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NFC North Breakdown, Stack Attack, Chicken Salad

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in the first round, put the crown on his head, took Gurley in the second round. But no, I mean, there are no seasons for Dalvin Cook over 133 attempts, which was last year. But he's been a 4.7-a-carry guy. 40 receptions in 2018. That's where people need to remember Dalvin Cook, because who's going to catch the ball out of the backfield in this offense? Dalvin. It's just Dalvin. Stay healthy, my friend. Stay healthy. But if he's not.

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Alexander Madison is going to be very interesting. And just throwing us out there before we move on to the Packers right now, Mike, you have Diggs above Thielen. Jason, you have Thielen above Diggs, and I have Thielen two spots above Diggs. So every year we get to weigh in on the digs feeling thing for the remainder of our natural life. Oh, I can't wait. It has every year turned out to be Thielen, and it will continue to turn out to be Thielen. Obviously, that's my, that's my rank. Well, our.

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Yes, of course. All right, the Packers. This is a difficult team to talk about when it comes to fantasy expectations outside of probably one player. The Packers were six, nine, and one. You're down on Rogers? I'm not down on Rogers. I believe in Rogers, but expectation-wise, efficiency-wise, what the offense looks like? Will he be upper echeline? It's been a little while.

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since he's turned on the Jets for a full season. It's been like a year. Well, he hasn't been healthy. Sure. So if you mix, you mix the replacing of head coach Mike McCarthy for Matt LaFleur. He had, I believe, his least efficient touchdown year last year. You've been banged up multiple years in a row and he's finding himself in that situation. I think there are, there are question marks. There are more question marks around Rogers than Devante Adams. Do you disagree?

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There are definitely more around. From fantasy perspective. Devante Adams, the only question around Devante Adams is should he be the number one wide receiver or should he just be a top three wide receiver? Like that's the biggest question. With Aaron Rogers, obviously he was injured in 2017, healthy for 2018 and he finishes the quarterback six, which was not a payoff of the draft price. Nor the second most past plays in the league, which is not something normal for Aaron Rogers. Right. Finishes sixth.

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Lowest touchdown rate of his career, 4.2%. And this was interesting. Storyline. Aaron Rogers, last 49 games played. He's 24, 24 and 1. That's his record. So changes happening in Green Bay. Let's try to wade through them. Devante Adams locked and loaded. Aaron Rogers, we know he's, we all have him projected to be a top five quarterback, and we're not telling you to draft him early. So I stared him down in the late 5th of our mock. Didn't take him.

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probably some players with higher upside than Aaron Rogers. Yeah, I mean. For a draft price, I mean? Correct. If we're talking about Aaron Rogers, he finishes the quarterback six last year. He had a much less efficient year than he usually has. However, he was dealing with Devante Adams, a decrepit Jimmy Graham, and rookies. And you know what I mean? Like, he didn't have, I think that the crepid. Oh, it's sad, but it's true. Put that on the list of things I don't want.

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Don't want to be described as. I don't want to be labeled as. This year, I think you're going to, you've already had a lot of conversation in and around the building about getting Aaron Jones the ball in the passing game more, which he is so good at. That's going to be helpful. From, from everything we can tell, Marquez Valdez Scantling has taken a step up.

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He appears to be the number two on the outside. Geronimo is going to the slot, which I think is better at this point. So I believe Aaron Rogers has a better wide receiving core and a better all-around team going forward. I really like what they did this whole offseason from a personnel standpoint. So if six was kind of the floor for Rogers, I can't see him not being a, you know, a top end quarterback this season. And for the first time,

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pretty much ever other than when he's injured. He's not being drafted. I mean, you know, his average draft price right now is, I don't know. It's usually where Mahomes is going right now. Right. So Rogers is in the middle of the fifth right now behind Andrew Luck and behind Pat Mahomes. If his wide receiver core has improved, then it's going to be difficult to believe that they'll use Aaron Jones to the degree that fantasy football owners will want.

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out of the backfield. Over the last five years, Green Bay is the second lowest in the league at targeting the running backs out of the backfield. And I think that's just, I think that's a result of Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers is a player that extends plays. Yeah, he'd rather check it. His eyes are downfield at all times. Now, presumably, MVS in year two and a healthy Geronimo, Allison.

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He should have more wide receivers open downfield, and even the decrepit Jimmy Graham helps Rogers more than he does fantasy owners. So I don't know if I buy that Jones will be as heavily utilized in the passing game as we would want him to be, but the beauty of Aaron Jones is he is a hyper-efficient player. So if he's on the field and does receive targets and carries, he has proven to be the most efficient running back in football. So...

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Get him out there a little bit more. Let him do his thing, his Jamal Charles thing. And I think you have a good season from Aaron Jones. And he will have to do that again. I mean, he's obviously doing it, but because the reports coming out of Green Bay are still talking about spreading the backfield around. There is no been, but no inkling that they're going. I've made up a word. That is a new word. Whatever.

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There has been no hints, no whispers from the bushes from the Green Bay camp that they're going to feature Aaron Jones, which. It doesn't matter. Okay. It doesn't matter. Here's why. Let's say they keep it as a timeshare. There were times last year where Aaron Jones was rocking for fantasy, top 12 through several week stretches as a running back. Let's say they keep them in that same timeshare.

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But instead of Green Bay being the 32nd out of 32 teams in rushing attempts with 333 as a team, they are actually a little bit more balanced, which is also what has been discussed. Last year, they just didn't run the ball. If you're telling me that they're middle of the pack and they're up at 415 carries, I mean, you're talking about almost 100 more carries to split up. So, yeah, maybe he's in a timeshare, but there will...

