Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - Explain Yourself! Ranking Debates & Hot Takes

And we said... 52.48 on my feet. Well, that's because the old people follow you, Andy. All right. Wait, but 52% said it was... Milk duds are not old people candy. A win is a win, man. You've got to deal with these things. But one of the things he certainly loves is Brandon Marsh. Brooks, what are your thoughts on milk does? No, Brooks. Brooks, what do you think of milk duds? I am all on your side, Andy. Yeah, that's right. They're delicious. They're not exclusive to old people. That's right. And old people can... First of all, when I told my wife this...

She said old people can't eat them. They'll destroy their teeth. You kidding me, their teeth are indestructible. They're right. But anyways, on top of that list of things that Andy loves is Brandon Marshall. A lot of people love Brandon Marshall. Wide receiver now for the New York Giants. The NFL Hall of Fame is going to love him. So we have a wide margin here of our rankings. So Andy, explain yourself.

Brandon Marshall is one of the best wide receivers the last 10 years. He has the skill set to continue. Like milk duds. No, that's the last 100 years. Look, Brandon Marshall, I like him so much that I've had to temper my excitement for Brandon Marshall this year. And it wasn't something that happened when this trade took place. When the trade took place or the signing. The signing took place. And he went to New York. It made me think, okay, ancillary piece. But the reality is that nothing.

that I've seen on film tells me Brandon Marshall can't do what Brandon Marshall has done. And when you look at the numbers for Brandon Marshall, I don't believe. Here's the fundamental piece of this puzzle to me. We all know Alpha Dog, his name's Odell Beckham Jr. But the fundamental piece of this to me is, do I believe that Brandon Marshall has lost a step? No, I don't. Do I believe the targets are going to be there for Brandon Marshall? I do. When Brandon Marshall played with a very highly skilled, high fantasy value,

Wide receiver 2 in the past because he's always been kind of the alpha dog, right? When he had another piece, he was always better. When he played with Alshan Jeffrey, the target numbers were higher, the touchdown potential was higher and the receptions were the same. When he played without him, they were lower. When he played with Eric Decker, all of those numbers that I just said were higher or the same. When he played without Eric Decker, they were lower. So to me, I've seen this history where, look, Brandon Marshall has lived his entire career.

being heavily double, triple covered, and it didn't matter. And he was a high enough reception guy. Now you put him on a team where you have Odell Beckham Jr. to worry about mismatches with Evan Ingram. I personally believe, I have him at 17. I personally believe that he has enough left in this tank to make a big mark, and he always has potential for double-digit touchdown. So for me, those two, look, I've been the last guy to get on the wide receiver two draft pick train. For me, it's 1A1B at this point in New York in terms of talent.

And I can, for me, Brandon Marshall, everything's going to come down to the touchdowns. I agree that he can, especially in New York, he can put up double-digit touchdowns, but will he be able to do that with all the players where Odo Beckham is going to command 170-plus targets? Then you have- No way. No way does he get 170-plus targets? I don't think he'll get 170-plus targets. How many targets did Odo Beckham get last year?

Uh, 169. Right. He's going to, he's going with Brandon Marshall coming. Yeah. And with Sterling, Sterling Shepard had 105 targets. And that's, that's where I'm saying. And Victor Cruz was there. He got so you think Marshall's getting none? No, but my point is that between Sterling Shepard and Brandon Marshall, is there enough to go around to get Marshall up over that hundred threshold? And I'd.

That's where I'm not so sure. He'll take 50 of Shepherds and he'll take 50 of Odell Beckham Jr's. But there you go. No, no, no. Let's say he does that. Let's say he takes 50 from Odell Beckham. Which is only 100. Which is only 100. Keep in mind. Okay, two years ago, Eli Manning had his career high in completions. 387. That year, the second most targeted guy still only got 90 targets. So let's say with all the weapons now, Brandon Marshall can get even more than that.

and he can get 100 targets. What's his catch percentage? I mean, 69% would be great. That's easy math. That's 69 receptions.

