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Week 13 Waivers & QB Streamers + JTT Troubles, Crazy Like a Fox! | Fantasy Football 2023 - Ep. 1511

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The hosts roast an all-time bad Monday game, call Joshua Dobbs' collapse ‘pumpkining’ and debate whether Justin Fields can survive another Chicago season.

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In doubt. Going forward. New. Oh, no. New number one wafer wire pickup. Hold on. Deucers alley cam, please. Zach. Deucers alley camera. Who's got his head in his hands? Is it one of the betrayers? Papa Josh. Is it one of the betrayers? Yeah. All right. The betrayer. Number one pickup of the week. Zach Moss. I mean, it really is. Oh. That is a shout out to Matthew Betts for for tossing that breaking news. Wow. into the equation. This was, wow. So it's funny before. And that matchup is Tennessee this week. It's not great for running backs, but they've, they've been a little bit looser on the ground. I was just about to bring up conceptually kind of like what Mike was talking about. If you had someone like Damien Pierce on your roster and he is a bench player, would you drop Damien Pierce for someone like?

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Elijah Mitchell or I was going to bring up Zach Moss like these guys where because I think if Damien I think of Devon Singletary went down I'm not convinced that Damian Pierce would be better than if Christian McCaffrey went down and Elijah Mitchell got the start I think it's a fair question yeah that's that's definitely fair yeah Mitchell would be better it feels weird at this point to drop a player who's getting work like Damian Pierce for someone that's a just a backup, but it might be the right strategy at this point in the season. It would be the right strategy. The only situation where it's not is that like Pierce is an emergency player. You can put it into your lineup. Mitchell isn't. Maybe Mitchell would still be that. But I would be looking at my roster and saying, do I, do I have two running backs and then Pierce? Right, right, right. Or do I have like three or four running backs and then Pierce? And then it's a completely different equation. Correct. If I have at least one other running back pivot option, I think that's the right move.

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I think that's the smartest move. That's the league winning move because Mitchell would win you the league. Yeah, but I agree with you. Don't assume you have depth just because he's the first guy on your bench. So we left the running backs. Well, and the last, because I just remembered it, but there was, I think it was Vrabel. Someone from the Titans was saying we're still trying to figure out how to get Tajay Spears more involved. Who knows if that materializes, but they're at least talking about it. Oh, that's, um. That's a really weird statement after giving a guy two carries. I agree. To me, he's off my list of pickups. Maybe that was the context of like, why did Spears plummet in work when he'd been doing well? So it could have been that. The matchup this week is so good for Derek Henry. Yeah, it is. I mean, it's the best running back matchup you can find pretty much. Right? On the course of the season, they're 26th. Yeah, but look over the last like handful of weeks.

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I thought they were much worse than that. They're definitely a team to target, them being the Indianapolis. So, yeah, so the breaking news ends up kind of usurping the running back segment entirely where, you know, Wilson, Mitchell, Zeke is a spot start, but like Zach Moss is the number one pickup. And follow this news through the end of the day. I'll say that because if we find out that it's something he's going to manage, then Moss is not worth a huge fab drop. But. This is why you save some of your fab moments like this. Because Zach Moss will dominate if he gets all the work. We've seen it already. Yeah, it's tried, true, delivered. Wide receiver pickups. Until the PED pop. Until Zach Moss PED. Oh, you've got to have an explanation for this. I've got to have one last jab. There's got to be some reason he's doing this, huh? In year, what is it, year four? Well, it's a system. He needs to get in the right system. I guess so.

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He's played so good. He's played so good. He's certainly made me eat crow. It's comedic, man. It's crazy because he sucked for three years and then was the best running back out. All right. Wide receiver waiver wire pickups. I'm going to, I'm going to let you guys segment this. 50% rostered or higher. group and then 50% rostered or lower group. So in the higher group, you know, you had the breakout performance from Rashi Rice. First double digit target game of his entire career. You know, Cadarious Tony, gone. Nicole Hardman, I are. It was huge for Rashi Rice. And they got him involved, eight for 107 and a touchdown. What is your confidence level right now? Because obviously Tony could return.

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The ball gets distributed everywhere. Predictability has been a problem in that offense. Like, does this performance change your perspective at all? It does a little bit because of the combination of Henry, Cadarius Tony and McColl Hardman being out. And then you saw MVS kind of used in a different way where he wasn't just the every down type of player. What was his snap counts? 53%. Oh, beautiful. And so... MBS was down at 53? You're figuring it out, Kansas City. Was he tired? 53%. Yeah. Marquez Valdez sit him. Did you guys catch the... I think it was the All-22. You can see it. But the Rice touchdown? I have not seen the All-22 of it. MVS is like 15 yards further down the field and wide open. I...

