Week 8 Studs & Duds + Reactions & Breaking News! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 10/30

You know? Yeah, I did this. Andy and I made a trade. We made a trade in part because I picked Dak up off of waivers. And I decided. Yeah, I was done. I should have picked up Dak. Did you not know this? You knew that trade happened this morning. I did not. No, I traded him Pacheco, too. Oh. I'm in. All right. I guess you're buying. Yep. Running backs. The Gus bust got it done. Beep, beep. I mean, I could hit that three times. Three touchdowns against Arizona start of the week. Got it done at the expense of Zayflowers and Lamar and the Gus bus handling it. He's averaging 17 opportunities per game, and he's the RB6 and RB1 the last two weeks. And I can tell you right here that Papa Josh would not have a victory this week without the Gus bus. Absolutely. Also, Lamar Jackson, tap pass. Look into it. Okay. Okay. Just say, I'd love, look, if I'm at the goal line too,

I would love to have Gus Edwards because I think that he's a great goal I'm back. He's a beast of a man, but just, you know. Look into the tap pass. They need to learn how, just drop it into his hands. They need to learn how to do the tap pass. On a regular handoff? On a regular handoff. Like, wait until he's ahead of you. Oh, you do the behind the bat. The running back gets behind, like, puts his hands behind you. Oh. So that way you can kind of talk. I mean, you got to learn how to catch it backwards. Yeah, that's pretty tough. What if you just like toss it over your shoulder? Oh, no, that's a lateral still. Yeah. It has to be a forward pass. We can figure this out. What if you take.

the shotgun snap 20 yards back, like a punter and then throw it to your running back standing in his normal spot. Yeah, we figured it out. If you did that, that throw is still negative yards. There's a negative three-yard throw, isn't it? Correct. Yes. But it would be forward. If they were tackled right there, then yes. All right. Christian McCaffrey. Oh, he's so good. At this point, what's nice is he has a touchdown at 17 straight games. Unstoppable. But he breaks the record with 18, so you know. Oh, for sure. They're going to. Go for that. He's going to get a touchdown on his bye week. He might get one next week, yeah. Alvin Camara. Just six points. Alvin Camara was a monster. Yep. I heard on Sirius XM the debate of like, okay, Christian McCaffrey is the running back one, period, like obviously. But then it was like, who's two? Who is number two? And Alvin Camara is at least in the conversation. He has not been outside of.

RB1 territory since he's been back. He has so many targets and he's looked really, really good. I wouldn't put him at two, but he is good enough to be in that conversation. Let me ask you a really difficult question that other people may be considering in dynasty leagues because Alvin Camara dynasty commodity is not a commodity. No. However, I was offered last week Alvin Camara and a little bit of extra for Josh Jacobs, who's 25 years old. And I'm in a season where I could have won a championship or I could win a championship. Right. Although I did lose to Jason this week. Sorry about that. Because Jason, he had, Jason had every single player on his team score a touchdown. And Jason had almost every one of them scoring a five minutes span. It was insane. I mean, it was like he has Jalen Hertz. Jalen Hertz threw two touchdowns. One to DeVante Smith, who he has. Waddle grabbed a touchdown. E.T.N. scored a touchdown. Andrew scored a touchdown.

All right next. Bejohn scored a touchdown. And I looked up in our game, like I'm going to score 150 points. Yeah. And I'm going to get blown out. But anyways. Sorry. What would you do in that situation? Because obviously, Josh Jacobs is young enough to be a valuable asset in Dynasty for a long period of time, whether it's with this team or another team. Like, I don't think any of us are swapping Sequin for Camara right now in a dynasty, are we? No. So then what do you do in that? Like, are you? Do you believe enough in Alvin Camara rest of season to try to buy a title with him? Because if he's in contention for the number two running back, I mean, he's come back to, he's averaging 150 targets in the games he's been back. I don't want to say. Because you're afraid I'll go do it? You have to do that deal. You have to. I mean.

I don't want you to because you are easily the biggest competition for me in our dynasty league. Your team is excellent. In fact, I told Mike that morning, I was like, how does, I know you had a loss, but I was like, how does anybody beat Andy's team? Apparently you just go nuclear. Yeah, everyone on your team scores. That's how you do it. But I would hate for you to make that trade. Right now, Camara is still under contract for a couple more years. He would be... They can get out, but... They can get out next year. I don't know that they would. I don't know that they want to, but just saying next year, a post... If I'm seeing it right on over the cap, a post-June 1.6 dead cap. And if you don't do it that, then you're in with Camara for the next couple years. But which Cameras... And I get, you know, how long was the, like, Derek Carr contract? It was a couple years, right?

