Week 8 Waivers & Streamers + Lineup Locks - Fantasy Football Podcast for 10/24

On today's episode, we break down the Monday night matchup, which we had a lot of fantasy action for that. But more important, it is waiver day. And there are a lot of juicy waiver pickups. We break down all the running backs and the wide receivers. Make sure you subscribe to this channel right now and enjoy. To the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Tuesday episode of the fantasy footballers podcast. Jason Moore is here. Hello. Mike Wright, back in the building. School to be back. I'm Andy Holloway. We have a waiver wire episode for you. We'll talk Monday night football, NFL news. Before the show began, I, you know, got a game seven with the most delightful, you know, Arizona Diamondbacks with baseball.

Baseball fans here. Yeah, what is that? And they're facing the Phillies in the game seven today, and I'm excited about it. And, you know, Jason's throwing out some baseball knowledge this morning, bringing up Cal Ribgen Jr. The fact that he had beautiful eyes, which is true. Yeah, I was not aware of that fact, but I've seen photographic evidence now. And it's true. And Mike thrown out Cecil Fielder, so you can see they've been tracking along. Now, Jason, wait, you're telling me those guys aren't playing anymore? No, it's been a minute. Hmm. Yeah, Cecil Fielder is. So I should drop him from my fantasy baseball team. Uh, yeah, yeah, Cecil especially. Um, welcome in. And now Cal Ripkin Jr. today does not look the same. No. Um, so we'll be, maybe be tuning in. And the Phillies fans, they've been real Philadelphia all over the, the Twitter sphere. So that's been a good time.

Matthew Betts, shout out to the monster. Soon to either be, uh, yeah. Employed or unemployed. A real problem for us or in a depression. Um, okay. Here we are. Monday night football. Who. Everybody saw this coming. Vikings 22, San Francisco 17. We have a losing streak for the 49ers. And not a good one. not a like oh yeah that makes sense it's you lost to a backup quarterback and to didn't they lose the Browns I see yes I see what you're saying yeah they lost to a backup quarterback and then they lost to the Vikings everybody loses to the backup quarterback in Cleveland at this point but no I mean look this was a weird week for defense as the Lions gave up 503 yards to the Ravens they were one of the better defenses heading into the week the Browns

Yes, they won. They won 39, 38. They gave up 456 yards to Gardner Minshue. The 49ers gave up 450 yards, maybe even more. They could still be passing on them right now. But no Justin Jefferson. No problem. Kirk Cousins, what we determined, maybe the prime time Kirk Cousins, maybe he knew that everyone was watching games, you know, game seven of that Astros Rangers game and that he was just maybe. You know, the cameras weren't on him as much, but he dominated. Jordan Addison, 123 and 2, Hawkinson, 11 receptions, Brandon Powell got involved, KJ Osborne, Cam Acres. And here's Brock Purdy. Two consecutive losses, 272 passing yards, two interceptions, one touchdown. McCaffrey, mostly held in check. I know that's a weird thing to say when you have. That don't sound right. It's true. What?

It's absolutely true. When Christian McCaffrey gains 45 rushing yards on 15 attempts and at three a carry and doesn't really have any impact in the first half of a game other than a goal line carry, which anybody could have done, they held him in check completely. Yeah, fantasy football, he delivered because he had two touchdowns, had some receptions as well. But I agree with Andy that that's, that McCaffrey was getting, I felt like he was getting stuffed at the line. constantly. Yeah, in the running game. Obviously, he had his longest receiving touchdown of his illustrious career. So hard to say. 30, 35 yards. That is his longest touchdown reception of his career. So what? So what? Who can? Well, for fantasy football. He made one play in the game. For fantasy football, they did not hold him in check. He had multiple touchdowns. Were they trying to hold him into fantasy football check? We do a fantasy football show. Forgive me.

