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Mid-Round Madness + Camp Hype, Bear Toes - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/3

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Mid-Round Madness + Camp Hype, Bear Toes - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/3

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that it's a slightly disproportionate. Like, if you want to opt out of him, because you don't want to risk the possibility of doing that, sure. But 100 receptions. He's basically what Robbie Anderson did, only he scored touchdowns. Right. He had 100 receptions in about 1,000 yards. He's not going to put up huge yardage games, but he will score because he has Russell Wilson, not Sam Darnold. Volume is more important than consistency when projecting consistency.

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So that might sound confusing, but if you just look at how- You got jammed. If you look at how consistent a player has been and you try to say, well, that's how consistent they will be on a week-by-week basis, that is actually a poor metric to use by comparison to volume. And he had 100 receptions. So like Tyree Kill.

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used to be thought of as this super inconsistent player. Michael Thomas, the most consistent guy ever, if you go back before his wide receiver one finish, the year prior, super inconsistent. But he had the volume. And the next thing you know, they're a consistent player. I think that's why a player, sorry, I think that's why a player like D.J. Moore has been difficult to project and difficult to look at consistently because he's in the 60s in total receptions.

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despite the explosiveness. Yeah, and the last thing I would say on Tyler Lockett, which obviously we know I love Tyler Lockett, but there's this feeling like he is an afterthought now. D.K. Metcalf is in town, and he's the old husband for the Seahawks, and they're moving on from him. He just signed a four-year $69 million contract.

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It was super nice, and he is ready to roll. I brought it up because I was, I have it pulled up right in front of me to point out that Tyler Locker just signed a, they just gave him another big bag of money. He is locked in, lock it in, and in the back of the fifth round, so Andy, to speak to your point of, yeah, he cemented himself in, and then I get it. There was the burns in the second half of the season. But mentally prepare yourself. This is your.

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This is your fifth positional player. And they are going to be a little bit, he's going to be volatile. But you can't win a race. You can't win a drag race. If someone else is throwing Noss in there and they have some volatile compounds helping them get a greater score or speed, you need that in fantasy football. Yeah, you have a mix. Not every player on your team can just be a floor safety player. Or you'll be right in the middle. It's a perfect transition for my next guy.

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because he represents the Noss for your team, who actually ended up very consistent last year. But it's Will Fuller of the Miami Dolphins. Yeah. Will Fuller is currently going in the middle of the eighth round. That is the wide receiver 37. This is for a player who I think that there's a couple of emotional reactions that is deterring people from drafting him. He was the fifth most consistent wide receiver last year. He was the number one most efficient.

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player. He was number one in terms of number fires net expected points per target. You target Will Fuller. You get more fantasy points than any other player in the league per target. He had an outstanding year that was cut short by the PED suspension, which leads into this year like he's not out there week one. Now he goes to a team where there's a lot of, I guess, unbelief on the potential and ability of Tua to

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go out there and stretch the ball, or stretch the field. He can't stretch the ball. I'm going to make this ball two yards long. And so, but you guys have heard me talk about Tua this offseason, not that I'm predicting greatness, but that I'm basically saying we don't have enough information on Tua to declare him not an elite quarterback or somebody capable of getting the ball to players down the field. This year they go out, they add Jalen Waddle, they add Will Fuller, right? It's a huge signing. They add the most efficient.

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per target player that goes downfield, that was number five inconsistency, that scored eight times last year. And I think he's being left for dead. I mean, the report's out of camp right now in Miami, regardless of whether you think it will be consistent, is that here's what you need to know. Miami will not have the same offense this year that they had last year. Correct. Period. Whether Tua succeeds in executing that offense is not the same thing as saying you're going, you're not going to go out there with all outroutes and underneaths.

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They are stretching the ball down the field. It will come with some pain, but you don't care about that. What you care about is that Will Fuller is being targeted down the field because he's the best at it. And so I think in the eighth round, you're looking at a player that you might be able to even get later in certain leagues. He may just slip because nobody wants to draft the guy there that they can't even play week one. The red flags are the injuries and coming back from the injuries.

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But I am just very excited about the value that is provided late in the eighth round with Will Fuller. When I was rescouting to this offseason, went back and watched some film to see if I believe or don't believe, and I didn't believe, I honestly, every time he would throw a deep ball and it didn't connect to Joachim Grant, and I was like, yeah, it's not that good. I did have the thought, like, Will Fuller probably would have caught that.

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He's throwing to nobody's out there. So it's hard to know exactly how good Tua could have been had he had weapons. And now he's got weapons. And Will Fuller is obviously phenomenal. We just don't know how much of his juice last year was.

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Juice? Juice. Let me read the comment I have just so that people have the office. Because outside of Fuller, it matters to the offense. Eric Rowe said out of Miami, last year I noticed his playbook was condensed. This is their safety. To slants in bubbles, they really wouldn't let him show his arm. Now in training camp, it's deep routes. They're allowing him to throw it deep. That's what we need. And they've equipped him. So we've set it. This will be the...

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you know, assuming he gets these players back. Yeah. That is not just Albert Wilson making camp highlights, but Waddle, Fuller, Parker, Wilson. This is going to be a very fun thing to watch in Miami to see if he can do it. All right. My next mid-round madness player, and I am telling y'all, y'all sleeping. I am, I had my sequel. Mm-hmm.