I believe it was a couple years because that's what it is. This production is, Camara's been incredibly inefficient on the ground. We have a full four weeks in a row of averaging 3.6 yards per carry. It's not a perfect stat, of course, but he's getting so much volume, but it's all these targets. I mean, Derek Carr is, Derek Carr cannot stop himself from checking down to Camara. He's like, I don't. I don't want to do it, no, but there he is. I see him again. And it's working. And even afterwards, I think he makes the completion to Kamara and then goes, ah, I did it again. All right. In the huddle. It's not going to you. Then he sees him. Yeah. So I mean, and then I told somebody this past week, I was like Travis E.TN, he can't keep scoring touchdowns like this. He did it again. Yeah. He has seven touchdowns in four weeks. This game looked like, I mean, he left the game with an ankle injury.

I thought I caught a break in a couple of leagues. He comes back 56-yard receiving touchdown. Yeah, he's a month straight of being a top five running back. Hey, welcome back. Yeah, big receiving day. That was a really nice seat. It was very inefficient on the ground, but Echler's superpower has always been the receiving work. While you don't have Mike Williams, obviously rest of season, you've got a banged up Palmer. Echler's going to be great through the air. Next week, a much more difficult journey on the road against the Jets. But, I mean, you're still going to play him. I think he's going to be great. The rest of season, he's got a two-week, very difficult stretch after that. It is. It is. Yeah, I mean, the wheels are up and the plane is flying. Javante Williams, Jason. You asked me this morning, how many carries did Javante have? I was like 10? No. 20? No, 27.

I mean, the game script was something Denver is unfamiliar with. Massive lead, five turnovers, short fields, waste the clock, but cold weather, keep Mahomes on the sideline. I don't think this is going to be super common. Obviously, 27 carries is a very outrageous number. However, what it does say is as he's gotten back to health, Andy, you brought this up last week. I didn't think that we would see kind of a transition to him. really being the full lead focal point of the running back room. But it seems like that might happen. Now, they're going on buy this week. So coming out of the buy a little bit more time since that injury, giving him a massive workload, I'm very interested in Giovante. Let's go to wide receiver. CD Lamb, 14 targets, 12 for 158. He was so good. If you didn't see that game.

The stat line is awesome. Two touchdowns. The stat line is awesome, but the stat line is still not even good enough. He was just, he was so much better than everybody. He would have been over 200 if this game had any competitive fire over the back half. 41% of teams targets. Obviously, like I said, I almost traded for him. I went and looked at the game lock from the previous weeks and it was just kind of like so blasé. It was so like. Is this team not believe in C.D. Lamb? I don't understand it. It's not like Brandon Cooks and Michael Gallup and Jake Ferguson are moving the football very often. So they went back to what got them there. Hopkins, 4-4-1, 28, and 3. You playing them against Pittsburgh on Thursday? I guess so. I mean, Pittsburgh is a great matchup. And they lost Mika Fitzpatrick. So, I mean, yeah, Hopkins will be in your lineup. Rashid Shaheed.

This is a bigger, broader discussion. You won't stay in the Saints. There's lots to talk about. Sure. I figured we did talking about it in a different part of the show under Chris Olave. But, you know, I've watched the miced-up version of Derek Carr. And, you know, he gets to the sideline. He gets the playbook. He asked to take a shot. He's not asking for Olave. He's asking for Shaheed. They have something special. All of his shots, a lot of his shots, are to Shaheed, and they work. And then his shots to Olave have not worked at all. And he seems frustrated with Chris Olave. It didn't help that Olave took a wide open ball off the helmet. I think there is just there, there is some disconnect between Olave and Derek Carr right now. Absolutely. Because there was, there was that play, which was as if Chris Olave turns around.

It's an easy catch. It's a walking. He was turned around. He didn't turn around at the right time. He turned around, faced the football in perfect timing, but his, you couldn't tell because the camera, his eyes had to be closed. I'll watch it again, but my take on it after watching it was the ball was in the air before he turned and he must have just lost it. So, but this was a touchdown. This was a great throw. Olava should catch, a normal wide receiver should catch this, go into the end zone. And. If I'm not mistaken, I think there was a play right after that where it was a terrible throw. And then Olavi was mad. So I think they're both just getting mad at each other. I agree. Is what it seems like. And it's a contentious thing. He gave up on the route. Yes. Even though the ball was bad. Yeah. Like, but Carr was furious with him. And like I said, I'd watch the sideline stuff. It's like, hey, I want to run this play for Shaheed. I want to run this play for Shaheed. Like three for 153?