I thought we were talking about relevance for fans. We were talking about the Vikings winning the game. It's 2217. They beat the 49ers. Here's what happened. Andy wasn't playing against Christian McCaffrey. No. Jason was. Yeah. That's what happens. That's why he doesn't think he's in check. Yes. Oh, okay. Look, they lost. They scored 17 points against the Vikings defense. It was a shock to everybody. And two. Bad picks by Purdy. They were both very ugly. Yeah. And I know Al Borland needed like three points from Brandon Ayuk for half the game. And, you know, Brandon Ayuk was not involved late in that game. One desperation shoe top drop. And then, you know, it was a lot of Ray Ray MacLeod and Joanne Jennings. Yeah, I mean, Juan Jennings and Brandon Ayuk had almost the exact same line, five for 47, five for 54.

more targets going Juan Jennings way. They seem like they really could use Debo and really use a left tackle. And two straight losses. So I mean, any change of view in terms of where the 49ers are headed or is this just one of those NFL weeks where things get turned upside down? I'm going. It's just one of those weeks. But it's they better write the ship because the. the sentiment. I mean, not that the locker will be affected by it, but it's like if Brock Purdy, he has played incredible to start his year, but it's everything is still, Brock Purdy's a system quarterback who is executing what Kyle Shanahan needs. And now when they've needed him two weeks in a row, it hasn't worked. So he doesn't have that, the draft capital, the huge amount of success to fall back on.

saying if he has a third bad game, people are going to start getting loud. Would you rather have Brock Purdy running this offense or Dak Prescott? Oh, that's interesting. Wow, that is interesting. Like if they could just do a clean swap, would they do it? I think they would do it. I saw people. With contracts and age and stuff involved, I think they'd still go. Just the player I'm talking about. Like who would you rather? Just the player on the field. I think you'd rather have Dak. Yeah, I don't know. It's close. Yeah, it's weird. I know you'd rather have Kirk. We have, oh, yeah, you would. That's what's so funny. That's a great point. Kirk Cousins is, if you put Kirk Cousins on this 49ers team, I mean, they would be unstoppable. Unstoppable. And that was the expected plan a couple of years ago before he signed with the Vikings. It seemed like everything was set up for him to reunite with Kyle Shanahan.

Oh, he would have been littered with injuries in San Francisco. That's true. That's what would have happened. But, you know, Madison was held in check, didn't do a lot. Well, that's the, the other question for me is the, what's going to happen now with Acres versus Madison, where, I mean, Madison was still, you know, had over 50% of the snaps. But this was, this was the most acres we've seen. The Acres out touched Alexander Madison. So. It's something to keep our eye on. Nobody takes harder hits than Alexander Madison. I don't know if it's his body angles or what, but he gets blown up all the time. And he came out of this game briefly because I don't think anything happened other than, ouch. All right, let's talk news. News and notes from Around the League, presented by USAA Insurance. Jason, our injury expert of the day, explained to me how Jerome Ford now has a low-grade high ankle sprain.

Well, the location on the leg is north, and the severity of the injury is south. So that's the low-grade high ankle sprain. He's probably going to miss a handful of weeks here, and it's a running game that we want. Yeah, Pierre Strong is going to be a strong consideration for waivers today. Kevin Stefansky? They are waiting on an MRI on Deshaun Watson's shoulder. Oh, wow. Nice. But this is how you do it. Like with the game, the way that it played out of, we're checking him for a concussion. And of course, they have to report. No, he's cleared a concussion protocol. Why is Deshaun Watson not in this game? What is happening? This is how you do it. This is how you cover yourself. Even if he's not hurt, you just say, we're going to go get you an MRI.

just to check things out. I have to believe. I completely agree with what you're saying. If I was a coach and he wasn't hurt and you don't put him back in the game because the backup is playing better, all of those things are true. I'm saying we're getting you an MRI. Yeah. Just trust me, buddy. But. Yeah, he's super hurt. He's super hurt. I mean, the way he was throwing the ball was like just like he had no arm strength whatsoever. Agreed. Dawson Knox wrist surgery. Unknown timeline. Okay. Dalton Kincaito clock. This is actually a pretty good week for waivers. Like there's a handful of almost every position that I think is worthy of picking up the tight ends this week. There's like three solid regularly available pickups. Justin Fields doubtful for week eight, Bilbo. Bilbo is in. It's a great matchup. The chargers have been exploited in their secondary.

I don't, you know, I looked like this morning. I was researching. Can he be a stream of the week? Because the matchup is so great. And ultimately, I was like, no. No, I don't remember the exact stat. I'm seeing if Kyle can dig it up real quick. But it was like in a win. He passed for like 160 yards or something. I think it was like the second lowest average depth of target in a win or something. Or like, I mean, he had basically a perfect passer rating. But it was just. Checking the ball. I mean, this was Chad Pennington stuff. I did like his mobility. I like the fact that fifth lowest in a game, second lowest in a win. There it is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's making great decisions. Yeah, exactly. He completed 72% of his snaps. His team won with 30 points. Wait, completed only 72% of snaps. What happened in the other 28%? Attempts.