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Maybe Mahomes saw him. Maybe he didn't. But it was like, I know which player can catch this ball. So Rashi Rice is heavily rostered, has Green Bay Buffalo, New England. Christian Watson had a good performance. Five for 94 in a touchdown. It was against Detroit, which is you can target Detroit's passing game. This week, a lot tougher. I mean, Christian Watson should be getting a lot of sneed this week, which. Yeah. It leads me to almost prefer Jaden Reed, who is more widely available. He has also been very, very good. Jaden Reed has been, you know, Andy, you've said for about a month that you thought Jaden Reed was the best wide receiver in that room. And I think they've got a really young, talented wide receiver room with Christian Watson and Dobbs and Reed and others. Wicks. Yeah, Wicks and Musgrave if he was healthy.

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But you've got a stretch run here for Jaden Reed since the by week in week six where he's pretty much been a relevant fantasy player all but one week. I think if they were both there, I mean, it depends on what you're going for, right? Like the ceiling is higher on a Christian Watson ceiling game, but I feel like the consistency is much more on Jaden Reed's side. I might, if both of those guys were out there, I'd prioritize Reed. Because of the Sneed matchup for Watson or in general? The Sneed matchup for Watson this week and in general, I think he's just the more consistent player. It's too bad we don't get a Sneed on Reed situation. That is. Right. You've got to have a whole Dr. Seuss book about it. Right. Brandon Cooks, I love targeting Brandon Cooks right now the way this offense is cruising. Four for 72 and one. Like there are, I mean, of all the players, I can put up 150 plus. You know, Brandon Cooks is in that category.

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64% rostered. So those are kind of four names out of the 50% and above. Beckham is also in that group of like, you know, if the other guys are gone and Beckham's there, then you could look his way. But it's gone back and forth for Brandon Cooks. He's had like a dud game, then a big game, then a dud game, then a big game. But he, you know, since week six, he's had four big, big games, you know, double digit fantasy points and half points scoring. One of them. 27.8 points, big blow-up performance. We've talked about Dax's schedule the rest of the way. Well, that obviously goes to the wide receivers as well. So Brandon Cooks, to me, if he's out there, might be the best pickup of everyone mentioned. Yeah, I think that's how I ranked it or very close to that. I want to bring Curtis Samuel's name up. Under 50% rostered. He was hurt. He got dropped by a lot of people. He does have a buy week coming up the week after this week. But 12 targets.

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Every time I was watching this game, I felt like he was catching a pass. I mean, it was like it was nonstop. He was nine for a hundred. If you're in a PPR league, especially. Full PPR certainly helps, but man alive, I just feel like we're at the point where I need to know what I'm putting in my roster to the best of my knowledge. And if you tell me that Curtis Samuel gets 10 targets and Jahan Dotson gets one next week, or you tell me. Curtis Samuel gets one, and Jehan Dotson gets 10, or it's a Logan Thomas game, or Gibson and Robinson end up with 12 combined targets. Like every week, you know Sam House throwing it a ton, and against Miami, he's going to throw it even more. He's going to drop back 45 times. So Curtis Samuel is a fine play, but you just can't. He's not really been the one omitted. I'm going to convince you. I'm going to convince you right now. I know how to do it. All right.

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because I'm going to read names that are in the under 50% category that you could choose to spot start instead of Curtis Samuel, and you're going to say no to all of them. Okay. Curtis Samuel against Miami or? Demario Douglas with the concussion. Curtis Samuel. Okay. Jalen Hyatt. Oh, he's on by. Yeah. See, he told you. Justin Watson, who had three targets and was one for three in a touchdown. He did run a lot of routes against Green Bay. I'm going to go. Go ahead and say that. Do it. Curtis Samuel. A. T. Perry, Greg Dorch, Noah Brown, who's inactive. Don't know if he's coming back. Guyton. Give me another. I mean, Lynn Bowden, stepping in? I would say Greg Dorch might be worth considering the last two weeks, eight targets, nine targets, both with Kyler. You need Michael Wilson out, though. Right. But Michael Wilson, he didn't even practice once last week after the reaggravation. So, I mean, it's too early to know for sure, but I.