It's funny because those were his only three targets. He only played 27% of snaps. It's like a Marvin Mims. I was he saying you remember Robert Meacham? Sure. He used to do that stuff. It was like deep shot. Nothing else. Yeah, I had someone asking me about starting Shaheed. I told them not to. You know, whoops. Yeah. But it was, you know, Shaheed has had his bad games are, you know. If he doesn't catch a long bomb, it's 28 total yards, 28 total yards, 33 total yards. And he's not playing a ton of snap. So it's tough. I mean, are you picking up Shaheed because of the bombs and the connections? He's the pick up a guy on Sunday morning because someone gets hurt like Palmer and then throw him in your lineup and pray. Right. Didn't you face Shaheed this week, Papa Josh? They had to feel real good.

Oh, it sucked. Yeah, I mean, because nothing like getting beat by a guy that you're like, yeah, I'm glad he's in the lineup. Jalen Waddle, 12, 7 for 1, 21, Tyree Kill, 13 targets, 8 for 1, 12. Monster performances. They're great. You should play them always. Jehan Dodson, 10 targets. He was great. Come on. Come on. McCorin was 5 for 63 in a touchdown. He only caught 5 of 12 targets. This was going to say. There was a couple plays that I was like, That's not Terry McLaren. Right. Jamar Chase, an even 10 for 100 in a touchdown. Which, we didn't mention it in the quarterback section, but for Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow had 43 rushing yards. Like, the dude was running around. This is a healthy Joe Burrow. We're back, baby. I think we are back that the Bengals are going to start putting up the points. Design draw on like third and 10. And ran it for like 14, 15 yards. It was awesome.

Bounce back performances from Devante Smith, seven for 99 and a touchdown. And he was open, he was only open by about 20 yards on that player. Yeah, and AJ Brown, still good. Still over 125. Still over 125. He is just a minimal out there. I heard him called the Decepticon this weekend. And I was like that, that's a better, like he's not a transformer. He's a Decepticon because that dark mask and. the way he grimaces after a catch like i'm afraid of him yeah oh he is he is a terrifying human being just i i i feel like if he if he walked into a room and just like kindly came up and said how's it going i would be in the corner crying so you're too you're too big and strong i think he might he might be able to take dk mackoff now i don't know

Speaking of that, he's wearing his own uniform for Halloween, Brooks. Yep. Yeah, that's what I would. If I was AJ Brown, I'd just dress up as myself. Yeah. That's good. Tyler Lockett. Can I switch my costume to AJ Brown? Nice trying. You're going to need some muscles. Tyler. Oh, that's fair. Not just some. All of them. Tyler Lockett. From, is he going to play to nine targets, eight for 81 and a touchdown? Are we? What do you do with this guy? What do you do with the whole Seahawks? Sure. That room is kind of crazy. You had D.K. Metcalfe who missed the previous week come. And he had, do you know D.K. Metcalf's the line? I don't off the top of my head. I watched him not catch a bunch of targets. Okay. That's exactly right. That's how it looked. His line was five for 67. What? How many targets do you think he had for those five receptions?

You're too low. You're too low. 12. Oh, gosh. He had 14 targets. I watched him. What happened? You know, he's getting kind of, he drew some PIs. Mm-hmm. You know, which is something that counts for nothing. But, uh, hmm. And you had the rookie get a touchdown again. JS.N. Yep. I did it. What did you do? I knew. I knew. Oh, did you do the camarader trade? Oh, this is the worst. I knew it. Come on, make up, folks on the show. This is why when the question started coming up, I was like, oh, this thing is because I know I'm going to make him do it. It's the right move. And I absolutely hate this for our league. I hate it for having to face you. We'll find out what happens. Trey McBride, 14 targets. 10 for 95. Start of the week. Trey McBride. And expect more of this. I mean, when you have.

a team that's thrown the ball to the tight end as much as Arizona was, which is exactly what we said on Thursday, Friday, you're throwing to, and you consolidate it to one athletic target. Like this is, he broke the record, by the way, for most receptions in a game by an Arizona Cardinal's tight end in history. Nobody's ever had that, and that's just 10. But, you know, he's one of three tight ends, so Gronk and Aaron Hernandez, to record 14 plus targets in a game at age 23 or younger. So maybe this guy. opens up for Trey McBride. Yeah, hopefully we're not getting fooled because he did have a game last year where he was like seven for 70 with a score and then they buried him again. But this is who he's supposed to be. He was a second round pick. He was the first tight end drafted in his class. He had a dominant final season in college. This is who he should beat. So fingers crossed. And Taysam Hill. Only one target, but ends up with two touchdowns.

