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Mock Draft Episode! + Fake Muscles - Fantasy Football Podcast for 6/20

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Mock Draft Episode! + Fake Muscles | Fantasy Football 2023 - Ep. 1413

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A mock draft reveals the hosts' true roster biases: Jason drafts Miles Sanders as a potential three-down Carolina workhorse, Mike keeps chasing nasty Dallas tight ends, and late picks expose their upside philosophy.

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And so he is a guy that right now is just falling. Like you said, Andy, the shine is not on the Rams right now. So if you're drafting at the seven or eight spot and Cooper Cups falling to you, that's an auto selection for me. And he didn't. So I can't auto select him, Jason. And this is the similar position that Mike was in where, you know, Bijon went off the board. Jonathan Taylor, none of us have them ranked as high as others. Saquan Barkley is in consideration here. Stefan Diggs. His situation seems to be clearing up if you had any concerns. By the way, his situation is being like the highest paid wide receiver on a great team but still found a way to be upset. The problem was the head coach there did not do Stefan Diggs any favors when they, when Diggs.

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was apparently in the facility yesterday or the morning, and then mandatory camp started and he wasn't there. And they said, Coach McDermott, how do you feel about this? And he said, I'm very concerned. You need to check yourself. You think so? Because all I know is he was there the next day. He said, I'm very concerned. It got public pressure. And then Diggs was like, all right, I'm out here. You're mad at the head coach? I just thought it was weird. I don't know what happened. Apparently the struggle is. Not over money. It is Diggs upset more with his role and his role. Yeah, let's go get more targets for Stefan Diggs, please. Yeah. So to me, look, Sequin's in consideration. Derek Henry is so far down on what Sleeper has as the ADP. I would love to be able to bypass Saquan and take Henry because I don't, or Chub in the next round. So I guess I have to go wide receiver here. Kelsey's already off the board.

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And so it's too early for somebody like Andrews. I would never take him here. This sucks. I don't like being at the nine spot at all because I don't feel like I'm getting a value. I'm going to take Stefan Diggs. Barclay will go next. Taylor, Lamb, Mahomes. Thank you. A.J. Brown and I'm on Ross St. Brown. A.J. Brown being back here at 204 would have been very tempting. But I have a long wait for an upper tier. running back. And so I'm going to go ahead and go back to the Derek Henry well again. The quatchez cousin. The quash's cousin. Yes. This word is the best word ever. It's a tough word. Yeah. It's one we want to get right. You got your on the quatch watch. Yeah. Yeah. So Diggs and Henry, I'm fine with it. They are both for a moment.

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they're kind of the tried and true in fantasy right now. So neither of them hits like drafting Jamar Chase like Mike did or a Bijan or Cooper Cup off a rebound year. They both hit like, well, we've kind of always known what they're going to give you. But that's okay in fantasy. That's one thing you have to overcome sometimes is, you know, take players that you know are going to produce. I have no doubt that Diggs and Henry are going to produce and you don't want to whiff early. Like there's a higher percentage chance that Bejohn Robinson. I think has a surprisingly bad year than Diggs, like just independently. Now he could be the other direction and be the linchpin of your running back room. Yeah, but there's also more risk to him than there is somebody like Diggs. So we'll come back to Mike here after Henry. It was Jacobs Wilson. That would be Garrett Wilson and Devante Adams, who fell all the way to 207. So now.

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So I have Jamar Chase. I would prefer to grab a running back here. Let's see. The wide receivers on the board, they're still tasty. You know, it's the wide, it's the twos for the team, like Waddle, T. Higgins. I'm not really into trying to formulate a super stack of the Cincinnati Bengals with my first two picks. That would be a problem. It had honestly, like, if you went all in with Chase Higgins and Burrow. There's a chance that it does actually work out. Like there's been some teams in the past and the Bengals, if any team does it this year, they would be the least surprising. And then where I'm really struggling here is the ADP game of the running backs who are available because I have Mr. Ramandre Stevenson ranked very high. He is currently sitting as my running back three.

