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Week 14 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, Say Hello to My Kittle Friend

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He is, I saw a stat. He's not, he had six touchdowns outside the numbers, right? Those extended longer routes last year. He only has six catches outside the numbers this year. Obviously got into the end zone. Obviously, he's humongous. He will never lose being humongous. Antonio Gates has made that his main feature for three. He's even grown into that.

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Yeah, he's really grown into that role. But Gronkowski is not the same player this year. No. He does say that he, you know, he expects more out of himself huge, huge game next week against Pittsburgh. Huge. So, look, if you have him, you've been playing him. If you survived, made into the playoffs, he delivered for you, and you're probably moving on. Travis, Kelsey, Jared Cook, Eric Ebron. Eric Ebron, by the way, shout out, franchise record and touchdowns in Indianapolis. Nice.

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Cameron Bray, two for 12 and two. That is the most Cameron Bray box score of all time. And we were talking this last week. It's like, are you going to be happy with him? He'll cap out at like 30 yards, but he's got a good chance to score. He did that exactly. Two for 12 with two touchdowns. Yeah, did you play Derek Carrier, Jason? Ah, just missed out on that. Did you? Yeah. Team defenses that showed up, the Giants, the Bears, the Lions. Oh, my. You.

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You can start, and I'll tell you now, it's Monday. I'm going to preview it. You can play the Atlanta defense next week. Yeah, they're not good. Atlanta's a terrible defense. That's right. And you should play them because they play at home against Arizona and Trent Sherfield. I'm leaving that there because I don't think you know what position he plays. And I'm not talking to you, Jason. I'm talking to the general public. Okay. He could be anything. Trent Sherfield. He plays the tight receiver. The tight receiver. The tight back. He's the wide end.

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The White Inn, yeah. Cardinals' offense is awful. Josh Rosen, not good. Rising Stars of the Whig. Like, I don't want to take any Josh Rosen victory laps, right? I wrote a song about him. Yeah, you did. It was very popular on Twitter. It was not kind to him when he was drafted. You were sad. And as a Cardinal fan, once he was drafted, and I wrote the song disparaging him, I...

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Had to lean in and say, I mean, I had to buy in. I had to say, look, this has to be the future of Arizona Card. And I hope it's the past now. I'll tell you what, man. I was ecstatic when he was drafted. I will not, you know, I will not forget my joy. He was my number two quarterback coming into the draft. Prior to the NFL draft, I believed that he had enough to get it done in the NFL. He.

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Most certainly does not look like he has it. I mean, what he's shown on the field has been atrocious. But that was true of Derek Gop. That was true of Mitchell Trebisky. Yeah. So I'm just hoping we can find. Well, Tony Romo is rumored to be their next head coach. That's right. And I think Tony Romo can do some good things with him. Tony Romo. Tony Romo is freaking out with that no look pass by. Yeah, because he's got him. He's been an NFL quarterback. I know. He goes.

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That's impossible. I was talking about this in the studio. I think other quarterbacks watch Pat Mahomes, and they are just kind of sad that they don't get to do some of the things it gets to do. Like, that would be so much fun if I could do that. Yeah. You can't. No, it's a cheat code. Rising stars for this week, Jason, you and I have both selected a rising star. Brought to you by fantasy champs.

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I'm going to go with the occasionally accurate turnover prone, unstoppable Josh Allen. I don't hate it. He has, listen to these numbers, the last three games on the ground for Josh Allen. 13 for 99 and a touchdown. 9 for 1.35 in a touchdown. 9 for 101 in a touchdown. He is running for 100 yards a game as a quarterback. He is the QB10 this week with no touchdown passes.

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Two interceptions and one fumble as Detroit New England in the next two weeks. And the thing is... Can you not agree with me that scoring is broken for fantasy quarterbacks? People, listen to what he just said. He has no passing touchdowns. How many passing yards? I think he had like, I don't know, sub 100 or something. Yeah, like maybe around 100 passing yards, no passing touchdowns, two interceptions and a fumble. He's...

