Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - Explain Yourself! Ranking Debates & Hot Takes

32 yards after contact per game. That puts in third in a per game number. He had 4 and 14 yards total after the contact. That's seventh in the league and that's only in 13 games. The guy is an absolute stud, but he can't stay healthy. And here's the reality too. If you told me Joe Williams is going to be a starter, I'm not going to anoint him a top 12 position because this team isn't very good either. Carlos Hyde, he was on the field beyond week five, wasn't he? He was on the field a lot.

He had Monster Games. He didn't score a touchdown from week five on. I would remember how bad his team was. That's what my point is. My point is that even if he is healthy for a good part of the season, you are capped at that touchdown total. If this team cannot get in the red zone, give him opportunities, Joe Williams in the backfield, they have the traded for Cabri Bribes, whatever the situation is in that backfield. Right now, I clicked on Carla's side on ESPN, and he's still got a questionable sign next to. That's not even a joke.

He's got a cue next to his name. I think they started putting that on his jersey. I think drafting, they put it on. Yeah, there's a hide on the back with the red cue above his name. They just put a little Velcro patch. And when he comes off, the other coach rips it off and go, hey, you're doing good. You get a pee. Oh, my gosh. All right. Even though the pee is gone. Let's flip this over to Mike. Hey, we got a review the other day that said, hey, once I heard that Mike, like, I almost said Laguerre blunt.

That he liked Latavius Murray more than Dalvin Cook this year. I had to turn the show off. You are a polarizing man, Mike. Now, it's worth saying, you know, as this show is, what we are defending here is the minority opinion. So this is Mike, I don't think either Andy or myself possibly agree with you here. Yes. So this is about Dalvin Cook because me and Mike, I'm sorry, Jason and myself have Dalvin Cook at 22 and 23. Mike has Dalvin Cook way down at 45. Yes. Say what?

And here's the thing about the review is what bothered me was it was accusing me of thinking Latavius Murray was a good running back. And if you followed this show for any length of time, you would know that is unequivocally false. Yes, thank you.

I have never supported Latavius Murray. And my point is simply, I think that the Minnesota Vikings gave him $5 million, and they're going to use him. I understand Dalvin Cook's the new hot draft pick. But last year, you had Matt Aziata and Jerich McKinnon. Who's the better running back? Yeah, you're right. Who's the more talented guy? I know. I know. Aziata is on the field way too much. He's on the field a ton. And not only is he on the field, he was the goal line guy.

They said Jerry McKinnon, we're inside the 10. Hit the bricks, son, because it's Matt Aziata time. If he gave me the tuba sound, everyone knows what Matt Aziata is about. And it's just the snaps, Aziata was on the field for 42% of snaps. Jared McKinnon was on the field more at 56%. My argument against Alvin Cook, who is a...

I think a better talent than Latavius Murray is simply... And better than Jared McKinnon, you to agree, right? Is, yes. He's a better running back than Derek McKinnon. It's my argument is just they're going to use Latavius Murray. I feel very confident that Latavius Murray will be the goal line back. Dalvin Cook may get work, but also, Derek McKinnon is not just going to be benched. They will still give him snaps here and there. So instead of just two guys, now you have kind of two and a half.

Like what's Charlie Sheen's show, the two and a half men, because Jerich McKinna, who's, I still have estimated he'll get 15 to 20 receptions. Here's where I agree and disagree with you. When it comes to Latavius Murray, I actually agree to a point. I fully expect him to be their goal line back. They didn't bring him in for no reason. Dalvin Cook is not a big bruiser. You have Latavius Murray who has had double digit touchdowns in the NFL. You could say it's okay, it's the Redskins line. But if I'm a coach.

Oakland's line. Yes, Oakland's line. If I am a coach, I'm putting Latavius Murray at the goal line. He has shown me that he's got a nose for the end zone and can get the job done over Dalvin Cook. But where I disagree with you is how much you think McKinnon is still going to be involved. You just talked about how.

