Busts & Values + Monty News, Butt Thorns - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/27

Until the migraine report from NFL Network came through this morning, it terrified me like the fires of Mordor. I mean, it's not something you want to hear. I was going to ask you the question. Do you think he will consider, you know, me in this whole equation? That's true. The way I went out on a limb for Joe Mixon, do you think that I will be part of the bridge to a new contract? Thoughts? From Cincinnati?

We weren't going to do it and then we heard the confidence. Well, the my guy thing and I'm not taking them back again. Yeah, I think you are the glue in this situation here, Andy. So you should give confidence to draft him. It's not a good Reaper day for me. Or you can argue it's a really good Reaper day for you. It's just a matter of perspective. Tomato situation. That's a strong point. I don't think Joe Mixon is going to miss games. Yeah. Oh, that's good, Mike. Thank you.

Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll said he had seen Adam Gays talking about Frank Gore and he said, I can do that. Pete Carroll says Carlos Hyde will quote be a big factor for us. I've heard Pete Carroll talk about his players before. And here's what they are. They're incredible. They are in great shape.

They're ahead of schedule. They're going to be a giant piece of every play. Yeah, but ahead of schedule. So that's a comment in the favor of Chris Carson. But then Carlos Hyde being a big factor for us is against Chris Carson. So do they cancel out? All Pete Carroll comments cancel each other out. All of them. Yes. There's certain coaches you just here's the actual truth. When Pete Carroll says something negative.

about a player. That's when the alarm... That's when you go, oh, that's a problem. Different angle, though. 261 opportunities for Carlos Hyde last year. Here's the thing, though. A big opportunity to me is he will be on the field. Carlos Hyde's going to get touches because Rashad Penny was a factor as well. Now, for fantasy purposes, Carlos Seid's going to have 10 opportunities a week, which is...

More a Thorn in the butt cheeks, if you are rostering Chris Carson, and not so much a, you could play Carlos Hyde unless he happens to get, you know, the 10 carries for 40 yards and the touchdown. And then, so I'm not drafting Carlos Hyde, but he is, he's the backup. He is the backup if you are trying to, you know,

If you want to lock up the entire Seattle backfield, which I don't. But maybe someone out there does. It's going to be Carlos High. This, to me, is more of a indictment of Rashad Penny is not ready to go. And we don't know when he's going to be ready to go. We, I don't know if we've considered it. We need a Thorn in the Butchieks episode. Okay, yeah. Because there are, I mean, there are a number of players that exist only to bring you pain.

Yeah, they're not going to provide anything good for your fantasy, but they're going to ruin. I mean, that's why they're- One of the reasons I wore clothes in the backyard, the void, the thorn in the butt cheeks. Yeah, you don't want that. You ever backed into a rose garden? Oh. Backed. Back to. McGrawing. Oh, this show's going great. Let's compound that. Jordan Love has quote.

Yet to provide even a glimpse of why the Packers traded up to him. That is the camp report from the athletics, Matt Schneiderman. Now, here's the thing. Accuracy issues. This quote was actually from Aaron Rogers. Oh, no. Oh, that would be great. Quarterbacks take a long time. Print it. You know, to develop in certain situations. And the glimpse for why they drafted him could be.

you know, down the road, a year or two down the road. But why they traded up to draft a guy no one was clamoring for makes no sense. I guess I could have saved that piece of news for once we start the bus segment maybe. Maybe we'll give it a year or two. Yeah. Initial reports, Aaron Rogers not being threatened by Jordan Love's progress. All right. That is it for news and notes unless Brooks has something for us. Brooks, do you have anything?

Breaking? Nope. This is the time of year. You've got to pay attention to that even while we're recording. So we've got a breaking news drop. We're ready. We're equipped. All right. We're going to talk about busts and values. Before we do that, I want to thank today's sponsor Navy Federal Credit Union. If you're looking for ways to save more each month, look no further. They offer their members great ways to lower their interest rates and save more. One easy option?

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I'm going to bring those names up again, see if you are still on board, and then we'll bring you a new name today. Mike, back in the middle of June, you said, Stefan Diggs, you think he could be a bust for fantasy football players. Are you still on board with that take? I am still on board with the take that Stefan Diggs is going to be, he will still be hot and cold. I think he will be even more extreme with Josh Allen instead of Kirk Cousins.

Where he's being drafted has altered me, me saying, you know, just banging the table saying, I've never drafting Stefan Diggs. But he is a guy that, as much as I love Stefan Diggs, I don't want to draft him on my fantasy team this year. All right. Jason, you know, part of this show, we say we're staying water. Yeah, Jason. And we don't just bring you the analytical. We bring you the holistic view.