And he didn't complete them. The snaps were incomplete. Yeah. Oh, man. He just left half feet. He got high. He started. He started on the field. And he just walked off. Oh, man. But that's pretty good. 72% of the size. It's still the vast majority. He stayed out there for 72% of plays. Yeah. I'm out of here. And he ran the ball, had the mobility. Still wasn't good for fantasy. So you can't imagine it's always going to go as well as it did last week. And that was 12 fantasy points. Well, I. Jordan Addison earlier this off season arrested off the field for speeding. We have a second one. Chris Oliva, reckless operation of a motor vehicle for speeding 35 miles over the speed limit. And the speed limit was 35 miles an hour. Oh, was it? Yeah. He was going 70 to 35. He's been released this probably. Did I say he was?

arrested off the field you did so no they did not arrest him on the field after a route sorry you're going too fast on that play get over here handcuffs uh okay so i mean do you think this is going to matter at all uh no no i don't not for fantasy football purposes all right we had some players dealing with injury before the buy um t higgins with the ribs Tanna Hill with the ankle, not practicing, Miles Sanders with the shoulder. And then Frank Wright came out. This is a credit to Mike who said it early. He said the RB Mix could change week to week and it will be largely by committee. So this reminds me of the way I view, I mean, this is basically how I view the New England situation, which is like there are going to be weeks like this past one where Zik ends up a little bit better than Romandre. And.

Miles Sanders and Chuba, like Chuba's played well. That's the problem. Yes, and much better than Miles Sanders. Miles Sanders has the money, but Chuba is the one putting the production on the field. And they play Houston? Oh, man. That'll be a fun decision. I mean, are they, yeah, we don't know how Miles Sanders health is going to look right now. Yeah, Miles Sanders to me is someone that I, you do not drop. I still believe he'll end the season as the starter when he gets healthy, but. I'm not, I don't think he's healthy right now. So if I had to start one of them this week, I would rather start tuba in a plus matchup. And he's someone that, uh, I don't know if he's on the waiver show today because he's like 65% rostered, but you should be looking out there to see if tuba is available for sure. That's today's news and notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at USA.com slash insurance. Put me in, coach. All right.

Guess how many buy weeks we have this week, gentlemen? Six? Like last week? Uh, no. Lower? Four? Mm-mm. They're just spreading it out, two. How about zero? That makes sense. It's funny because your natural inclination when buys begin is I'm checking all my leagues and my matchups for the upcoming week, and I'm hoping that I see that my opponent has someone on buy. 100%. But first I check myself and I'm like, sweet, I got no one on by. Maybe they have some. I went to our matchup. Andy and I, this coming week are going to be the battle of two undefeated, or wait. Oh, no. Are we both still undefeated, Annie? Oh, no. I don't remember. This is such a, just such a big dance. No, that's right. It's, I'm sorry. But you're, you've only got one loss, but Mike, ask me who scored more points this past week? Who scored more points? I did. No, that is incorrect. Who scored more point this week? Okay, yes. You can't pluralize that.

but yeah so we our two teams are doing phenomenal in the league beat your yeah we'll see um and and so we match up against each other and that was the first thing I did I went I looked at our match up and I'm just scrolling down like bye bye bye bye tell me he's got guys on bye no bye that's good it's perfect we get to face each other full strength sorry everybody um into the waiver wire we go we do have four bye weeks next week but none this week The running back position. Now, Mike, you just got back in the building. Yep. I'd love to get your thoughts on your top targets because, you know, Daryl Henderson is going to grab a lot of headlines this week, as he should, 18 for 61, low roster percentage. But there are other names. Like Cream Hunt is going to be taking over for a week or two. It was already a good option. And I want to bring Pierre Strong up because he had...

an immediately large amount of work. The second Jerome Ford left the field. He wasn't amazing, but they're going to hand the ball off a ton. Like those three guys are at the tippy top of my waiver list. What order are you putting them in? So I would put Henderson number one. I mean, hopefully in last week's waiver show, we were kind of laid it out for Zach Evans. He appears to be the next man up, but you just, you, the confidence in that. And I get it. The people that burn the fab, it feels really bad right now. But I don't blame anyone in the process of if you needed a running back, taking the shot because the Rams running back is valuable. Remember when Sonny Michelle was doing work? Right. I mean, the McVeigh system, Acre, like, not Acres, sorry, Kyron has had a great year. And Kyron is not, at least draft capitalized. He's not an elite talent that the NFL was clamoring to get.