They were pulling McKinnon off to get Ozziata on, and then they go out and they sign Latavius Murray, and then they go out and they draft Alvin Cook. I don't think they like McKinnon that much. And I think Cook will, I think it's going to be mostly a two-man show, and Cook will thrive with the small pepper targets from Sam Bradford. So that's why I have Cook much higher than you. And I won't linger on Cook too long, but I agree with Jason. It's one of the reasons I don't love.

Kyle Rudolph because I don't think he's going to have to be the only peppered short target anymore. You have Dalvin Cook. You have him in the backfield. I think we all like Danny Woodhead. Yes. It's the same type of application here for me and Dalvin Cook. High utilization and a half point per reception league, I just like him more than Tavis Murray. Now, if it seems like they're going to commit to Dalvin Cook as the passing down's back, then I will absolutely move him up. McKinnon had 43 receptions. Oz Yada had 32. Jason's right.

they throw to the running back a ton, or Sam Bradford at least did last year. I don't know if that's what they really want to do, but they were forced into it with their offensive line was a disaster. So last year, the final thing was, is Matt Ozziata running back 38, Jerich McKinnon, RB 30. It's, my argument is they're just going to cannibalize. We got another Donner party situation here. Yeah, it could be a bad situation. I agree with that possibility. They're not a good running team. They weren't last year.

it's time to turn our attention to maybe the most debated guy in our studio certainly over the last week and a half in fact i had to ask myself before he did this segment whether we had done this segment already because we've done it around the office uh we've done it over the course of the ultimate draft kit we just did our our player profile videos at the wide receiver position so we just had this debate in in brevity

Let's talk about Terrell Pryor. And the defender's self goes to Jason because he's got Pryor way down at number 30. Trell Pryor signed by the Washington Redskins one-year deal to come in and be a big piece of that passing offense. Everybody freaked out when Deshaun Jackson, Pyrgyarson left Washington. Josh Jackson coming back was injured most last year, high draft pick. And then Turel Pryor has arrived. Troll Pryor, great year last year. Jason, defend yourself.

And then I'm going to talk after that. Sure. I know you've got some juice on why you believe you're right. And here's the deal. I love Threll Pryor. No, you don't. No, no, no. You don't like him. I like him. When he first came over, I thought, man, he was, you know, he was a wide receiver, too, with the Browns. And their mismash of quarterback garbage last year. How dare you insult Charlie Whitehurst? Now he comes over.

to, you know, Kirk Cousins and a good offense. And I'm like, how is he possibly go down? But then I look at it realistically. I mean, the truth is there's no way he can't do anything but go down. And the reason why. Just wait to hear how I look at it. Sure. Well, would you say Terrell Pryor was good with the Browns last year? I would say Trall Pryor had a very good year. Yeah. Would you, can I interest you in a little more than three receptions and a little more than 50 yards?

for 0.1 touchdowns per game? No, no, no. Because that was what he did when Cory Coleman was there, and he wasn't the only show in town. How many games was that? That was six. That was six games, which I think is plenty when you're talking about a single season. But let's shift over to look at the Redskins. Okay, the Redskins have Kirk Cousins, a guy who I think is obviously world's better.

than the Cleveland Brown quarterback. But a guy... How dare you insult Kevin Hogan? But a guy who spreads the ball around. Do you want to know that... Look, Terrell Pryor is not as good a wide receiver as either Pierre Garson or Deshawn Jackson. Now, they're all different types, but at the end of the day...

How in the world a first year, single-year wide receiver converting from quarterback could be better than these Pro Bowl wide receivers who knew the system and had years with Kirk Cousins, I would be surprised. But neither one of those guys, despite Jordan Reed, the actual main target and main red zone target being gone for half the year, despite that, which is like the best situation for their wide receivers, they didn't have a top 30 wide receiver last year in fantasy football.