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presume he is going to continue to be out. Curtis Samuel in games where he's had good snap counts has been all right. I mean, I wouldn't go dork, but maybe you could dorge it. Yeah, I don't feel good about any of them. Hope Brandon Cooks is out there. Yeah, I mean, it's really, it feels top heavy at the wide receiver position. What did you make of the Deonti Johnson play? Because, I mean, he's in the drop candidates, but by the way, Brooks. The fumble play? Yeah, Brooks finds. When I mentioned drop candidates, these are names straight from Twitter. These are names people are actually thinking about dropping. So hopefully you don't find it too outlandish because these are real names people are considering Deontay Johnson's on that list. And yeah, I'm talking about the fumble play where he basically like, obviously the play didn't involve him. It was going to be a running play. He didn't engage the defender. Then a fumble happens. He didn't even care. He got in a fight with Mink of Fitzpatrick in the locker room. I would have to watch it again.

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But my memory is he, like, I think he was so disengaged from the play. He didn't even notice. Yeah, no, he didn't. He was. That's the indictment, though. Yeah, the indictment is it was a run play, so he just stood there. Like the ball was snapped and he didn't move. It was like, I've never, I mean, you just don't see NFL players do that. Yeah, it's, it's a really bad luck. Is he on? He got paid. He got like a, a little baby deal, a mini extension. Okay. But, but four for 50. I mean, that's it, that's not. full sabotage of a flex spot and the way that their offense was just so much better. And they're playing Arizona. I would not drop Deonti. Yeah, if you said, do I have to start Curtis Samuel or Deontay Johnson? I would start Deontay Johnson for sure. The wide receiver 39 on the season. Last four weeks, 75, 37, 41, 57. I needed to move on. Chris Godwin. I needed to move on so long ago.

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I kept looking at the targets, seven targets, 12 targets, seven targets. Last two weeks, seven targets, seven targets. That should be good. He's on pace for 80, receptions, 936 yards and 1.5 touchdown. He was one foot from a touchdown. Last week, six fantasy points. The week before, 6.9 fantasy points, not very nice. The week before 7.4 fantasy points. The week before 2.6 fantasy points. I mean, Chris Conwin has been a targeted, irrelevant player. It's crazy. I mean, he played, so in his last, how many games this year? And these were good matchups for him. In his last 14 games, one touchdown. Yeah. So I think I want to look elsewhere. T. Higgins, are you dropping Higgins? You're not getting burrow back. Yeah. Dealing with injury. I think you can. Yeah, I would drop T. Higgins. How will that feel, Mike? A great sense of relief. He's still on my roster, technically speaking, in the League of Record.

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And me and Kyle were running through some scenarios where we're like, well, if we do this, you realize we have to keep T. Higgins. Oh, in different scenarios of who you would be keeping? Yeah. And Kyle's just like, no, no. And I'm like, well, hold on. He's a free agent. What if? Because this is in the world of free agents, you get to play the game. What if? What if T. Higgins goes to the Kansas City Chiefs? I've seen that name brought up a lot. Yeah. It legitimately could happen. It should happen if you're the Chiefs. Yes. And then what do you do if you've been experienced two full years of T. Higgins pain? I was going to say your story with T. Higgins, the diary entries you must have. Dude, because I still believe he's a great player. He just is hurt all the time. Yeah, and eventually the clock runs out on those guys. Yes. But I mean, he's young enough to where, I don't know, you're going into next season. Like we did the dance with.

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McCaffrey's injury history, right? And then we did the dance. We're going to do the dance with Cooper Cup next year because of the injury history and the situation at quarterback. And T. Higgins is going to be in that discussion of like, you bet and you either win or you really lose. I mean, it feels so much worse. I mean, one, he's been on my main roster for the, for the past two and whatever years. And. I have, I have caped for him so many times on this podcast. And he just makes me look the fool every time. You got to stop doing this to me. See? Come on. I'm on your side. Yeah. We were, we were working on building Mike's ultimate, uh, roster this past weekend of like players that he's been fans that like AJ Dylan starting and running back for him. Sure. For sure. For sure. Clyde, Clyde Edwards Allaire. Yeah.

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Oh, yeah. He actually started at running back. And almost had a touchdown. I thought he did have a touchdown. He had two attempts. When I saw the play and I saw what I believe, I saw. I saw a touchdown. Clyde Edwards Allaire. Get into the end zone. I went, are you kidding me? Mike started. Mike was screaming. He was screaming, crazy like a fox. Crazy like a fox. But instead of his turn. What is going on with coaches? refusing to review touchdowns this year. It is frustrating. I feel like I've seen at least five where it's like that's a clear touchdown. Now the chiefs, they got theirs. Pacheco got right in. They took it away from Clyde. They gave Clyde another chance. He didn't do it. Another chance he didn't do it. Then Pacheco got right in. We've seen plays where they get in. You're like, but they run up. Oh, catch them off guard. Maybe we got it. And you clearly got in. If you would just take a moment and look at the review, you got in. And then they kick a field goal.