That's just not getting it done for the Brandon Marshall who's always been 90, 95 receptions. If he gets 65. If he can get 90 receptions on 70 targets, sign me up. Yeah. So my point is I think that, you know, 65. You don't think it's enough to go around. To 70 receptions is kind of where I'm capping him. And then it just comes down to touchdowns. Which you believe he'll score very little with him at 38.

If you believe he's going to have 69 receptions and... I've got him with 7 and a half touchdowns. I've got him 67 receptions, 832 yards and 7.5. What does that put him in your standard league scoring then? Standard league, I think he's 32. So you're saying he's not even in consideration for a wide receiver 2? That is correct for me. So there's a big... I do believe Brandon Marshall has it left. And this team's going to pass the ball. That's what they've done. So we'll see what happens with that.

We already kind of talked about Martavis. So we're going to move past that. Let's talk about Corey Coleman. Yes, please. I've had a lot of dynasty interest in Cory Coleman lately. I picked him up. Actually, I had him. I traded him. I picked him back up. And now I'm getting emails about him. People want Corey Coleman. I don't have him. I haven't at 44. I have fears. I can see the upside of Cory Coleman. But Jason has him much higher than Brandon Marshall.

in that wide receiver 2 range at 26. So Jason, explain yourself on Corey Coleman. Why do you like this guy so much? And what opportunity do you see for him? Obviously, prior out the door. But Kenny Britt coming into Cleveland. Yeah. So, I mean, here's my view of Corey Coleman. When we saw Corey Coleman last year, he had, you know, some games that really electrified. You know, he had that one big, giant blow-up game where you saw what you saw in college, which is.

He was one of the best wide receivers coming out. Now, he lost a lot of last year. He was gone. And if you look at what... Broken hand or thumb. Yeah, and if you look at what the Cleveland Browns are doing going forward, right? I mean, they drafted David Njoku. What did they do with their quality tight end that was there who doesn't really fit the future in Gary Barnage? They said...

You don't help us in the future, and we are building a future team. So when I look at the wide receivers here, there's not that many wide receivers. Just like Terrell Pryor became just the complete lion who gobbled up every, he had 140 targets in that system last year. You've got either Cory Coleman is going to get the bulk, and I think he will, or you're going to argue that Kenny Britt is going to take over that role for Terrell Pryor.

I don't think Kenny Britt is who the Cleveland Brown sees their future. I think it's Corey Coleman. And if he ends up with 140, 150 targets, which that's kind of where I can see him going, he has the talent to take these balls to the house. I've got him just outside a wide receiver two. He's still a wide receiver three to me. But I expect him to be the number one wide receiver.

for the browns and we saw last year that when you're the only show in town you can get you can get fantasy production yeah and i that would be my only argument is to say he's the only show in town when you spent the money on kinney brood a thousand yard receiver would be a stretch for me i do agree that corey coleman will be targeted much more than last year he may even be the one

But to the tune of Terrell Pryor like 140 plus targets, I don't foresee that happening. And I don't think he's going to score more than three or four touchdown. So I think that's the challenge here. If you get a quarterback in place that can air it out, they can get him the ball. Maybe Hugh Jackson lets him do that. But, you know, for me, Terrell Pryor exceeded. A lot of those were slants.

getting the ball out of Cody Kessler's hands at the line of scrimmage. It's not that Cory Coleman can't do those things. He can, but I don't think he's going to be all alone in that secondary. Mike, what do you think? You have the lowest at 61, so you must have some strong thoughts on Cory Coleman. Yeah, I've slightly bumped him up from 61 since then, but it's the Cleveland Browns, if I'm reading this correctly, they had just over 3,200 total passing yards. And looking at Cody Kessler,

