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Value Picks + Ultimate Draft Day Foods

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happy's the wrong word but take advantage of the knee like earlier on in the draft season Sony Michelle was was going in the top of the third round the middle of the third round it was I remember him in the back of the second and we didn't I didn't want to pay that price knowing knowing that there is the risk even though the upside is there but now that he has dropped sometimes going at the beginning of the fifth or the back of the fourth

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I'm with Andy. That's an incredible value. He's phenomenal. And the worry for me is 100% injury and injury alone. And last year you might be saying, well, one of your tips was don't buy the injury dip. Yeah, I did want to bring that up and ask you how you felt about Sony. Yeah. This isn't buying the injury. He's not injured. Yeah. When I'm talking about don't buy the injury dip, I'm talking about your AJ Greens. You know, the people who are deep, who currently have a hamstring issue or something where it's like, oh, people don't want him because he's a little bit injured.

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Don't buy that guy. Right now he's healthy. I don't think he's going to play 16 games. And even if he doesn't and you get him where you're getting him and he misses three games in the middle of season or whatever happens, you're probably getting a huge value. Yeah, you talk about the temporary value of a Justin Jackson. Oh, my goodness, the difference between Justin Jackson and Sony and Michelle. And you have to look, when I watched the playoffs last year and we watched football all season long, those three games were the

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The best opportunity for me to look at that offense and say, this is what they want to do on a regular basis. That is the prescription. That is what they want their offense to be. They won a Super Bowl on the back of Sony Michelle. This is what they want. They know that the lifespan of running backs in the NFL is limited. They drafted Damian Harris to prove it. And they went out and signed Rex Burkhead two years ago because of that, even when they had what looked like a stable of running backs.

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But things going correct for New England means Sonny Michelle's probably scoring double-digit touchdowns and probably leading the AFC in total carries. Yeah, I mean, if he plays 16, that's an outlandish value in the fourth. And can I just give a shout out to old man Brady? He looked. He looked great. The zip on the ball was like, is he getting younger? I made a trade offer for Sonny Michelle yesterday that I was really surprised.

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was rejected. Let's hear it. Can I bring it forward to you? Sure, please. And it includes, Mike's going to go next because it includes the player you're going to bring up. Okay. I wanted a share of Sony Michelle in a Dynasty League. And so I offered Josh Gordon, Kaelin Belange, and Devin Singletary all three for Sony Michelle and the injury wrist last night. It was difficult for me to press the button.

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I looked around the office. I see Al Borland shaking his head. He couldn't believe that I sent that offer. It was rejected in like 60 seconds. I think I would have said no. Which is fine. Which is fine. It has a very fair offer. Which is something you've never said to me. I've said it before. It's just something you rarely do. So.

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I just thought that that was a pretty strong offer in a dynasty league. I did. Sure. All right, Mike, you are going to bring up Josh Gordon. Yep, the player you tried to trade away. Oh, I think he is a value right now. I didn't want to go to Patriots, but Josh Gordon is just, he has to be talked about right now going at the beginning of the seventh. But here's what's crazy about Josh Gordon. We don't actually know what his ADP is, and nor does anyone else in your league.

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People don't know what to pay for Josh Gordon. And that causes him to drop going in the seventh round right now. And he was actually very good for fantasy last year in spurts. Like he went to the Patriots at the end of September. It was not an easy road for Josh Gordon. Everyone seems like they give Amari Cooper so much great. Well, he ate grace. He had to change teams halfway through.

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So did Josh Gordon. And Josh Gordon, he balled out several times for the New England Patriots, especially when Rob Gruncowski was not in. Last year, in games where Rob Gruncowski was playing, Josh Gordon was averaging about 50 yards and a quarter of a touchdown. Without Grunk, those numbers jump up to over 80 yards and half a touchdown per game. You're not getting a wide receiver one that Josh Gordon had. I mean, Andy talks about you.