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top 10 quarterback because he rushes the ball like running back. He had 206 passing yards. Oh, wow. It's so career high or what? Here's where I'll, I could go both directions here because I can completely agree with you that that's just kind of silly. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a talking point, right? Right. But they are winning because of him. They lost the game. That's true. That's true. I mean, they have been very competitive.

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because of him. Yes, he's fine, but you're right. You have to adjust your thinking about rushing quarterbacks for fantasy. His last three weeks, right? The last three weeks, he's been exactly what you described, a somewhat mostly not accurate turnover prone quarterback who has been the quarterback four, the quarterback two, and the quarterback 10.

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The last three weeks. Yeah. And every time you choose, I mean, it's a little busted for the quarterback, obviously. But every time he chooses to run the football, he's obviously choosing not to pass the football. I mean, and you're not saying not to compensate the running. It's just what he's doing right now is pretty impressive. Detroit next week, I think you can play Josh Allen. Yeah, I mean, coming into the last game, he had more.

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rushing yards in back-to-back games than any quarterback since like the 1930s or something. I'm butchering that, but it was crazy. I would assume Cam had a bigger back-to-back rushing game, but no, Josh Allen is rushing the ball. I mean, we're talking 100 yards a game right now. That's just impossible to keep up, though, right? Jason, there's no part of you that just thinks it makes it fantasy more fun, the rushing quarterback. No, I do like broken. I will admit, I will say this.

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There's a part of me that likes exploits in things. I like cheat codes and video games. I like loopholes and anything. Any situation. Sure. And so, yeah, there's part of me that goes, I like this because if my opponents don't realize the fruit of a rushing quarterback, I can take advantage of it. But it makes more quarterbacks relevant. You have to admit that. If that scoring structure wasn't there, you'd have far fewer quarterbacks that are relevant.

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But that makes it less fun. To have less relevant. To have as many relevant as there are. Oh, I don't. I would rather there be 15 relevant quarterbacks because it's not like tight ends where you're talking about. You agree with that, Brooks? No way. I like it. Just how it is. Yeah, all right. Well, I'm going to go with tight ends who have like three good, maybe four good tight end options. You are struggling if you're out there rolling out your. Trey Burton. Trey Burton is the first name that came to mine. I mean.

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And you're going, what can I do? Who can I start? Look, Ian Thomas did what we have wanted to happen when Greg Olson went out. We talked about how when Greg Olson went out the first time, it was crickets. Ian Thomas, he's this great athletic backup. He did not get involved. But he had double-digit targets, 11 targets, nine receptions for 77 yards. That is a baseline that is so much higher.

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than we would have ever hoped for. We're putting Ian Thomas in there thinking maybe you get a touchdown. Now this week they're going and playing against New Orleans. I mean, a matchup against the Saints, if you're struggling and you don't have a tight end to play, Ian Thomas is going to be on the radar for a streaming candidate and then the week after that, Atlanta. I mean. Look, if you want to play Ann Thomas over Trey Burton, I actually think I get it. You should do that. I just want fantasy owners to know.

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There are four or five of these guys that drop in and out every single week of that top 12. I mean, Ryan Griffin this week scored more points than Ian Thomas. Exactly. Derek Carrier scored more than Ian Thomas. But there's actually a reason. There's a reason for Ian Thomas. The others, why did Ryan Griffin have a good game? Nobody knows. Why did Derek Carrier have a good game? I'm not disagreeing that you can play him. The reason why Ian Thomas had a good game is because he became the starting tight end. Yeah, but he became the starting tight-in.

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for the first four games of the year, two, two for 10, three for 20, three for 38. Yeah, I mean, so it's just, I'm not saying don't do it. Sure. I'm just saying if he's one of the six that drops out of the top 12 every week, I wouldn't be surprised. That's all. Yeah, sure. That's fine. But you can't argue. 11 targets. Look, we said this on this show on Thursday, Friday. It was, if you're at that part of the tight end depth chart, so to speak, just go with snaps. Just go with the snaps.

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That's fine. I would go with routes, but yeah, similar thing. Because snaps for a tight end, if they're blocking, they can have 100% of snaps and still not be fantasy relevant. But yeah, go. Poopped in his big boy pants. Oh, there were some. There were some big boy pants filled up. I mean, the thing is, there's always poopers. But their pants aren't always quite as large. Right. No, these were all.

