wide receiver 15. Otherwise, he's been a top six wide receiver every week. He's just awesome. They did come out and talk about Anthony Richardson is going to miss four to eight weeks with the injury.

So that'll be interesting. And I do. I mean, Zach Moss is playing so well over five a carry this year that I wonder what the distribution and workload will be. He broke the Tennessee record. It's crazy. Yeah. So that gives me some pause. Obviously, Jonathan Taylor's a better player. This perfect. And number nine, and I know Brooks will say, go faster, go faster. That was his voice. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This is perfect because the two players at nine. Are two players I just saw in a trade and somebody asked if they should do it. And I don't know the answer to this. And I'm going to decide my pick based on it. The number two running back in football right now is Rahim Mostard. Devon A. Chan is out for an extended period of time. He has been in and Mostard is still sitting at two on the year. Mostard has eight touchdowns. He has seven on the ground. They're the most prolific offense that the NFL is seen since the greatest show on turf Rams.

in terms of every measurable. 70 points will do that. Well, yeah, and beyond that, I mean, every single week, they're just putting up, you know, 530 yards of offense or something per week. So you have the best running back on the best offense, Rahim Moster. And then you have Brees Hall. Brise Hall, who is more of a workhorse prototype, more total touches per game, rest of the way. Delvin Cook is cooked. And I saw somebody say, hey, do I go trade Moster for Brees Hall? I could see that being the right move. I think my answer was, yeah, you probably should. I would. But the variable thrown into the mix is this H-N injury, where, like, Jeff Wilson, his 21-day window is open, but he ain't there yet. And then Salvin Ahmed is going to play second fiddle to Mostert. Mostert seems like the most beautiful vase you've ever looked at. It is unbelievable. You stop and you gasp and you say,

Oh, that Voss. And it is on the... Like, what dynasty is this for it? It is on the tiniest little pole. It is standing, you know, it's like, do not... You're like they should secure that with something more... Do not walk near that vase. Now, you say that because you're afraid he's going to get hurt. Yes. Because he's always gotten hurt. Yeah, like Brees hasn't. Sure, but I mean, I would generally go with the younger athlete versus the older one. I'll take Brees Hall. Running back, New York Jets. Okay, I like it. All right. And, man, Rahim most... This is fun, by the way. Is this? I'm very entertained by the forcing us to make these calls because this might as well be a trade episode. Yes, that's what I was just going to bring up. This is like the ultimate trade value of what you believe in these players rest of season. Oh, man. The running backs...

I mean, Mosterts in the discussion. Kenneth Walker's in the discussion. There's three running backs who are definitely in the discussion. Tony Pollard? Yeah. So maybe even four. But I'm going to, I'm going to stick a wide receiver here. I'm going to take what I think is a layup. I'm going to take Keenan Allen. Really? Yes, I am. What do you mean really? Well, no, he's been unbelievable. I feel like he's, he has overperformed a little bit. He's, he's unbelievable. I think he is, I think with the Mike Williams injury, and I know they play two completely different parts of the offense, but I think that Keenan Allen is just going to keep on doing what he's doing. You want to know what, you want to know what's sitting next to that one Voss? Oh, yeah. There's another beautiful Voss in Keenan Allen that is.

He's got, he's on the same stand, man. No, his base is a little wider. He's sturdier. He missed some games last year, but that was the first time in a lot, a while. Okay. It's sturdier. It's sturdier. And he, dude, he's going to eat. He's going to get so many receptions. I think from here on out, the wide receiver discussion is extremely interesting. Devante Adams had the shoulder issue. That recovery, the recovery should be. full very soon. Prior to the shoulder injury, he was absolutely dominating. You have A.J. Brown, who looks just like, you know, the dude. You could throw Mike Evans out there. I mean, Mike Evans was on pace for 150s. We've heard that he's good to go, but he is.