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You feel like the range of outcomes for Sammy Watkins. That top end is not there. I'm not sure it's there for Josh Gordon anymore as well. But he is still an excellent player. Just talked about how Tom Brady looks like he's young and has some zip, at least right now. If you want a player that can make the most of the opportunities given him, you want a player with an 18-yard per catch touchdown upside of Josh Gordon. I think last night Jacobi Myers starting the game for New England.

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along with Philip Dorset is the greatest endorsement of your value pick of Josh Gordon you could possibly receive. Because if Josh Gordon is back on the field, you can bet he's starting over Jacoby Myers. Yes. And if you want to walk down the narrative street, which sometimes I like to take a stroll. I take a stroll from time to time because you've got to try and get into the heads of these coaches and these GMs. The Patriots would have dumped Josh Gordon if they thought that it was done. Yes.

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They would not have dealt with this nonsense over the off season, but they said they've been more than gracious for Josh Gordon. They've told him, your spot is here. Deal with your stuff. Your spot on this team is waiting for you when you come back. He is on the, he's on the inactive list right now. But he's on the path to being reinstated. And last year, if you look.

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You got to take out the terrible game against Pittsburgh, but that's when everything. The wheels fell off for Josh Gordon, had that terrible game, and then he was gone. But he was the wide receiver 24 in that period. And there's only upside now, like I talked about, with the splits now that Gronk is gone, who's the biggest beneficiary now that Rob Grownkowski's not on this team? If Josh Gordon is playing, the answer is Josh Gordon. You're more interested in Robbie Anderson still than Josh Gordon?

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Yes, because they're going fairly close together right now, at least in the ADP data that I have of Josh Gordon. Just for potential sealing, I would go with Robbie. What about Dedy Westbrook versus Josh Gordon? Because D.D. is a little bit more of a value right now. That's a PPR decision. Sure. If it, in roster construction. I mean, D.D. is going to be safe for floor, but Josh Gordon, Josh Gordon's ceiling is higher than DEDY's.

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You brought up the splits without gronk, and, you know, it's a small sample size, but it was a universal. Every game that he played without gronk, he was anywhere from nine targets to 12 targets. He was almost in all three of those games at 100 yards. I mean, he was a dominant force in those games without gronk. So there is the upside that he is a monster, and I'm glad you're bringing him up. Like, I still think there's a ton of risk.

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Right. I've said it before. If he plays 16 this year, it'll be the first time since 2012, his rookie year. I'm not banking on him for the long term. That being said, it's nice to bring up because when I've been in drafts this last week, he's a name that is so easy to forget about because you're in your online platform and you're looking at your ADP order and you're just looking at the next five or 10 wide receivers and you don't, you might not.

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scroll like depending on how you're doing it like if you're using the ultimate draft kit app you'll have our order and you'll be safe but if you're using you know it's side by side and you're just looking at kind of the next guys up in the queue you might forget to see josh gordon where you should be taking so you don't want to forget to see you don't want to forget to see you just open your eyes look why do you close your eyes every time that's what i'm saying don't forget it's good luck i always close my eyes and hope i'm clicking the draft button

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Do you just pick a random player? No, that's a good point. And if you're trying to manage where you take Josh Gordon, you can play that game of the ADP buffer. If you're drafting on a platform and you see these names up above Josh Gordon and you want to see where you're going to be able to steal him, you know, people are not, they're not in on it. They're not in on Josh Gordon. I have got some low-ball trade offers and part of me wants to just trade him because...

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He's great until he's off the field again. And there's risk in that department. But Jason, this is where you normally would have talked about D.D. Westbrook. Oh, my value is D.D. Westbrook. He can be a value and a breakout. He is both. And I really love him. But I'm going to pivot to a guy that Andy has championed for the whole offseason. He was one of the first to the table saying early on, you've got to not forget about Matt Breda.