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Or worse, they turn the ball over. You get two challenges per game, right? Yeah, or possibly three. And if you lost the time out, you would have lost it in the first half. Right. A lot of these games. It's so bizarre. It feels egregious this year. One more drop candidate that's come up, well, actually two more, but one more that I want to discuss the kind of this season about. People were talking about the JSN catch. It was an amazing catch. Sure. Obviously, there's. challenges for JSN this year with Lockett and Metcalf and Gino. People were asking on Twitter, you know, is JASN about to be a league winner? No. I was like, no, not this year. But are you willing to drop him? I mean, I'm willing if there's certain players. Yeah, if you need a start, right now he's going up against Dallas this week, which is as bad as it gets. And then San Francisco the next week, both of those are on the road. He literally just...

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is coming off of a game against San Francisco where they were at home and they put up 13 total points. He scored five fantasy points. So you're not starting him for the next two weeks. If he's a league winner, you're talking about only in fantasy playoffs when you're going to start him without ever having him had like a breakout game. Cooper Cup. You don't drop Cooper. No. That's silly. No. Do you play him as the question. Which we will get to later. Yeah, we'll get to it later. Why decide now? Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Push that pain. Push that pain to the sides. Cleveland. Is Denzel Ward going to be back? I don't know. I think so. It seemed to the way that they were talking about him. He would be. All right, tight end waiver wire pickups. Pat Fryer Muth takes the cake this week. Seeing the integration into the, you know, offense, the throws to the middle of the field. Pat Friamuth of the Steelers 9 for 120 last week.

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48% rostered. You got to go get him. You got to go get him. He was out in the middle of the field. He was actually, the utilization and how they used him lined up in the slot was very, very different than pre, during the Matt Canada era. So this is a schematic change that is really great for Pat Friermuth. He plays Arizona this week. Arizona started the year pretty solid against tight ends. They've kind of given it up a little bit. I mean, Tyler Higby just got two touchdowns against him this last week. So he's the clear number one tight-in pickup. He might be the number one pickup across all positions. If he's out there, which he's out there in more than half of leagues, according to Yahoo data, this is a must pick up. And I am especially, like if maybe you have to burn a priority or whatever to get a spot start, I'm picking up the muth. I don't know that the muth is going to.

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you know, continue to be great. But he is, we know he's a good player. And if the scheme is built for him, he will succeed. But I'm picking up the mute to block. I don't want anyone else in my league who needs a tight end to get the mute. So I will put him on the back of my bench and say you don't get the plane. Yeah, I was really sad to see my opponent this week had the mute on his bench. I was like, oh, damn it. Well, the reason why you pick up the block is because there aren't

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guarantees elsewhere. Correct. Everyone else you pick up, you're playing roulette and, you know, people are going to chase Tyler Higby's two touchdowns. That's dumb. Yeah. That's dumb because now you're chasing, now you're saying Tyler Higby have two consecutive good games. The odds of that are not very good. Certainly not against Cleveland. You know, Gerald Everett. I mean, he splits time and he got into the end zone, but that was a grotesque game to watch. I mean, Kate Otten. At least he plays 100% of snaps. That's my K-dot an argument. We brought his name up earlier. Mike did, but Joanne Johnson would be the second best tight-in pickup to me. So long as you're looking for a start because Isaiah likely might still be better, but Isaiah likely's on by. Juan Johnson, we brought up. There's no one to throw the ball to. He saw 20% of the targets. Yeah, seven targets this last week. I know he was banged up a little bit, but I believe he's good to go health-wise. And if he's good to go and no other wide receivers are,

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He will get utilized a lot. I mean, any kind of PPR leagues, he should have five receptions. And if you're telling me I can bank on my tight end having five receptions, that's good enough for me off the waiver wire. Okay. Anybody else want to talk about it, tight end? I mean, the last, like the deepest of the deepest of deep leagues is Tucker Kraft. Deepest of the deepest of the deep. I just want to make sure, like I'm not. Jules Vern wrote about him. Yes, he did. There's monsters and giant squids. But Tucker Kraft, he caught a touchdown for the Packers. And the latest we have heard on Musgrave is that he's probably done for the season. Defensive questions. There are a bunch of names. You're trying to plan ahead a little bit. If your roster can support it, it's hard to do that. In a week when you have six buys, it's hard to hold multiple defenses when you would like to, including.