Either of them. So now you're telling me, Terrell Pryor, the second year wide receiver is going to come in. Josh Jackson, who they drafted is there as well. They did sign Brian Quick. They have Crowder. They have Jordan Reed. And all of a sudden, I mean, how many targets could he possibly get? Last year, if you look at the targets, you know. Garsohn had 114. Deshaun Jackson had 100. So let's say somehow that he gets more than even Pierre Garcone. He's going to get 115 targets.

Okay, last year, he got 140 targets with the Browns. Yes, the targets will be better per target, but that is, that's not a small gap. And so that would say he goes down. And keep in mind, I mean, when he was with the Browns last year, he was throwing the ball. I mean, I think he wildcat ran in a touchdown. And I talked about Kurt Cousins, his numbers on the regress impress show of,

that I think that the yardage is sustainable, but I think that his touchdowns were too low compared to what his colleagues had done who were throwing up at that yardage level. So the difference is if he's getting those targets, but he's scoring instead of three or four touchdowns, which Garsohn and Deshaun Jackson did, if you put him up at seven or eight, then he easily makes that jump into being a wide receiver too. Yeah, I mean, last year, Charles Pryor.

First year as a wide receiver. First five games with a guy named Robert Griffin III. With Robert Griffin the third. The ghost of Robert Griffin. With Robert Griffin the third, Terrell Pryor's fantasy points per game was eight with RG3. Every other quarterback that you gave him, he was over 15 a game. That's probably. At the wide receiver position. Very similar to when Corey Coleman played.

Sure, and you've made the wrong connection, and I've made the RG3 connection. Look, 140 targets, yes, you keep bringing that number up, and you want to just extrapolate it over to Washington. Maybe he doesn't get 140 targets, but that's not some insane 170 plus number. That's 16th best per game in football. If he's a one, that puts him, he can be a one in the 16th ranked position there and still get a sustainable target number. Piergarsan, I don't think he's ever had double-digit touchdowns in his career. He's not a prototypical big type of guy.

You heard Jay Gruden come out this week and say he's the most unique athlete he's ever been around. Jay Gruden just said that this week. He's working with Randy Moss and Michael Irvin this offseason. He thinks he should have had over 1,500 yards, and he's right with what happened last year. Deshawn Jackson, I cannot, the biggest thing I can't get behind. Do you mean Terrell Priore or Pierre Garson? With what? You were saying Pierre Gerson is the most unique athlete. Did you mean Terrell prior? 100%. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Jay Gruden came out this week and said after working out with Trail Party, he's the most unique athlete he's ever seen. And he's working with these big-time wide receivers. To me, the hardest thing to do is to say he's better or worse than Deshawn Jackson or Piergerson. He's completely different. Deshawn Jackson has never, he's had one season in his career, which is like nine seasons of over 62 receptions. He's not a high target, high reception type of guy. He's a big play down the field.

type of guy. And so I'm with Mike on the touchdown totals. Those should rock it up. He's an actual viable red zone option. Piergarsan's never been that. Deshawn Jackson's never been a viable red zone option. He's a down-the-field type of guy. So for me, all the pieces are in place to say, I can't imagine him having a worst year in Washington. With 120 targets, I think he outperforms what he did last year. Well, I could say this. The top 24 wide receiver, so, you know, a wide receiver two last year and a half point scoring.

Only two of them were under 120 targets. So you're going to need that. And those two were Tyreek Hill who got a bunch of special teams touchdowns and Richard Matthews who had that on a sustainable touchdown rate. To me, if you can't promise me 120 plus targets, you're not going to be a wide receiver two according to my projections. It's fair. All right. We're going to close the show out with one final name.

A name who, uh, he's talked about. He's talked about because he was a, a hot commodity in the draft. Devante Parker was taken by the Miami Dolphins and he was kind of, he's kind of languished in a land of nothingness while his counterpoint Jarvis Landry is forced fed targets. Jason and I have him in the low 40s.