What Would You Do? + Pump the Brakes, Krampus Love

is very interesting because there are some that believe it's the best in the league now with Edelman Back, Josh Gordon. If you listen to Belichick on the press conference yesterday with media, very optimistic about Josh Gordon's integration. It wasn't a passing comment. It was, look, every week it's getting a little bit better with what we feel comfortable giving him, doing with him. So there are a lot of mouths to feed Hogan, three, four receptions a week, James White, Josh Gordon, Julian Edelman. Now, Gronk is still Gronk, but.

What are your thoughts here? What are some metrics people can lean on? The way I feel about Gronk right now is I returned home and I found Rob Grankowski in my house, but he was playing hockey and he has smashed my favorite vase. Without question. I'm very disappointed in you, Rob Grankowski.

But you're still a giant hulking man who plays the tight-end position better than Indybone in the NFL. So it's fine. I'll buy a new Voss. The only worry I have is he hasn't looked like, I don't know. He hasn't looked. He got his mojo back, I believe. I know he had a couple long bombs this last week. But like if you watch him run and you watch Travis Kelsey run.

gronk usually whenever he's out there it looks he just completely uncoverable just so much bigger stronger faster than everyone and i don't know he seems there was a little bit slower and there was a there was a play um i mean he was running in a double coverage a ton there was a play where the patriots were driving down this was i believe the final drive to win the game i can't remember the wide receiver who got the the shot on the edge but who goes

just slightly out of frame, you see Rob Grunkowski take off from in line, and two guys just level him. I mean, like, holy crap, Roderkowski just got knocked on his behind. But I think that the presence of Josh Gordon is what the Patriots offense has been missing. We thought Chris Hogan could get it done and be the field stretcher on his own and open things up so teams couldn't just double cover Rob Gruncowski the entire game.

With Josh Gordon said to emerge, I think that completely helps Rob Runkowski. This isn't a too many mouths. This is a opening up opportunity to me. If people want to know what has actually happened, it's been really red zone concerns. He only has one of the 28 New England red zone targets. You expect...

them to line him up on the outside. Yes. And him to have opportunities. Rich Rebar mentioned that his red zone targets are the same as James Devlin at this point in the season. And we're not talking one or two games. We're talking games without Edelman. We thought he would be a great red zone beneficiary in those games. You've seen New England run the ball more. He's only seen eight plus targets. He saw the eight plus targets in seven games last year. He has not seen them.

Once this year. So there is, to me, he's becoming a little more touchdown dependent because you're getting two, three catch games without touchdowns, which makes you go, yeah. I would say this, about week three, I was talking about how I would still much rather have Gronk than Kelsey. And Mike was like, I'm not sure about that. And so at this point, having watched enough film, not just the metrics and who's doing better, you know, those things change.

But Kelsey looks to me to be the better tight end. Would you trade Grong? Grong straight up for Kelsey? Straight across for Kelsey. Because I think a lot of leagues, they would go, oh, man, I know he's better, but he's gronk. I would take that trade. Yeah, I were saying you'd rather have Kelsey. Yeah, Kelsey's my number one tight end rest of season. So you've, I mean, clearly that is an adjustment of when we were talking about before where it was Gronk was the far and away number one worth spending that high pick on. Now you're saying he's not going to be that guy rest of season. Well, Patrick Mahomes came in and.

and set my draft plans on fire. Yeah. The difference. Who would you rather have Andy? You have gronk. Someone offers you Kelsey. What do you do? I think I hold on to gronk. And I lean the Kelsey side. So then that's it's very, very close. And the reason I do is just because I think that these are both the probably the Rams, the Patriots, the Chiefs are 30 plus points a game.

And I, you know, so then the follow-up question would be, if you wouldn't trade Gronk for Kelsey, you certainly would not trade Gronk for Zach Ertz. Jason, would you rather have Zach Ertz or Rob Grunkowski? I would still rather have Gromk there. I think that's how I feel about it too. Kelsey has just elevated himself. He has, he has smashed the Gronk tier, spray painted over it, and said Travis Kelsey was here.

And then he got a penalty on that play. A couple more. Let's do these ones real quick before we get into the Thursday night preview because that's part of today's show as well. King and Drake, what do you do? Let's make it easy. Let's make it a quick easy. Another quote for my friend Jason Moore is a backster situation where I would punt him off of the bridge. Well, you would because you want Doug Martin in place of him. Yes. Yes, clearly. No, that is not true at all. Stop putting words in my mouth.

I would. I want that to be a thing. I would not rather have Doug Martin than Drake. I would not drop him, but if I can package him and get him the heck out of Dodge, then I would. I hope we have some painters out there, and they can put some Mike and Doug Martin on canvas together. Maybe he's stolen through a park. As long as we are shirtless and hugging, then I'm okay with it. Oh, sure, sure. The muscle hamster himself. Nip to nip! Derek Henry.

33rd overall was where he was drafted. He's the RB 57. He is atrocious. I just tried to drop him, but I got outbid by a dollar. I've had... So I'm stuck with him. It's funny. I have Edo Smith in the listener league. I had him a week ahead of time, which speaks more to how bad my team is. But I've been offered every one of these middling players for Edo Smith. I mean, Derek Henry, passing them along.

No, I don't have any interest. He's one yard before contact, which is the second worst in the league right now. And that's more indicative of an O-line that's struggling immensely, giving up 11 sacks last week. Dionne Lewis was third worst in that metric. And he used to be Mr. Gainte a bunch of yards before contact. Derek Henry is the problem. And we spoke about this. I think it was on the footcast, Mike, last week.