I don't think he's the answer. I mean, he's a 200-yard guy. And that's, unless Cory Coleman is going like Terrell Pryor where he's getting a third or so of the passing yards, which I just don't see. I don't think that's happening this season. I think in the future, the Browns are building something special. I like Deshaun Kaiser far more than I like Cody Kessler. But I agree with the draft community that said, Kaiser's not ready yet. He still needs some time. So that's why I think it's not.

the year for me for Cory Coleman, possibly next year. But you like him taking that jump this year. I think he's going to take that year to jump because he's going to go into the role of the number one and he has the talent to back it up. Before we do anymore, explaining of thyself. I want to thank today's sponsor, pristine auction.com, the absolute best. You went bananas the other day, Mike. I may or may not have gone bananas on pristine auction. Look, it's the best sports memorabilia site in the known universe. I went on there.

The other day. I saw it come through and I said, Mike, what'd you do? And he said, I stocked up. Because Andy looked at the toll and he's like, what'd you do there? And then when I showed him the booty, the loot that I had gathered, he said that he said, Balder Dash, there's no way that you got all those signed jerseys. Why don't you tell them what you got? Well, I can't, there's so many I can't even remember. You got a signed Tyreke Hilton? I can't remember this. You got to sign Tyreek Hill jersey. You got to sign Stefan Diggs jersey.

That was basically stealing. And this is an auction sports memorabilia website. So when you catch them with the right spot. And I'll just tell you, Mike snagged a signed Stefan Diggs jersey for $35. Boo-ya. That's a full jersey signed, authenticated. You can't go to the store and buy a Steppen Diggs jersey for $35. So at first I was like, Mike, what are you doing? And then Mike told me, he goes, you bought me all those frames to fill up. I'm filling them up.

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Can we jump to Tural Pryor? No, no, no. This is just a tease. We're going to talk about Troll. Okay, we're going to talk about it. I just thought maybe on the heels of Corey Coleman, go ahead. Set the stage for who you wanted to meet up. Yeah, we're going to throw it to you and talk about Mr. Carlos Hyde. Now, Carlos Hyde. If you threw it to Carlos Hyde, he wouldn't catch it. So, but continue. Perhaps.

50% of the time. Yeah, there you go, Mike. Glass half full. So I have Carlos High down at 32, and I've seen a lot of mock drafts with Carlos High, obviously going much, much higher than that. You guys have them at 15 and 21, and to be honest, cool. That doesn't really bother me that much. I have chosen. I've made a willful decision to move Carlos High down into the 30 range because you know what? I don't want any of you out there making the mistake of drafting Carlos High because I don't think it's going to end well.

I mean, before we had his name in this doc for the explain yourself, before news broke today out of the Bay Area, a beat writer, anticipating that Joe Williams could very well take a hold of this backfield, if not by season's beginning, a few weeks into the season. He is the pick, the handpick Kyle Shanahan guy in San Francisco. He's the youth. He's the piece. Carlos Hyde last year of his deal. And honestly, Carlos Hyde cannot say healthy. And that's what it comes down to for me. I'm not.

going to sit here and say, boy, when Carlos Hyde plays, he's terrible. No, he's not terrible. But you know who he is? He's Ryan Matthews. Yeah, that's probably why I like him so much. That's probably why you like him. Look, if Carlos Hyde, if you told me, boy, he's going to be healthy and he's going to be on the field, I'd say, you know what, he's going to score a ton of fantasy points. He'll be a one. And you're going to be loving him, but you're not, and he won't. And so I've got him in 32, and that's the end of that story. And I just wanted to run some numbers by the people, just so you can understand.

that Carlos Hyde is good. And I can't disagree with Andy that he can't stay on the field because he's literally never done it in his entire career. However, last year, according to pro football focused, 10th among running backs and missed tackles, 37. He had more than Zeke last year. He had 12 runs of more than 15 yards. That's ninth. That's more than David Johnson. That's more than DeMarco Murray. He had, he averaged.