Yeah, the rushing work was up for him. The goal line carries. So you can buy into that as a possibility. But Joanne Johnson was back and Joanne Johnson was taking the routes away from taking. Yeah, I absolutely love that it worked. You know, we had people pick him up. We had people play him. He was my start of the week. But I am not confident now that we saw Juan back and we saw the route participation. completely disappear. So going forward, he's always someone you can start because of the rushing touchdown upside that exists. And in a matchup against Chicago, you could see that again, but he is not someone that I am super bullish on repeating performances. Quick shout out to Jacob Gibbs at J.A. Gibbs underscore 23. Gibbs. He was the one who shared that quote about the Granc Hernandez, Trame McBride situation. Kittle, you can get, uh,

a lot from kiddo when you have no debo no debo in a negative game script and now what three straight losses for the old 49ers yes i don't mind that they are you guys not in first place yeah the seahawks are leading the division yeah the 49ers looked unbeatable three weeks ago unbeatable three weeks ago i was like I should go put a bet on the 49ers going undefeated. Did you? No. Oh, thank goodness. No, I did not, but it was looking at this team, looking at their schedule, because it was Cleveland against the backup, then it was the Vikings, and then, you know, the Bengals who had been struggling. But the NFL is a funny place. Yeah, yeah, wow, 49ers. That interception he threw down near the goal line, Jason. Did you see that one?

where Purdy rolled right and then he just threw it. It was the lineman catch that you love. Yes. Oh, I do remember that. Jason always had a dream in our flag football leagues that he would just catch the ball as the lineman putting his hands up in pick six. Yes, just while running towards the quarterback to sack him, just grab the ball out of the air when he throws it over you and how was it? Hawkinson did great. Maybe it's a bomb voyage to Titan 3, but he should still be heavily in time. Tighten 3, probably not because of touchdowns, but he's going to, he'll be peppered. David Najoku looked real good this week. He did. If you watch that game, he looked awesome. Yeah, he's super athletic, lots of targets. I was surprised he only ended up with four receptions, but yeah, no, he was, he was very active. I mean, he looked hard to tackle. Fergie got into the end zone, four for 47.

The catch was awesome. It was like a play so athletic. I was like, that can't be Jake Ferguson, is it? And it was. The connection between him and Dak have been really, really strong lately. And I think you stay in the flames with Fergie. Cole Komet, 10 for 79 with Bejit. Yeah. Logan Thomas back into the end zone. Dalton Kincaid had the good Thursday night. All right. The not so good. Poopped in his big boy pants. Last week's superstars, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, their pants were too big. Yeah. And Lamar threw for 157 and 1 against the Cardinals. And to be fair, the Cardinals were in the game. They scored 17 fourth quarter points. They got an onside kick that would have put them with a chance to win the game or tie the game.

Had they gotten the two-point conversion? Yeah, it was a very disappointing performance from a quarterback that you thought was going to be a complete smash. But also when you have three rushing touchdowns, it's very difficult. You know, Gus Edwards basically ruined Lamar Jackson's Fantasy Day if those touchdowns, you know, they scored enough points as an offense. Yeah, 31. How many teams play in your standard fantasy football league? 12. I think 12 is probably this. And the second most 10. 10, right. If I told you that one time this year, Trevor Lawrence finished inside the top 10 at the quarterback position in eight starts, would you believe me? Because Trevor Lawrence is. Trevor Lawrence is going on the buy. And the question now is, do you drop Trevor Lawrence? Because if Dax there, you do?

Am I right? You do drive? Okay, Mike wants, is there like a victory lap he could take? I will be taking it. Do you want to go around the table, Mike? I got these headphones, otherwise I would. You are dunking on the fact that Trevor Lawrence was expensive and drafts and DAC was free and DAC has been better and DAC will be better. And if DAC is on waivers, I think all three of us would now agree. Yes. It's Dak Preska. Mike doesn't need to say anything because the players have said it themselves. I'll be back. I'll be back. Now, the irony of it is that Trevor Lawrence and Jacksonville are dominating in terms, like they've won five consecutive games. And he's playing well. And the offense looks good. It's Travis E.T.N. Yes, it really is. And what's crazy, too, is they're going to, they go on by. San Francisco goes on by. And then we come out with Jacksonville, San Francisco in Jacksonville after the bye week. San Francisco is going to be like, that's going to be a tough game. Yeah. It's.