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by necessity be more volume for Aaron Jones this year, even if he doesn't become the workhorse. So I do like Aaron Jones. I definitely like Aaron Jones, and I hope that that is the case. I believe that he will have a lot more work. He's a great player. I mean, only 133 attempts last year. Turn that into 729 rushing yards, which is pretty incredible, and he only played the 12 games.

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I think we, if I'm honest, I think that we're sifting through these wide receivers day by day outside of Devante Adams. It looks like we're kind of polar opposite in rankings. Mike, you said you are. I'm team Geronimo. You're team Geronimo. Now, you clearly had to have wavered for a period of time on team Geronimo. There was a little stretch there. Your knees were buckling a little bit. Not really knees buckling, but.

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Like the sensation that I did just three quick revolutions. Some butterflies. Yeah, we know the equilibrium was a little bit off, but we settled back and we're, and I'm still with Allison. And even with him moving into the slot, I don't, it doesn't bother me at all that, okay, in two wide receiver sets, it's going to be Adams and Marquez. It's not going to be a lot of two wide receiver sets.

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Aaron Rogers wants his wide receivers out there. And this little nugget here per good friend of the show, Scott Barrett, who says, Rogers career targets. He has gone to the slot wide receiver with 25.6% of his attempts, fourth most. Aaron Rogers likes to target the guy to the slot. And his passer rating to slot wide receivers is 111.6, aka the best. So.

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But it could also be read as Aaron Rogers passed it to Randall Cobb, blank amount of time. Sure, but I think that Geronimo Allison is actually a better wide receiver than Marquez. Okay. Than Marquez? Yes. If you had said better than Randall Cabo would have smacked you. In his heyday, that is. I mean, we don't have anything proven out of Allison. But Randall Cobb is no longer there. And so I think Allison's the second best wide receiver on the team. The Packers ran three wide 78% of the time, second highest in the league behind the Rams.

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I don't know how much I can, you can project it because the floor is coming in, new camp, new offense. Yeah. That's part of the problem to me. Allison hasn't proven himself. NBS hasn't proven himself. So you are taking a level of risk at banking on, you can spin the outside stats, you can spend the inside stats. I think you are literally taking your pick.

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Yes, and I agree with that. And the truth is it could be both. It could absolutely be both. Aaron. No, I don't think that I don't think that would be a problem. I think if both stepped forward, we've seen Aaron Rogers support three wide receivers before when it was James Jones, Devante Adams, and Jordy Nelson. Now, I'm not saying that that's going to happen. I'm saying that that could possibly happen. But while I've got Geronimo Allison definitely leading in targets.

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and, you know, and receptions over Marquez, I do think that for fantasy purposes, the more valuable role is going to be that outside role. And it fits Marquez. The reason why I'm saying get out of here with Geronimo being better than Marquez Valdez Scaleling, I think sure, maybe as a route runner, as, you know, just a, just a Jack of all trades veteran-wide receiver, yes, he's a little better.

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But Marquez Valdez Scantling is one is a pretty good receiver coming into his second year. But two, he is a physical freak. He's 6-4-206 pounds, ran a 4-3-7. So now they're finally getting him on the outside with blazing speed. He's a monster. With Aaron Rogers as a quarterback, I see, like if I'm going to take my shot on a guy who's just going to explode, I don't think it's going to be Geronimo. Give me Jarvis Landry in the slot over Geronimo, Allison, in the slot this year. Yeah. Okay.

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All right, the Lions. We're talking about the Detroit Lions. Yes. Tough division. Yes. Everyone's favorite. My favorite. Ninja's favorite. Everyone's favorite. Your favorite. You know, there were some rumors yesterday as we get into it. I do have some breaking news. I guess I should push the button. Yeah. Breaking news. Very big. Cam Newton will not start on the active PUP. He's healthy. He's ready to go. Oh, man.

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That's good news. That's fantastic news. Good news. Just bro. Cam Newton, ready to go for 2019. Scoove him up late while you can. I love Cam Newton's value this year. Do some booty scooping? We saw this, sir. I love it. Hold on. Wait. Hold on. Hold on. No.

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He's giving me a good score on this one. You're going to rate him on that? Oh, that was booty scooping? Yeah. Yeah. I like it. Come on. I got an eight. I got an eight. All right. But anyways, back to the lions, back to Kerry on Johnson. Some rumors that Theoretic might not even make this roster. What? The rumors were started by me. No, look, he's been one of the least effective third down running backs. Now,

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We've always been kind of as fantasy owners. Look, he's on the field. He gets targeted. You pay attention. But he's not been very effective. Carry on Johnson has a better, like one carry-on Johnson backfield target is not worth the same as one theoretic target. Riddick has a hard time taking the, he can make the reception. He just can't do stuff with the reception. That's been the problem. And so carry-ons more valuable in that capacity. They brought in C.J. Anderson as an off-season edition.

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and they brought in Danny and Dola, who can't function as a short yardage, pepper him with target type of guy. There may not be a need for Theoretic, and I think they save over $3 million if they were to cut him. Now, I'm not saying they will. But let's get it going, people. But let's get it going. Because he'll sign somewhere. We're not, look, he's. You're saying he'll be fine. He'll be fine. Let's start the.

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Feel rid of getting cut train. Because you want carrying Johnson to catch 50 plus passes. You want carry on Johnson to stay healthy. And look, this could be a great year for them. They're going to need to improve on offense, 20th and passing yards per game, 23rd and rushing yards per game, 25th and points per game. Matt Patricia's mark on this offense hasn't been great. He wants something that they couldn't do. To be fair to Matt Patricia, I mean, the.

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