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Extra large. And they're overflowing. Overfilled. Jared Goff. Yeah. We're talking about poop people. Jared Goff, 20 for 44, four picks, Mitch Trubisky. Last night, both of those guys combined for one touchdown and seven interceptions. Nathan Peterman would be proud. And frankly, quarterback scoring is broken. Interceptions should count for points. Well, I do believe that if it's a pick six, I mean, you should get some credit, right? You threw a touchdown. Last night was more of a six picks.

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Yes. It was not a pick six. It was a seven pick. Yeah. Cam Newton, though. Two subpart games in a row, New Orleans next week. You don't know what life is left in this team with the disintegration of their playoff hopes. 26 for 42. You don't know if the shoulder's affecting something. He's not running the ball as much. I think it's a pivot time for Cam Newton. You can't lock yourself in. This is the one thing I'll say for fantasy owners. You listen to us every day. And we tell you get ready for the playoffs six weeks ago.

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You know, example, I stashed Denver, their defense. They lost this week. They're probably out of the playoffs. They have to play at home against Baker Mayfield. They lost Chris Harris Jr. They lost Chris Harris Jr. I'm probably still playing them this week. But you're willing to pivot. But I'm willing to pivot because you can't lock in. You can't be like, Cam Newton's my playoffs, quarterback, no matter what.

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What if Josh Allen is there? I was told a month and a half ago he was going to be good. Would you play Josh Allen or Cam Newton this upcoming week? Which seems incredible. Oh, man, at home against New Orleans. Who's Josh Allen playing this week? I mean, it doesn't. Detroit at home in Buffalo. Wow. Where are you going to run the ball? I just, look, you probably play Cam Newton, right? Brookes, you play Cam Newton? I play Cam Newton. I play Cam Newton. I play Cam Newton. I play Cam Newton. I play Cam Newton.

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That's the tougher question, which of course is like... Who do you play and who finishes that? I mean, they should think they'd be aligned, yeah. But they're not. I'm going to give a small scolding to Philip Rivers and Drew Brees. People expected more in these matchups, Cincinnati and Tampa Bay. Rivers, who always throws for two touchdowns, threw for one touchdown. Isabum. Thursday night against Kansas City. And then Drew Brees against Tampa, one touchdown. He did run one in, just to be nice.

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Yeah, that saved people. Running back Duds Gurley for Nat Peterson. James Y. Sony, Michelle, got Devlin again. Brutal. Brutal. So good. Josh Adams stunk. Tevin continues to stink. Gus Edwards got outscored by Kenneth Dixon, who scored and looked pretty good. Kenneth Dixon is very, I mean, Gus Edwards wasn't horrifically bad. He had 16 carries, which he looked for, 67 yards, which.

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You do need more than just a finished line of that. But he, you know, he wasn't the worst. But, yeah, the issue is Kenneth Dixon. When they got around the goal line, it was Kenneth Dixon. And at the end of the game, it was Kenneth Dixon. I'm going to, I'm just going to speak to the pump the brakes was on the Patriots this week because of the fact that you didn't know what you give from Michelle or White or Gordon or, you know, Edelman. If you picked right, if you had Edelman or Grant, you were great.

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If you had White, Michelle, Gordon, you weren't. Devlin again. It's just too hard to know. There's too many pieces. Now, I guess this is episode 666. Oh, no. Yes. Is that true? I don't even know what I'm supposed to play on here. Mark of the Bees. Is there an evil sound for... I don't think we want to draw attention. No, I mean, it does seem like a place where King Goughrey would show up on episode 66. Let me ask you this.

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Do you think that these players had bad weeks because they knew that pooped in their big boy pants was on episode 666? And they're like... I feel like James Devlin had a good game because of that. Yeah, deal with the Devlin. Yeah, deal with the Devlin. Justin Jackson, super disappointing. Yeah. It was not... That was just... Let's talk about more disappointments. Antonio Brown, Kenny Galladay, Corey Davis, Cortland Sutton. I think Antonio Brown is the one guy that probably costs...

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