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There is one running back left in tier two when you look at our consensus rankings. Is it Chubb? It's Chub. Yeah. I prefer Ramondre Stevenson over Nick Chubb. I want a guy who I know is going to catch passes. We just mentioned James Robinson has been removed from that depth chart looking at the guys behind Ramondre is like who. Who can possibly challenge Remandre Stevenson for work in either aspect of the game? No. I think that's a profound thing to say, though, that you would prefer remandre to Nick Chubb. I think it is, I think it is surprising to people. But if you really dig into the numbers and you look at the situation,

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It's very, very realistic. I have Chubb ahead of Ramandre, but I absolutely love Ramandre. And that depth chart is there is not someone on that roster that is going to take away enough work from a guy who can be a goal line guy, guy who can be a pass catcher. You know, you lost Damien Harris and they didn't really replace him. Right. Yeah, you have like Kevin Harris who. What was the total touches between Harris and Pierce Strong? 28 carries between Kevin Harris and Pierce Strong. And then you have time, Montgomery, who, you know, people will talk about them in the off season. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm taking Remandre Stevenson. Stevenson goes to Mike. Nick Chubb goes next. Jefferson Chubb for Team 4, Harris and Waddle. And then we're back on Quatchwatch.

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Quatch watch. I know one of my picks. One of my picks is going to be Tony Pollard. This was, you know, that's a running back that as the depth chart stands now while we're drafting, he projects to be a top 10, you know, locked and loaded running back. He was the running back seven last year with Zeke. Now Zika is gone. They want to run the ball more. So he's locked in. Now I've got Christian McCaffrey and Tony Pollard. Not taking a wide receiver here. That's pretty nice. I'm very happy with those two. But now there's a lot of questions because I have the first pick. I really, really, really am tempted to draft now in the beginning of the third a Josh Allen Jalen Hertz type. We saw the difference they made. I'm also probably my favorite player to draft this year.

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is Mark Andrews in the third round. I think that the value he provides over Kelsey and the first personally is great. And all three will be gone if you pass on them here. Yes. So the issue is if I take any of them, I'm now going to the far side of the fourth round. Basically, the four or five turn is my first wide receiver. And I just don't know if I can make it that long. So I'm going to stick to a wide receiver here. and I will take T. Higgins. I'll take your counterpart across the field, Mike, since you have Jamar Chase. Well, Josh Allen went next, then Breeze Hall and Joe Burrow, and Mike is on the clock. Jamar Chase from Andre Stevenson. Would Burrow have been tempting at all in the third round here, Mike? No, not for me. Okay. No, no, no for me. So, Mike, what are your options here? At running back, ADP-wise, ETN, Kenneth Walker, Jemir Gibbs, Mixin, who...

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Man. You know, if you ask the question about ADP changing for running backs, Mixon's got to be in consideration. Yeah, I mean, there was, did you guys catch the, there was a report from, I believe it was in the athletic. And they were talking about, it's, they're projecting that the Bengals might put the salary squeeze onto Joe Mixon as, you know, like, because right now he's on the team. There's all these other things floating around him on the outside. And he's. he's being overpaid for for what he is able to do on the field and they were in this article they were kind of implying the team is going to say you got you have to take less basically like a dalvin cook because you won't get more out there because there's all this stuff swirling yes and teams don't want to bring you and give you the role we're going to give you so it's it's very interesting like the i don't the joe mixon saga is not done i don't think like the i think

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Seismic things will happen. Yeah, right now Joe Mixing the third highest running back cap hit in the NFL. He has not played up to that on the field. So the running backs here are, they're kind of, meh. Mark Andrews is very, very tempting at this point. But so is the wide receiver I'm going to take. I'm going to take Chris Oliva of the New Orleans Saints. I am just. Oh, Mark Andrews go right before me. I really don't like this draft spot, guys. I mean, OLAV is who I was targeting. So Mike went with OLAV, so Chase Stevenson Olave. I figure Olavi might get back to me because I feel like Hertz and Andrews would go. Hertz and Andrews go right before me. So, I mean, I lost out on Cup by a pick. I lost out on Andrews by a pick. If I was sitting here, Cup, Henry Andrews, I'm feeling different than I feel right now. Instead, the.

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Epic tier, I'll call it, of quarterbacks, is gone. The tier one, tier two. Depending on your view of Fields and Lamar and, look, I like Justin Herbert, this year, I can wait. So that stinks, because Jalen Hertz was in consideration here. And there's no tight end on the board that I would want or a quarterback that I would want. And so now I'm looking at D.K. McCaff and the third, Devante Smith, and the tiers, It's getting thin at a couple of positions, and I've got two picks to make. So we are all the way out of tier four at wide receiver. Tier five, Alave is the first guy in that group for us, but it's a big tier. It's Cooper and Allen and Metcalf and Smith and Ridley and Hollywood and Judy. So that's a tough one. At running back, Ken Walker, who, look, I had more confidence before the past two weeks ago than I.