You said Austin Echler in the middle of June was a, now is that awesome Echler or Austin Excellent? I don't remember which. Awesome excellent. Awesome excellent. Awesome excellent. He's just superlatives. But are you still on board with Echler being a potential bust for fantasy football players?

So when I said that, he was being drafted as a running back one in June. He was near that early second round pick. He's dropped quite a bit. By Mike or by other people? No, by ADP, but he's dropped quite a bit. And now he's, according to what I'm looking at, the 24th player off the board, he's at that two, three turn. I have a hard time. That's delightful. I would not label him a bust there. My point in that was that I think you're going to see a major

downturn in his receptions. That's where his real fantasy value came from. I stick to that. But if he's being drafted outside the top 12 running backs, he should return on that. So he, in essence, should not avoid P. River because that provided him.

With the volume in the passing. Oh, yeah. If you're a pass-catching running back, that's a delightful river. Get your trunks. We will talk about that later. I brought up Tyler Boyd at the time in June. I have no different feelings about Tyler Boyd. Okay. There's just a lot of pass-catching options there. AJ Green, mercifully back at practice. T. Higgins showing out. You've got John Ross involved. Tyler Boyd's very reliable. I just don't get excited about him in drafts. I haven't really.

I know I haven't taken him anywhere. So just kind of meh, meh on Tyler Boyd. I think is a reliable number two receiver? Yeah, I mean, the reality is. Not on your fancy team. Like a number two on an NFL team. Yeah, the reality is he had so many targets last year and was okay. I mean, if that's his, you know, if he's just okay when you have that level of volume and now the volume goes away, he's not someone I'm excited to have. I wouldn't imagine drafting.

All right. I'm going to let Jason kick off our bust picks on today's show because his is a perfect transition from the news. There has been a lot of talk in Jets camp, so I'll let you have the floor. All right. My bust candidate for 2020 is Levion Bell. And last year he was the running back 17, which was, you know, in and of itself a bust from where he was being drafted, but nowhere to go but up, right?

Lateral. Yeah, I think. And down. You can go down. Just nowhere to go. I think we have a number two problem. Number two. But here's the thing. I'm not just talking about Mr. Bhole, Adam Gase. I'm talking about the number two running back on the team is a problem. Last year, Blau Powell was the number two running back in carries. He had 59 total.

carries on the season. But wait, Powell had 19 carries in week 14 when Levy on Bell wasn't there. So when Levy on Bell was out, there were 40 total carries on the season that went to the backup. Lev got everything. You know, outside of Christian McCaffrey, Levy on Bell was pretty much the next most used guy.

And if you remember on our recent My Guys episodes, which if you haven't listened to, please go back. It was excellent. I talked about how. That's what the people are saying. That is. Because the people are smart. The people. It was an excellent show. It was an awesome show. It still is. But you'll remember when I was talking about how. In 2017, an awesome Kenyon Drake was on pace for over 1,500 yards in the final nine games. And then Adam Gase.

brought in a 35-year-old old school type of running back, Frank Gore, and he gave him 156 carries. Now, you might think, well, yeah, 156 carries in 2018, sure, for Frank Gore. I can't even believe that you weren't wrong about his age at the time. I know, right? You just said that, and the very first thing I did was did Jason write down Frank Gore's current age. That's what I thought you did. Nope.

No, he's 37 right now. He brought in a 35-year-old Frank Gore and gave him 156 carries. Now you say, well, that's old school Frank Gore. He's passed his prime. Last year, I don't know if you know this. He had 10 more carries. He had 166 carries last season. What? He is infinite. But the thing is. He's eternal. Yeah, he is all. Adam Gase realizes now that Frank Gore's passes prime. He's old. He's busted. Well, wait. What's that? We have...

Audio from literally yesterday? This is Adam. Let's hear what Adam Gase had to say yesterday on Frank Gore. It looks the same as he did 12 years ago. It's, I can't explain it. It's unbelievable how when I watch him, I mean, a flashback to 2008, he looks the same. I don't know how. It doesn't make sense, but Frank has been one that refuses to listen to what anybody else says.

And he goes out there. He is a old school football player. And he looks good. His burst looks good. His vision is never going to change. He's just, it's going to be like that when he's 60. And Frank is, Frank's special. I mean, there's a reason why he is third all time in rushing. That's not a guy you bring in to sit. I've already heard that clip and it hit me fresh today. I heard that yesterday.