For the patrons, we were talking about the problem with Corey Davis is the same problem with Tewan Taylor, which is the same problem with Dionne Lewis, which is the same problem with Derek Henry, which is... The same problem is Marcus Mariotto. It is Marcus Mariotto. Yeah. That is the problem. He's his own problem. Yeah, he's the Titans problem. Yeah, disappointing. He's not good. Thursday Night Breakdown.

It's going to be a game of football. The Broncos at 2 and 4 take on the 1 and 5 Cardinals on Thursday night. I hope you like running backs. Cardinals hurt. Mike McCoy Revenge game. Oh. He's going to run so hard up the middle. Right out. Just try and stop us. And my work, though, the Broncos are 28th in the league against the run. The Cardinals are 31st against the run. They give up 27 and 32 points to the fantasy running backs.

per week, which is atrocious, and the Cardinals are one and a half point home underdogs in a 41.5 point over under game. I like the Cardinals' defense at home against a struggling case Keenum. I think that that's something you can play in this game. I think that the player that I'm most excited for this week, that it's a bubble player, right? It's not just, oh, yeah, well, of course you start them every week.

is Royce Freeman. I think Royce, this is a great, if you can't play Royce Freeman against the Arizona Cardinals, then you can't ever play Royce Freeman. I would be happy to play him. I've thought about making him my start of the week. I've looked at offering trade offers for him in leagues where I need a play this week from someone I can get cheap. That's a really strong take.

Yeah. Because he had a very, he did not get a lot of carries last week. And, you know, Lindsay didn't get a lot. He still led a snap percentage. What happened last week was Denver was just completely manhandled by, uh, by their opponent. And they were down. And so Devont, Booker.

was on the field but he let him snap percentage of those three running backs and if you look at by a butt hair but sure well regardless he was still there and then and then uh you know booker was on the field way too much but do does anybody here think the cardinals are going to be up where the the broncos are going to be having to run their two minute offense for half of the game no i actually i agree

Remember how bad Latavius Murray was? Unownable, unstartable. How bad the Vikings' offensive line when it comes to rushing the ball was? How did he do against Arizona? Yeah, he had at least five. Explosive plays. I am with Jason. I think Royce Freeman's a fine play this week. Would you play Lindsay? I would play Lindsay over him. Well, that's my point. Why isn't Lindsay the start of the week if you would play Lindsay over Royce Freeman? Because Lindsay's a...

Every week's starter, in my opinion. He's worked his way. I actually would play Freeman over Lindsay. Oh, wow. To me, Philip Lindsay has worked his way. I see Andy's hand going there, and I say, yes, sir. Waterbed. Lindsay has become from an undrafted free agent into a, you don't even really have to talk about him because you start him every week. Okay. Well, good. Good. The Cardinals can't play defense. We know that, at least against the running back position.

We talked about Christian Kirk. We talked about picking him up as a flyer. Can you play him at home in this game against Denver? I mean, they are... This is just not a high-scoring affair. Yeah, look, when you've got two teams that are both beatable on the ground and both teams have running backs that should be able to succeed in that role, let's just play out that possibility of the game script. That means...

This is a low scoring game. The clock is running. You know, the game ends a little bit quicker in real time, fewer points scored. So I like the running backs here. I like the defenses here for those reasons. But I'm not crazy about really any of the wide receivers. You've got to play Manuel Sanders. Yes, he's earned a, he's just, you have to start him. He's the clear cut number one target. You could play four other wide receivers in this game. You could play Christian Kirk or Larry.

at home, you could play Demarius Thomas, certainly, or Cortland Sutton. Would you rather play Demarius? Just not excited about anything. Rankings will be out later today, but just on the spot off the cuff, would you rather play Demarius Thomas or Christian Kirk? DT. I mean, that's, it's close. Waterbed. No, no, I am definitely not water betting that one. It's too late. He hit the button. That's a binding contract. Jason, you've made a point of saying this game is an atrocious.

opportunity for fans on Thursday night. Yes. Let's make it interesting. Yeah, well, let's put some bets out there as many bets out there as possible. All right. Justin Rosen versus Case Keenham. Who you got? I got Case. Waterbed. Yes. All right. Here's the deal. Oh, man. Jason made the point. There are four other players you could start. Just because we're water betting on it doesn't mean we want to start them.

The difference-making factor for any flex-play is what does the game's outlook look like? This is a 40-point over-under with struggling quarterbacks. That is normally the difference maker that lets me put in a John Brown or a Corey Davis or somebody else in a different match-up over a Demeris Thomas, Cortland, Sutton, Christian Kirk. All right. So let me ask this question. The Broncos defense, they are currently ranked 22nd against fantasy tight ends. There is a tight end who in the past three weeks has had...

52 or more yards twice. 52 yards last week, 5 for 69. But right in the middle of that was a giant uncooked goose egg. Ricky Seals Jones, do you have any faith to play him at home against a decent matchup? Faith, no. You have to have Kahunas to play. You're going Indiana Jones stepping out.

And hoping that the bridge appears. Yeah, no thanks. Yeah, and I'm afraid of heights, so I'm with Andy. If that middle game, maybe, you know, if that was a cooked goose egg, I might be willing. But it was uncooked. It was uncooked and rotten. Let's answer some questions and not talk about this game anymore. Mailbag. Bag or bag. All right. If you have a question, go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com to submit your question or dial our voicemail hotline 302464 TFFB.