Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - First Round Busts + Saturday Surprises

wide receiver on a bad team. It will have the most fantasy points in 2017. It happens every year, obviously. Passing volume. The famous garbage time. Oh, the garbage man can. Who's the garbage man? Well, and then he provided a few. I don't know if he wanted out of these four. Yeah. Oh, so he proposed Cameron Meredith, Quincy Anunwa, Corey Coleman, or Robert Woods. Which one? I got my pick.

Yeah, I'm going to say, and I have them back to back right now, I'm going to go with Corey Coleman. I saw what Pryor was able to produce as the one. I think Coleman is the one talent-wise. He just has to be healthy. I have him in Woods back to back. I'm going to say Coleman right now. Here's a funny stat that will make sure that you realize that stats can say absolutely anything you want them to. Did you know, Andy?

that through the first eight weeks of the season, we're talking to the first half of the season, there were three wide receivers tied in third place for fantasy points scored per game. Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, and Corey Coleman. I did know that. You told me yesterday. Yeah, it's just funny because he only played two games. One of those games was a monstrous blowoff game. So therefore his points per game. His points per game looked great. But my point in all that jargon. Is that meaning he's your answer?

He is definitely my answer. I think the upside of Corey Coleman with Torrell-Pryorier leaving. His talent was shown in that week two where he can get down for the 31-yard touchdown. No problem. Right now he's scaring me because he's starting to feel like Devante Parker with the injury concerns. I agree. Is he not taking something seriously? And I don't want to, you know, like.

disparage Cory Coleman. But when you're injured and you're injured in the different kind of variety of subtle ways with soft tissue issues, you just worry about conditioning. Devante Parker came out later and said, hey, I didn't take this eating and thing seriously my first two years. I'm going to do that now. There's no veteran presence there to teach Cory Coleman when you're on the Browns.

And so I've moved Cory Coleman down in my rankings because of exactly what you're talking about. I don't want him to learn from Kenny Britt. No. I saw him on Hard knocks flipping a golf cart. Yeah. Yeah, he's not a veteran presence. He is a very large child. Large child, big boy. But yeah. So, you know, I do worry about Corey Coleman. He's got risk. But he has an upside that the other guys, in my opinion, don't have. Dickerson in Tampa says Dynasty, two quarterback super flex league with full PPR.

Should he consider trading Zeke Elliott for Joe Mixin and Alan Robinson? I wouldn't. Yeah, I wouldn't either at all. No. I'm not tempted by that. Zeke is a true elite known difference maker. What if it said Joe Mixon and Julio Jones? Well, then sure. Yeah, exactly. The problem to me doesn't really sit with Mixon's upside. It sits with the other piece. That isn't guaranteed. They're both not guaranteed.

Yeah, they're both not guaranteed. But for me, as a general rule, as a strategy in redraft leagues, there are very few true elite stud difference makers. I'm not talking about, you know, the guys that are good. I'm talking about basically the top six draft picks right now in the draft. You got your Zeke, David Johnson, Love Bell, and you got Antonio Brown, Julio, and O'Dell Beckham. If I've got one of those guys, if I trade them, I want another guy like that in that trade.

Yeah, it's not worth it. Not worth it. I mean, we see that in our dynasty league. It's hard to pry those guys away, and I would need more. I would need a lot more. All right, King. No, here's the actual King. King in Houston. How do you guys feel about Lagart Blunt's production? Do you see him as a high-end number two? What do you think? No, I don't see him as a high-end number two. Could he finish there? Sure. Maybe a low-end number two, I think, is more realistic. Here's what Lagart Blunt is.