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do now because I'm believing more and more where you guys were that Charbonnet is going to get a bigger role and so that gets scary and you got Aaron Jones who look nobody nobody wants to mess with Aaron Jones for some reason Aaron Jones is so difficult to gauge man he he should be fantastic again yeah he's been the he's been a running back one the last two seasons I'm going no one wants them yeah I there are Aaron Jones and Jamir Gibbs are the two names that jump out to me I think Kenneth Walker slips into Tier 5 for us. So I'm going to go with the... I thought this would be an auto Metcalf pick for you because you've got them so high. I do. But I think that there's an opportunity for me to get a wide receiver I like similarly on the way back. And I don't think Gibbs and Aaron Jones will make it back. That would be the gamble. I have six picks to wait. And I don't think... I think Jones and Gibbs end that tier.

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And so I'm going to take the opposite of the digs Henry. We know what we're getting. I'm going to go with the excitement of Jamir Gibbs. I like it. And then Aaron Jones goes next. Unfortunately, Metcalf, of course. And Devante Smith, Joe Mixin, Lamar Jackson, and Kenneth Walker. So coming back around to me, T.J. Hawkinson's there. Yeah, thanks, Mike. Let's try to help help a friend. I just genuinely am not enjoying Spot 9. Diggs Henry Gibbs. I'm looking at Fields and Herbert. They'll both be gone by the time they come back around. Maybe. I mean, you have three teams that have already selected a quarterback between you. They'll both be gone. Okay. I think. And then JK Dobbins is sitting there. Like at practice? Not doing anything? Yeah, exactly. Madison is on the board, but I don't have the same confidence that you guys do in Madison. And so I'm going to go with.

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a wide receiver here. I'm going to take Keenan Allen. Oh, you're a dirty dog. Yeah. I don't feel like a dirty dog. I feel like a settling cat. You have, I was just the option of dog. Is a settling get? Wouldn't it be like a clean cat? I'm like, yeah, why is it settling? We're talking about a dog. I'm settling on these picks. They're not, like I said, if Andrew slips a pick, if cup slips a pick. I'm feeling better about it. Yeah. File is happy. You want to be Team 8, not Team 9. But while you have- But I'm doing the best I can with Team 9. That's all I can do. You've got three old dudes in Diggs, Derek Henry, and Keenan Allen. Oh, I'm ready to get hurt. Yeah, you've got three great players who you know they're going to be great when they're on the field. Yeah, yeah, Brooks, you're right. I'm fueling the everyone should play in an auction league instead of get stuck with the ninth pick. Yeah, but not everyone has 12 hours.

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To do a draft. That's true. Am I on that? Am I up now? For what it's worth, had I done what Jason said and passed on Gibbs and went Metcalf, I would have come back and my options would have been Miles Sanders, J.K. Dobbins, Madison. I like Gibbs a lot more than those options. So I'm okay with how it turned out. Justin Fields has already gone. Debo and Hawkinson have gone. Mike, sorry, Hawkinson's out of the picture for you. Oh, man. Arr, man. Mike, you got to make your selection. Sweet, Alexander Madison. Sure. Yeah, baby. Okay. Yeah, I mean, there was some reports earlier today about them maybe ending up as more of a committee in Minnesota. I'm talking about 11 on 11s. Is it Kinne Nwangwu? In Wangwu. Yeah, I had heard. It was taken third downs. Yeah, which.

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That's not super surprising that someone else was doing it. But I think the biggest report I had seen from Minnesota was that Madison is getting the bulk, the majority of the carries with the ones. And it is not Ty Chandler who's the next man up. So far it is in Wang Wu. So that's something to keep an eye on. Yeah, I think it's a good pick. And, you know, his 80P will continue to rise a little bit from here. We're still, you know, slow in the news cycle. So I'm on the clock now. Cooper, Ridley, Hopkins, after Madison. Yeah, a couple of wide receivers went. Those three wide receivers should not go ahead of this guy, my Terry McLaren, who I will take the wide receiver one. If it were up to you, no player.

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drafted so far, should go in front of Terry McLaurin. And then I am okay that I left the third round option of Jalen Hertz and Josh Allen because I do... believe that Justin Herbert's going to be fantastic this year, have that bounce back season and getting him in the fifth versus them in the third. I needed that wide receiver and I like the way my team is turning out. Christian McCaffrey, Tony Pollard at running back, T. Higgins and Terry McLaurant wide receiver. And then I got a star on Justin Herbert at quarterback to, you know, he's really the last of a tier. And I'm sure that is upsetting Andy. I already said they'd be gone. So, I mean, it's fine.