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Not a sponsor, and you are not rousing me. Ooh, rousing the slightest. When I say y'all sleeping, I'm not talking about the listeners. I'm not talking about y'all. I'm talking about Mike and Andy. You're sleeping on Travis E.T.N. He's a fifth round pick right now. And here is what we know about Travis E.T.N. Here's the whole reason why Travis E.T.N. is not being talked about as a great fantasy pick. James Robinson.

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End of list. I would say Urban. I would say Urban Meyer. I have other reasons. You think Urban Meyer who wants to run the ball like crazy is the reason to not like they're running back. I actually don't agree with Mike on that. My point. Okay. What's your one? He's a rookie. Okay. So Nog. Applamation. Like Mike brought up yesterday in the studio. He's like.

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This could look a lot like Miles Sanders' rookie year, right? Elite second round pick. Very much. Late season comes on quick. I'm like, I completely agreed. I was like, that's exactly what I think will happen. Like I've watched camp and I see James Robinson being used. I think E.T will catch a ton of passes, but I think it will come.

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Back out of the year. Literally, that's, that is what I, what I think. I think it's going to be a Miles Sanders situation. And I'm saying that's a good pick in the middle rounds. You might have to hold off for a couple of weeks until he really takes over. But keep in mind, Miles Sanders finished his rookie year as the running back 15.

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And most of that came in the second half when he really helped and dominated for fantasy. That's going to happen this year. ETS drafted as the RB 24, just to put that with that 15 that you said. So he is, he is drafted as the running back 24. Over the last decade, there's only been five rookie running backs who have 150 rushing attempts and 50 receptions. All of them were top 15 running backs. Miles Sanders being one of those. I did not, I did not stat. I did not know this stat until after.

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I checked what I had given ETHN, and he's just over both of those numbers. The reality is James Robinson was talked up pre-NFL draft. He's great. We're so happy to have him, and they spent a first-round pick on an electrically talented running back. Oh, he's got so much electricity. Just so happens to have been the college teammate of Trevor Lawrence.

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They've already said in camp that he is the clear safety blanket for Lawrence. He's targeting him all the time. There was news about him being used as a wide receiver lining up at wide receiver. ETN came out and said, no, I'm not. He's like, I'm just getting in as much work as I can. I do all the running back stuff. I do all the wide receiver stuff. He is super involved through the first week of camp. Who got more carries with first team? Was it James Robinson or ETN? It was split.

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It was 50-50. You didn't even give me a chance. I didn't want you to be able to answer. He was kind of setting us up anyway. We didn't need to answer. This was rhetorical. My point is this. Here is a first round. It's not rhetorical. Here's a first. I guess if you was talking to himself. Hold on. Wait. If you answer your own rhetorical question, is it not rhetorical? No. Wow.

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I believe the definition of a rhetorical question. There's no answer. Interesting. Okay. Well, it wasn't rhetorical. So what do we call this when I ask a question, but I answer it before you have a chance? What do we call that? That's got to be names. Arrogate. This is an arrogant question.

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But every single year, there are two rookie running backs who finish on average as a running back one. Nobody is doubting the talent. He is going. Why is he talking to us, Mike? I'm not opposed to any of this. He is. Why is he talking to me? You can, you can take your ears out and you don't even have to listen. You know, he's one of those guys that he was drafted as first round talent because he is really, really good.

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and he's a great pass catcher, which is great for fantasy. The second half of this year, he's going to be a league winner. So you're going to have to, if you draft them. There's your headline. That's the most important thing you've said. Thanks. But that's my, that is the point of drafting Travis E.T. And if you grab him, you have to hold on to him. You probably won't start in the first couple of weeks. And at the end of the year,

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you have a better chance of winning a championship because you're going to have a difference-making awesome fantasy asset at a very difficult to get position. And as we move to Mike's final mid-round-manendous pick, I will say this. Like, that is one of the mis... I guess the things that we can make mistakes on as fantasy players is if Travis E.T.N is the running back 15 from week 8 on, and he's the running back 60 from weeks 1 through 8,

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that will distort because all you look at is end of year numbers. Like you win a championship by having a player that goes on a run over the back half of the year, like a Miles Sanders did, like a Jonathan Taylor did, like a lot of these rookies do. Like would you consider ETN inevitable the way we talk about Jarant to Williams? Yes, inevitable. But having drafted Miles Sanders, the rookie year, it creates a...

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quite a conundrum for you of you drafted in the fifth round you're playing him week one like that's that's happening i can't imagine you spend a fifth round draft pick for a player that you're going to bench immediately and you're watching miles sanders you know not be the guy over and over and you've now used the fifth round you've you've spent a huge opportunity cost when you could have had uh you know like cooper cup

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Deontay Johnson, Tyler Lockett in the fifth round. That's my biggest problem with ETN is that he is a fifth round pick. And I don't... Top of the fifth. And even if he takes over by the second half, I have... The opportunity cost to my team was tremendous for that first half. Roster construction-wise, I would agree with you. I almost always load up, you know, at least two solid running backs in those first two rounds, if not three over three.

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