Ligarette Blunt was opportunity last year. I mean, he was in our ultimate draft kit last year as, you know, a great sleeper because people were, you know, just hating on Ligarit Blunt. And we're like, he's got this great opportunity right now with the Patriots. And he scored 18 touchdowns. That's 18 more than you had last year. Eight just barely. 18 touchdowns. Here's what's the craziest, though. The guy scored 18 touchdowns last year.

and there were seven times that he was not a top 20 running back. So you had a lot of times where he's not really helping you out, and that was on the Patriots scoring 18 touchdowns. I realize, you know, that Ryan Matthews, he had eight touchdowns in limited work. They're going to give him the opportunity to score touchdowns. But what does he get? 10? If he gets 10 touchdowns, that would be incredible. That would be great. You're probably going to pay off where you draft him. But even then...

The rest of his volume, he's not involved in the passing game, hardly at all. He's going to have more duds. You're really reliant on the touchdown with Legerick Blunt. I like him better in a best ball league where you're just waiting for those games where he scores and you don't have to worry about the games where he doesn't. Yeah. And even though he had such an incredible year, the stat you just brought up points out the problem we've had with starting Patriots running backs in general. There is an inconsistency to the game plan.

And you don't necessarily get to lock and load a guy. And that question still exists for guys like Mike Gillisley, Rex Burkhead, Dionne Lewis, James White's production. I think White's probably the safest. See where Blunt is being drafted. Right now Blunt is being drafted. Right now Blunt is being drafted in. Yeah, well. Too high. I agree. I was actually thinking I wanted to pull that up so I could say he's probably being under drafted still though. But nope. Sorry. No good news for Legeriblund. All right. Rick wants to know, what if you're in a six point touchdown for quarterback league?

Would that change your opinion on waiting on quarterbacks? Great. Yeah, great question. We get this question many times every year. It does not in any way shape or form change. In fact, every league we play in is six points per quarterback. What actually happens there, you know, the reason we value or devalue the quarterback position is what we referred to earlier in the episode, the streaming options where you just play off of the waiver wire. We will make picks all year long.

where we just look at guys that aren't owned at every week and say, you know, they're less than 50% owned on ESPN, start this guy this week. We did that a couple, you know, I think we finished as the quarterback six overall if you had played the guys off. All the streamers, yeah. But here's what happens in six quarterback point per touchdown leagues. You would think that you would end up with, you know, a bigger gap between the better and the worse. But what happens is,

the worst quarterbacks actually have more finishes inside the top 12. And shout out to J.J. Zacharison for enlightening me on that one. So, no, it's opposite of what you think. All right. Dylan and Tennessee wants to know, says that him and his friend have a bet on who would have more yards this year. Hope it's a water bet. What is your opinion? More yards. Michael Thomas, O'Dell Beckham, Jr., more yards.

I'll take O'Dale Beckham Jr. Yeah, I'm going to default to O'Dell Beckham Jr. And if you want to know exactly, I have Michael Thomas down for 1,200 yards and O'Dell Beckham Jr. down for 1,485 yards. So even though I have plenty of love. Beckham was 1450 in 2015. He was 1367 last year. That is where he will be. Yeah, I've got a lot of love for Michael Thomas. You're asking a lot for Michael Thomas. You're going to lose that bet. Yeah.

All right. Benjamin off of Twitter says, can you discuss the importance of bench spots in relation to drafting a second quarterback or tight end? Isn't it better to draft a late round upside running back wide receiver and grab a waiver wire upside, I guess, in those other positions through the first few weeks? Certainly. If the bench is very deep, then you are afforded more opportunity to pick a quarterback that you believe will bust out.

and play the rotation, basically stream off of your own bench if you have a super deep different league. A lot of leagues have four or five bench spots, maybe one IR spot. And so, yes, it is better to have those more high value positions that you have to start more of than the two positions that you don't start more than one of. Right. I mean, you know, when it comes to it.