He passed his by week, but he's a 30-year-old coming off of a hamstring. There are a lot of different ways you can go. And when you talk about the running backs, definitely Rahim Moster is super valuable. He's going to be great. He's going to be the starter. But I would put him personally behind the Kenneth Walker, Travis E, TN. Interesting. You know, I'm going to stick with the younger athletes that I think have the gas tank and ability to make it the rest of the season. If push came to shove, and this was a real draft, that's how I would, I love Moster, I want Moster, but I would want whatever young stud running backs are available over the aged veteran. And so here, Tony Pollard, certainly in conversation, there's so many good ways you could go. But I believe, and this is not an anti-Zack Moss take. Zach Moss has been excellent.

But I really do believe Jonathan Taylor is a special player that we are forgetting how good he is. I think because it's been sight unseen, you know, we're going to remember by the end of the year going like, oh, yeah, he wasn't like he wasn't a pretty good player. I think he's going to help people win championship. So I'm going to take Jonathan Taylor here. I think if I didn't take him here, it seems like he would go several more picks. I think he'll go later in some people's mind. He wasn't that superstar last year. That's part of it. Last year he wasn't, he was fine. Last year he was okay. Last year was a calamity of coaching and offense and quarterback that was a disaster while he worked through the injury that played him through the season that he got surgery for. Obviously he's coming back from that. But what I've seen was like,

Coming into this season. New quarterback. I mean, same situation for him where there are those variables. Coming into this season, I was not super high on Jonathan Taylor. This was a player that I worried with the quarterback and the new coach and all those things. But what I'm saying is from what I've seen the first month and how they've utilized Zach Moss, how they've used this offense, the scheme. I'm really confident in the Colts outlook. What are they going to do with Moss? I think Moss will become a 30 percent. type of player. I think by, you know, whether it's two weeks from now, three weeks from now, Jonathan Taylor will be 70% of the running back room and Zach Moss will be 30. All right. At 12, I'm going to take Raheim Mostard. Okay. Running back. Oh, man. This is, to me, this is a phase. I've made my decisions on some face value stuff and not the invisible hopes. I,

And my David Montgomery and Moster picks are two of the best offenses in football and the best running back on those teams. It makes sense. I don't blame you for any of that. Because what I'm talking about with ETN and Kenneth Walker is kind of the invisible hopes you're talking about where it's like I'm just banking on youth to win out over the course of the season. Right now, they absolutely aren't. I mean, they're great, but they're just, you know, they're not. Most of it's been. really great. I like Eton more than Walker rest of season. I think Walker, you know, the touchdowns were there. The passing game work isn't and I like Charbonnet. So, you know, E.TN was in contention there too, but I'm going with Moster. Mike, you're up. It's, uh, it's Travis Eton. I take my huge L on him. I thought that Tank Bigsby would be played a lot more. Uh, I mean, he's, he's still the archetype that I thought he was of like if the big play doesn't happen.

You can get floor games from Travis E.T. We were so close to one happening. It didn't happen. So I'm not taking that away from him because he does hit the big play with such frequency. But there will be games throughout the rest of the season where it doesn't work and you end up very, very disappointed. But he has looked fantastic. And I think that it feels like it's a matter of time for the Jags to get their offense fully clicked. It's not totally in focus, but you can see what it could become. Yeah, that's the player I would have picked here. I think there's a little bit of a tier break. Kenneth Walker's in consideration, but I would agree with obviously both of you that prefer Travis E.T.N. ahead of them. Now, while Kenneth Walker is in consideration, I would not take him over the likes of A.J. Brown and Devante Adams when I'm deciding between those two players.

I'm going to take the guy who is currently healthy versus the one that will take another week or two coming back from the shoulder. So I will be drafting A.J. Brown, wide receiver one for the Philadelphia Eagles. Yep, very good pick. I was in consideration for my number 12 overall. I'm going to pull the trigger here at 15. I'll take Travis Kelsey. Tight end. Maybe you've heard of him. Like I said, the A dot, some of those numbers, they haven't been as high as in the past. It's called Unfair Advantage. You get it every week with Travis Kelsey at your tight-in position. Yep. We're speeding up here. It was, I took E.T.N. over Walker, Walker, but it's, it's just a fraction. I think they're both. Now, Pollard, Walker over Pollard? Oh, man, Paul. Because I want to remind you. Yeah, I'm looking at, I got to go back to my list. Yep.