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I just expected to be the two picks before I picked. Well, now it can be two other guys that you want to draft. Pierce, Kittle, Dobbins. Dobbins drop into 504. That seems like a steel. Mike, you are sitting at 505. I am. J.K. Dobbins, probably, despite the things that are going on, would have been an auto selection for me. Looking at the tier of wide receiver who are still available, it's, it. For me, this is a big bucket where we are at this point of the draft, and yet the running back bucket is starting to empty out. And I'm a little surprised that Jason went quarterback Justin Herbert when Miles Sanders was on the board because I like Miles Sanders, but I feel like Jason is just infatuated and madly in love with Miles Sanders as his potential as a Carolina Panther.

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as the only show in town for the Panthers, and I will take him in the fifth. Yeah, I love the value that you can get on Miles Sinners, right here, middle of the fifth round, getting a running back that could be a three-down running back. I've cooled on him a little bit from my initial stat projections. You're out of the honeymoon phase? I'm out of the honeymoon phase. I'm in the reality phase. I don't think it's going to be a phenomenal offense. I do think they've got a great offensive line. I do think he's going to be the dude. But with a rookie quarterback starting week one,

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that usually doesn't mean great things for the offense as a whole and for the starting running back. All right. After Miles Sanders, Mike's start is great. Chase Stevenson, Alave, Madison, Sanders. Drake London goes next, DeAnd Andre Swift, and then DJ Moore. I do have a pick I want here, and I'm for once looking forward to making it. It's Cammakers. We talked about him earlier. I'm going to take Cammakers at 509 here. Cameron. I like Cameron more than Madison. I like him. And I get them a round and a half later. So I'm happy there. Trevor Lawrence goes next. Was not in consideration for me at quarterback. Teamless Delvin Cook, Jerry Judy, Dallas Goddard. That would have been another pick I would have loved to have slipped to me. Sure. Christian Watson and Michael Pittman. This is an interesting spot here because there's one other running back that I really liked with the Cam Acres opportunity. And it was James Connor.

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He's still on the board here. Oh, man. In the middle of the sixth round, you'd be taking a player that's going to be sitting on your bench potentially at that position. Now, wide receiver, my initial hope when taking Cam Acres is that Hollywood Brown would come back around to me. He is there. If I don't select Hollywood or Mike Williams or Mike Evans, I'm going to be in a much lower tier at wide receiver later on. You want to have both charger wide receivers? No, no, I'm just saying the three names in that tier. So I think I'm going to stick with my plan and go with Hollywood at 604. You're going to see an undervaluing of Cardinals assets. We talked about it earlier. It's why Connor and Hollywood, who are probably the entire offense in Arizona, are both. They're both there in the sixth round. So, you know, Hollywood had that strong start to last season.

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first six games on pace for 1,374 yards and nine touchdowns. So, Mike, you are back on the clock. Connor did go. Rashad White, Chris Godwin as well. All right. I am back up. It's not always about what you have done last season to project into the future, but my dude has done it now for five straight. Years being a top 15 wide receiver. Take him all that you don't take him away from me. Sorry, Tyler Lockett will be on my team. I still have, I have him projected again as a top 15 wide receiver. It could like that could fall. That projection could fall right on its face. If, if Jackson Smith and Jigba is more involved than I am projecting, he will be currently.

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as a first round wide receiver. All reports on him have been very, very positive. But I'm going to stick with Tyler Lockett, who just seems like he cannot be stopped. We don't have a problem with Tyler Lockett. I am surprised that he went ahead of a couple of the names that are still on the board. In particular, Mike Evans, there is salary talk about him getting another deal and an extension. But I know you love Lockett. Camara, Mike Williams, Ayyuk. The quatch has two picks. The quatch is up. And the quatch knows what he's doing. One of the players that I was really hoping came back around fell to me. And I was a little surprised. But this is my year. I've been anti this player the last two years. It's worked out. Deante Johnson. I'm in on him this year. It's Kyle Pitts. Oh, baby. I'm taking Kyle Pitts there. Everything you said is also true of Deonti Johnson. But you went with Pitt. That is also true of Deontay Johnson.