Could you imagine if they lose that and they lose four in a row? I will bet that the line of that game is, it's like pick them. I bet it's like, I bet it's Jacksonville minus 0.5. And I don't, I mean, we don't have it yet. It's, it is totally travis CETN. Look at the situation of Dallas, the complete lack of scoring that Tony Pollard has had. If that flipped with the way that ETN is producing, then there's no way DAC is putting up numbers. We had a very. Good starts of the week, week here on the show. But one of them did not perform. CJ Stroud, 16 for 24, 140, and nothing. If you played Stank Dell, you didn't get anything. If you played Nico Collins, you didn't get anything. So it was really a slog. You know, you tuned into this game with four minutes left. It was 1312. Not what you hope for in the battle of the rookie quarterbacks. Tony Pollard, 12 for 53. Gross.

in a game that really should have had a lot of Tony Pollard. Tony Pollard's longest run. Let me read this to you. 13 yards. The week before, longest run. Seven. The week before, longest run. 10. The week before, longest run, 16. This is playing out exactly like Lamar Miller when he was in Miami, when everything was an explosive play, and then he becomes the bell cow. This team was supposed to be predicated on the running game. And I'm not saying Tony Pollard is bad. But I think if I told you eight weeks into the season that you have a running back that has not scored at all since week one, is 3.9 on the ground in this, you know, heralded rushing McCarthy offense. And even worse, he's not catching a ton of passes. Yeah, he has not been good for fantasy football. The last five weeks.

He is the running back 33. He has fewer fantasy points than Tajay Spears and Najee Harris and Demarcato. What did you just say before that? Whose name did you utter? Najee Harris has more fantasy points of Tony Pollard over the last five weeks. And Najee has not been good. He has been bad. I do wonder about the ankle. You rewind the clock. Tony Pollard had a devastating season ending ankle injury last year. And that's why when it was he got the franchise tag and Zeke got shipped out, it was, oh, that's very interesting. That's a vote of confidence for Tony Pollard being able to come back. But I'm curious if that is, that's still a problem for him. I mean, the first three weeks, it wasn't a problem, right? I mean, he started the season pretty strong. He looked like one of the best fantasy picks.

You know, when you were heading into week four, you can still wear down. 65% of snaps, obviously, the blowout script. I mean, he's out there. And he's probably a trade for Canada if somebody is really out on him, just because he's the bell cow of a good team. And we talked about the schedule, right? With Dak, that's going to be. Actually, you brought that out because it's bad for runners. Yes, it's tough for Tony. Any chance they bring Derek Henry in? I think that the, if Henry is moved, it's Baltimore or Dallas, yes. Yeah. Kenneth Walker finally had a dud, eight for 66, no touchdown. Yeah. Charbonnet, 59% of snaps. It sucks. It feels bad because he was left off the injury report, but he did miss two days with an injury. Remandre and Zeke. Remandre, 10 for 39 on the ground. Zeke, seven for 36 on the ground. Four targets for Remandre. No targets for Zeke, but bad. Yep.

Disappointing game. Very, very disappointing fantasy-ass output, but still that 60-40 split we've been seeing. And I'm not too worried about the total performance for Ramandre Stephen sucks. Yeah, I mean, it's just a matter of you have a leader of a committee on a bad team. Right. That's the hardest part. Aaron Jones, I don't know if we're going to get real Aaron Jones back. Did you see the report that? There, the Green Bay Packers are maybe looking for a running back. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, I did watch AJ Dillon, so that would make sense. I thought about putting A.J. Dillon into my hierarchy of least favorite players to watch play football, which. Did Derek Carr, has he moved down a bit on that? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair. In part because Camero only had five targets, which is a credit to him to throw the ball to other people.

Like I know we say he can't resist it, but, you know, three big bombs to Shaheed. Mack Jones stays on the list, I think. Okay, fair. But yeah, AJ Dylan, nobody runs into a butt better than AJ Dylan. He is, it's very, I mean, he got it done. AJ Dylan got it done in the receiving game. Very strange. But his, his ground game is so disappointing to us. I have to imagine it is. incredibly disappointing to the Packers. If you told me somebody a dude's built like a, he's built like Derek Henry. If you told me that someone trained him as a young kid to when he gets the football out of the backfield to close his eyes, scream and run straight. I would say, yeah, I can see that. Yeah. Pacheco, hugely disappointing game for Isaiah Pacheco, but this, you understand why. Yep. Eight for 40. Negative game script from the jump. Five turnovers.