You're right. If you've got a deeper league or, let's say your league, always. Every single team without question is rostering two quarterbacks. Some are rostering three quarterbacks. Then maybe, you know, if there's an opportunity late, I might take a second quarterback or if it's, you know, a deeper bench. I will never. I don't think there is really a situation where I will draft two tight ends. There's one situation. And it was popping into my head. The only time I've ever taken another tight end is if it's a tight end starting the year on the injured reserve.

that i know is going to return like if you've got gron like when gates was suspended last year and i was willing to hold on to him for four years four weeks or something like that but almost no situation right i mean two tight ends you're wasting you're completely wasting your your bench spot great logic from from the writer that that wrote in

I want to jump in. I see a lot of people ask, well, what about if I get two of the elite tight ends, doesn't it make sense to flex, always flex one? If you've got two of the elite tight ends. I mean, what, Gronkowski and Reed? Yeah, so let's say you got Gronk and Reed. Now you've made a roster composition problem, unless you're in the Scott Fishbow League where tight ends outscore wide receivers because what you have done is you have given up two of your first four or maybe five rounds.

to not running backs and wide receivers. Yeah, you've drafted your flex above positions that you need to start two and three of. Yeah, multiples of you've hurt your team. Yeah. If you end up in that situation, if you end up in that situation organically through trade and things like that, sure, you should flex Jordan Reed because he's going to be a better performer than a number of wide receiver options. All right. Chris in London, England. Oh, bonjour.

Hey guys, great show. I'm in a two-quarterback old-school standard scoring league. Your recent two-quarterback mop, also known as a mock, was very helpful. But in my league, quarterbacks are generally drafted later than normal. Great. Is there value in stacking elite quarterbacks early in that situation? I would say the answer is, yeah, because what that means, if they're drafted later, is that you're going to get that second quarterback option later than you could normally.

So I would think that it would be a severe advantage if you could stack Rogers in the second with luck in the fourth. Well, and that's what we need to be clear on. Because if that just means you're getting good value on them, then yes. If it means I'm going to just spend my first two picks on those two guys, then you know, you're not playing to the fact that your league drafts quarterbacks late. Use that. And if you're drafting based on tiers.

then that'll take care of it. It doesn't matter what round. It just matters how many guys are left in each tier, and you'll do fine. All right. We're going to close on this question from Joe off of Twitter. Interesting one. What is the best time to sell high on Antonio Brown, given Big Ben's potential retirement? He is coming from a dynasty PPR perspective. I think it's a great question. I'm not sure that I know the right answer for you.

But I'm willing to talk about it, Jason. Yeah, well, I brought this up yesterday on the footcast show over at Join the Foot, that I am an Antonio Brown dynasty owner. Yes, you are. You have this decision. Fully convinced that Big Ben will be playing his last year this year. Yeah. And while Antonio Brown is not going to die, he's going to be, you know, he's going to play. Everybody dies. Well, I guess I was wrong. Not everybody truly lives. Oh, good movie.

No, but the point is he'll still be a relevant, productive wide receiver for whatever quarterback comes in. But he won't be the number one Antonio Brown, you know. We saw this with Larry Fitzgerald when he lost, you know. Yeah, nobody doubts Larry Fitzgerald's a Hall of Famer. Right. So you did see a Hall of Famer have their production slashed. Right, until they got Carson Palmer back. So I mean, I do trust Pittsburgh to find themselves a quarterback more than another franchise. Yeah, they've.

They've been trying. I feel like they've failed quite a bit, but you could be right. You know, I don't know when that time is. You've got to look at your league's trade deadlines if you have one and decide. But I will say this. You've got to get a premium because he's still Antonio Brown. He's the best in the business. And if you can get a premium for what he is, you know, halfway through the season, then pull the trigger. If you can't keep him, you're not going to be sad that you have him. That's a good answer.

All right. Well done. Jay Gris, anything to add to this Saturday episode? Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. You want to get back to it. I got you. All right, that is it. Brooks, you're doing well. You ready to sign off? Yeah. All right. We're done here. Tuesday. Michael be back. Jay Gris, sorry. You're on the sidelines. Great shows ahead next week. Make sure you check out the various URLs we gave you earlier. Footclanvote.com and Footclangaveway.com. Check those out. Join thefoot.com.