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And now I'm going to take, I took the player across the field from Mike's Jamar Chase, and I'm going to take the player behind Andy's Jamir Gibbs. And I actually think David Montgomery is going to have a phenomenal season because you saw it last year with Jamal Williams and D'Andre Swift. And I... You know, DeAndre Swift was injured some, and they didn't like him, and they love Gibbs, but Gibbs is not the goal line guy. And with that offensive line and that offense, David Montgomery is going to have 10 touchdowns this year. So, you know, to get a guy like that that legitimately could, I mean, you project it's very realistic to have double-digit touchdowns. To get that in the seventh round at running back is value I can't pass there. Darren Walder goes next. I did have my eye on him down the line here. Dak Prescott.

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Isaiah Pacheco, Mike, back on the clock, Chase Stevenson, Olavay, Madison, Sanders, lock it. Man. So looking at the running... You and I have not taken a quarterback or a tight end thus far. Five rounds remaining. Yeah, yeah, I'm still good. Looking at the running back position here, the Giovante Williams sitting here in the seventh. I know that we're, like, we are projecting... He won't be ready to start the season. But man, in the seventh round, what if he is? What if he is? So I find that one, that's pretty appealing. Oh, my gosh. And wide receiver, you know, it's at this point, you can go with some of the older guys, Mike Evans, Deontay Johnson. This is a really difficult pick for me at this very moment. Tight end is kind of off the board. It's Muth, Engram.

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David Najoku, nothing that I think is like a league winning type of player. Man, I'm really struggling with this one. You don't say. No, I'm trying to. We could not have guessed. You, well, why don't you guys had nothing else to say about Javante Williams. I thought I would, I thought I would spark up some conversation. I'm not taking Javante Williams over Samage P. Ryan in any draft. Okay. Somaget P. Rine's production, when you compare it to how Madison has performed in his opportunities. P. Rine's been the better player. And I think Somagia P. Ryan is going to start the season. And we're all, I mean, I thought the question for the quick question today was which players ADP is going to go up the most? So I had put Pryan in there until I realized it was a quarterback. I think Somagia Pryan is the most valuable late round running back that can be had. Sean Payton's running offense. We all have confidence in it.

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We just haven't been willing to say Somagia P. Rhine's name out loud with confidence. And I don't know why. His numbers are impressive. I'm going to take Michael Evans. That would have been funny if you had just said Javante right then. Mike Evans in the seventh round is ridiculous. Javante went next, Pickens, then Watson. I am back on the clock. I'm going to, this was a situation where I thought. Deante Johnson would be gone. I'm going to go with more upside here. I'm going to go with Johan Dotson. I get him three rounds after Terry McLaurin. Yep. Kirk goes next. Then Deontay, James Cook, Addison, Brandon Cooks. Oh, Brian Cooks. I was Addison. Addison was the player I was really hoping got to me at the next turn. So you're disappointed. I am. Okay, so three, four rounds left for my team.

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Diggs Henry Gibbs, Alan Acres, Hollywood, and Jahan Dotson. You know, I'll throw his name out there because he's buried in ADP because of the question marks. Rashad Bateman's name is out there. There's a flower's name is out there. We talked about both of them earlier. Evan Ingram at Tide-in, Dalton Schultz, some other guys that I think I can settle for later. Antonio Gibson. Do I have what it takes to take Antonio Gibson? I thought he was your champion. Back to back manders for Andrew Holloway. I need a running back. Some people have pointed out Brian Robinson, his numbers over the final five weeks, if you looked at it, even from a yards per carry standpoint, vastly improved. And we need to remember he was shot. Sure. So when you get back out on the field after being shot, it's possible there might be some post shot in the butt acclamation. It's not a standard thing we see.

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Yeah, not a lot of data on it. Not a lot of long-term data on that. This is a tough pick. I'm going to take Antonio Gibson. I was between Gibson and Montgomery at my last pick. I went Montgomery. And part of the reason was because I had Terry McLaren. I didn't want the double manders in the passing and the running game. But you get them around later. So that value is, you know, going with Dotson and Gibson. And Traylenbergs was in consideration there too. Yeah. But with Hollywood and Dotson back to back. Traylon was who I was hoping for after Addison. Smith and Jigba Birx and Brian Robinson go next. Mike, you're back on the clock. I love your team, Mike. Oh, thank you very much. So the top ADP running backs, AJ Dillon, Jamal Williams. I think AJ Dillon is interesting at this point. Jamal Williams, like that's very difficult to even know what to do because Kendrae Miller, we still haven't.

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