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Like the Baltimore defense is a great defense, but they are. I'll probably still hold them. Yeah, I'll hold the Ravens. They are on by. Yep. You don't. I would not touch them for two-thirds of the fantasy playoffs. Two-thirds? Yes. I would not play them against San Francisco, and I would not play them against Miami. Okay. Because Miami is too explosive, too much danger. Like, I feel like I can find. a mediocre defense playing a garbage Carolina, garbage jets, garbage giants. I think you'll have time before you get there. But like, as of right now, I wouldn't be scared to play the Ravens against Tua. Yeah, I wouldn't either. That's interesting. That's a different take than what I would have expected. Yeah, I mean, Tua, the, the dolphins have given up more fantasy points to opposing defenses than, than their average. So like, they're, they're not.

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Even though they're an explosive offense, they've turned the ball over enough or taking enough sacks where for fantasy it's been okay. Is that game in Miami or is it in Baltimore? I believe that's in Baltimore. In Baltimore. Huge difference in Baltimore. The Bill's defense, which is one that's going on by, punt them off a bridge because they're on by. Then they go back against Kansas City. You're not going to play them. Then they play against Dallas. No thank you. Then they play against the Chargers. Probably not. And the Bill's defense hasn't. You know, it's been wrecked with injuries. So they shouldn't be rostered anymore. Yeah, Baltimore's defense is the number two defense in the league. Yeah, they've been great. So, all right. Options for this week. Who are your top options? Options. The top options are usually, you know, you want to play them. You want to play the matchups. So the Jacksonville Jaguars are going up against Browning at home, the Cincinnati Bengals.

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And the Jaguars have been a good defense. So like the Falcons and the Buccaneers are also good pickups. Can they cover the tip pass? As long as they can shut that down, then they're going to be great. Yeah. So, you know, the way that I sort mine, I've got Jacksonville number one against Cincinnati at home. And then number two, I've got the Tampa Bay Buccaneers because I think they are a decent defense. They're playing against Bryce Young and a coachless team. uh in carolina at home and then the falcons play the jets and you just boyle you want to play against boil and the falcons are widely available they're available in 90% of leagues so there should be some bidding on them if those other guys aren't available uh mike any other thoughts uh we'll just add in that the jaguars they play it's on the road the following but they get cleveland so it's either one of those three quarterbacks that we've talked about for the browns and that's

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And none of them should be scary. One other defense I'll throw out there. The Chargers have been much better on defense recently. I think they've cured some of their ails, and they're playing against New England. And so far, New England has loved throwing the ball to the other team. Did we mention the Rams yet? No. Okay, so Rams play Cleveland this week. Again, even if it's Flacco's first start, I would be happy to play the Rams against them. Baltimore, you're going to want to dodge that. But then you get Washington at home. That's the first week of the playoffs. The second way, you get the Saints at home, and then you get Tommy DeVito on the road. So the Rams, aside from week 14, have a pretty solid run coming up. That Saints defense playing the Panthers, playing the Giants, being under 50% rostered is delightful as well for upcoming matchups. Yeah, a lot of good options.

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And we're looking at a 46.5 point over under. That's tied for the second highest of the week right now. I think that if you're in a pinch, which there's a lot of people in a pinch this week, Russ should be a solid play. I'm going to go with Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield this week plays at home against the Carolina Panthers. Maybe they'll be all juiced up from their coach being fired. But this is actually not one of those situations where like with the Raiders. I don't think anyone on the team liked their coach and they were like celebrating that he was gone. This was like everyone loved Frank Reich. They're sad that he's gone. This doesn't seem like a motivational push forward. This seems like a dysfunctional team that is, you know, going to give the number one pick to the Chicago Bears. But Baker's been pretty good, man. He's got four of his last six starts are actually top 12 quarterback finishes. And I don't know if you're a man.

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Oh, I do. Yeah, you do. Because champ, champ, champ. Mike Evans went off last time he played Carolina for three touchdowns in week 17 last year, won people championships, and Mike Evans is Baker's number one guy. This is his favorite guy. Mike Evans has been so good. He is. Also, Mike Evans started a week. Oh, is he? No. Okay. Now, Mike Evans has been a lock. all season long. It's crazy because I saw this, and I wish I could give credit because I don't remember what I saw it on a reel or something. But like if you look at the numbers between Mike Evans and Devante Adams over the last handful of years, they're basically identical. And everybody looks at DeMonte Adams as this, you know, is one of the top five, top three talents at the wide receiver position. And here Mike Evans is putting up the same numbers. Darn right he is. Every single year. And like cumulative.

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