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who is a great running back. He is actually really, really good. The only people he was behind in efficiency numbers are basically Alvin Camara, Aaron Jones, and Caryon Johnson. He's in that tier of, you know, breakaway runs. He actually has the most breakaway runs for 10 plus yards out of all qualifying running backs in the NFL since 2017. He knows the system. He's in the system. Jerich McKinnon has had a rough time coming back.

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Good news, guys. He is now finally ready for individual drills. He's not, I mean, look, I was a big fan of McKinnon before the ACL injury last year. That happened, and it hasn't been smooth sailing coming back. Right now, it's Tavin Coleman and Matt Breda. And the thing is, is this is a valuable, like Kyle Shanhan's running backs are always valuable for fantasy. And if you look at other running back twos that are being.

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that are like weekly startable players with the huge upside of if the other guy goes down, you're paying a lot more for them. Latavius Murray as the backup is in the sixth round. James White to Sony Michelle is in the fifth round. Tariq Cohen is in the sixth round. These are guys that they're in time shares already. And here's Matt Breda. And here's Matt Breda. At the back of your draft, he's in double digit rounds. His average draft positions deep in the 10th. And he actually has.

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probably more opportunity than a lot of those other guys I mentioned because Tevin Coleman, I mean, if Matt Breed comes out and is the one and Tevin Coleman's the two, I don't think anybody will be shocked. We expect Tevin Coleman to be the one and Breed to be the two. But the point is like, there's no world where Latavius Murray comes out and he's the one and Alvin Camer is the two.

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You've got a guy who's proven it in this system, and that was for a team that was struggling last year with injuries everywhere. I mean, Vegas has San Francisco. Well, and he couldn't score either. Like last year, he could not score. Put up those efficiency numbers. If he had scored, I don't think the perception is the same. Is he going to score? Well, maybe not, but if you believe the offense is better, which some do, some don't. Jimmy G. looking handsome, handsome face, not so handsome on the field. Looks only. Looks only. I knew it. Looks only.

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It's strange because I will, I'll clump Kevin Coleman as a value in there too because he's going after Sony Michelle. He's going in the fifth round. And you start to look at the draft and say, you know, I almost always go running backs early. I just did the CBS draft the other day for the telethon. I went running back, running back, running back in a three-wide receiver league. But then you start to hypothesize if I can go into a draft and draft two stud-wide receivers and end up with either Chris Carson and Sony-Michel or Sony-Michel.

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and Kevin Coleman or Chris Carson and Kevin Coleman, any of those combinations, I feel great. Yeah, I like doing, if I'm not at the top of the draft, that's how I've been doing it. Yeah. And so yesterday on the series show, Mike, we brought up submissions for Electric Avenue, the nickname. Yes. One that I thought you should consider as well. Philip Lindsay's deserving of.

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a little electric avenue consideration. That's not bad. I think Jason feels like he just discovered something. No, no, no. You just reminded me of something because he had the hair coming out of the back of the helmet, just like Philip Lindsay, looked like him except a much larger version. You guys check out Rodney Anderson on the field. He looked very good. He looked very big. He looked very big. But he was moved. He could move his body for a big man. I'm just saying, he's out there. If you, if you have Joe Mixing.

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Spin that fab. I feel like those moments are so strange for our listeners because they're not around you every day. It's not like you brought Rodney Anderson up on the show more than a couple times. Most people are going, who's Rodney Anderson? Rodney Anderson's a backup running back, the third string running back for the vaulted Bengals offense. But Jason loved, loved loved him in draft scouting time and.

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College production when he wasn't injured was incredible. To be fair to Anderson, he dropped because of a torn ACL. And a million other injuries. Also fair. Yes. I think he was the best rookie running back. Like he was my number one ahead of Josh Jacobs. And everyone else, just talent-wise. But he was, what, sixth round? Yeah. They grabbed him just before the Chiefs. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. So, hey, a couple quick reminders first.

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