Man. And also, Kyron Williams is in the mix at running back. Kyran is, he is such an interesting player because he's 87% of snaps. He is getting all the work. He's looked like a competent starting running back. When I watch Kyron play, it's not, ooh, that's a special player. It's, no, he's, he's the guy. He's adequate for it. But, I mean, you want to talk about overproducing. Touchdown wise. In terms of touchdowns. And you saw it. What happened with Kyron this past week? I don't think he scored. No, he didn't score. Yeah, so running back 30. You know, 13 from 53. That's a solid game. Only two catches. That's down from what he's usually putting up. But he will be kind of hot and cold and give you a solid floor and then the spike weeks with the touchdowns. But I don't think he's going to come through with top 24 performances regularly if he's not scoring. The Pollard.

Dude, the Cowboys offense is so broken. Did you guys get a chance to? Kurt Warner broke down a few plays from the Dallas Cowboys. And he's bringing a quarterback perspective that we can't, because all we see is DAC throwing interceptions, you know, this past week. And Kurt Warner broke down the routes of what the play was. And he's saying, these players are not giving Dak a chance. Like the... The actual offensive philosophy of what's happening, there are small details missing. That is that the mistake looks like it's on DAC, but the play that's being run is they're screwing it up. Well, I mean, look at this offseason. I mean, Brandon Cooks has not, that has not worked out for them. Dalton Schultz, they left. We say, okay, Ferguson's producing numbers, but in terms of targets, but all of the.

like separation metrics for Ferguson. Maybe maybe Ferguson should have three more receptions, four more receptions a game just based on this offense. But he is in Dalton Schultz. It has been dysfunctional and they miss Kellen Moore. Yeah. So that was the wider point was yes, we are back to dunking on Mike McCarthy and it feels good to be back. It feels really nice. He was riding high and it was like, oh man, the mic. Were we wrong on Mike McCarthy for those first four weeks? No, man, we were super right. But I'm going to take Kenneth Walker because I believe more in the Seattle offense than I do in what the Cowboys are putting out there right now. Yeah, good discussion. I'm going to, this is easy for me. I was between AJ Brown and Devante Adams last time around. There you go. Voltae Adams is here. I will take them. All right. I'm going to take Tony Pollard and, you know, not.

overreact to a San Francisco matchup and a disappointing performance. I'll take Tony Pollard for the Cowboys. You guys, okay. I was wondering if I was going to get to share these numbers while I set up a pick because these guys, this is incredible. What if I told you there's a quarterback who has 1,143 passing yards, 11 passing touchdowns. And then, oh no, I lost my page. Sorry, let me get back to it. There's another quarterback who has. 1,287 passing yards and 10 passing touchdowns. That's, that's pretty similar. Very similar. Do you have any clue who those two quarterbacks? One of those has got to be Kirk Couss. I think one of those is Justin Fields. One of those is Justin Fields. Oh, wow. The other one is Patrick Mahomes. Okay. What? What? Yeah. Well, when you have two games, when you have two games like he has had. That is unbelievable.

That's a perfect way stats can get. Yes. I mean, like, you can say Fields is playing as good as Mahomes because of his numbers, but Mahomes isn't playing up to Mahomes right now. Right. So also funny in that. Points per game, Mahomes is seven. Justin Fields has 191 rushing yards. Patrick Mahomes has 154. So it's like. These two guys are right next to each other. That's what I've always thought about with the Spider-Man Giff. I've always thought that's Mahomes and Justin Fields. That's right. Wait, you're the same. You're mean. Exactly. At this point, I'm going to take the gamble that Chicago has figured it out, and they have actually unlocked DJ Moore. So I will take him here. I will take him here. Wow. Now at this point, you're making decisions that go, you know, like Jefferson.