Just people have success in this. And Henderson knows the system. He was the one I mentioned at the end of the week of he's the one I'd be the most nervous about coming in. And like if I was in Zach Evans or if I was invested in Zach Evans, Henderson is the one who could come right in and just take the job because he's been here before. And he did. And that's what he did. Even though it was only two targets, he's still the one I want to go after. Dallas is not the best matchup, but then we get Green Bay. And with Kyron on actual IR now.

you have at least three more games of Henderson being the starter. Yeah, two targets, but that was all the targets to the running back position. 60% of the running back attempts, 57 to 43% of snaps. It's Henderson. Is he at the top of your list? It depends on who is available. I would rather have Kareem Hunt. He's a super rostered. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Henderson of the wildly available guys would be number one. on my list, but the season-long nature of Cream Hunt, who was already looking like with Ford there, could be a weekly start. Now you're probably missing Ford for a little bit. If he is out there, I'd have him ahead. Where does Peer Strong fit into the mix? Because you will have opportunities, a successful running game that you've seen a quick transition from Chubb to Ford having value. Cream Hunt has been a little bit banged up. I saw.

a play where Pierre Strong looked good. And that was the first one of my experience. The first time I've seen Pierre Strong to me look like a good player. I'm not bullish on his talent. And we don't have a ton of information yet on this low grade high ankle sprain. High ankle sprains usually miss zero or three games. And so. We just don't know. I mean, Pierre Strong, I'm not going to spend a lot of money on him because there's no guarantee he's good if Ford is out, and there's still no guarantee that Ford is out. They said one to two each at least for four. I'm pretty sure that he'll miss at least one. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, TBD. Do you have different information on that injury? Just the fact that they call it a low-grade high ankle sprain, just we see people with a high ankle sprain miss zero games.

somewhat free. The two most common amount of games missed with a high ankle sprain is three games missed or zero games missed. Jeff Wilson? This was not what you wanted to see if you had spent fab on Jeff Wilson. Does it get better? I do believe it will get better, but does it get good enough is the question? I mean, I think that if you're not looking for a player to plug and play right now, those other names we've talked about are much better for a start this week. But if you, you know, let other people fight and spend up on those other players. And if you can get Jeff Wilson for cheaper and just stash him and watch a few weeks, I think that that's a good play. So tell me this, Andy, would you rather have Pierce Strong or Royce Freeman? You know, we talk about. Freeman. Daryl Henderson being the main guy in the Rams locker room. But it was a pretty solid split. So I'm with you on that. I would rather have Royce Freeman as a guy that could come in, get a touchdown, get enough volume over Pierce Strong.

Devin Singletary coming off the buy. Don't forget about him. They take on Carolina. He's very interesting. Probably can be picked up for very little fab, if anything. Yep. And I mean, he, at least for one week, he was the 1A in the Houston Texans backfield. Maybe that was a one week. The hot hand situation where he was getting all the calls. But you need to pick him up just in case. And then the. Another name, because we, hey, we're back, apparently. How are we feeling about DiMarcato? Oh, so funny. So funny. Demarcato, like everyone picks him up the week prior because it looks like he's the most talented running back in the room. Yeah, because he was. And they expect him to get the work. And then he doesn't get the work. And you had Keontay Ingram as the dude. Kianti Ingram this last week, how?

Do you guys, are you familiar with how his game was? I am, yes. Zero snap, zero attempts, zero anything. Yeah, yeah. They finally said, oh, yeah. They saw what I've been seeing when I went full fab drop for DeMarcato. He played 80% of the, now it was Seattle, but he played 80% of the snaps, 18 opportunities, including five targets. I mean, the upcoming schedule for Arizona, Baltimore, Cleveland. Yeah. Not my favorite. Definitely not. And those are the. remaining two games that we know Connor will miss for sure because of the IR. Will Connor be back immediately? That is unknown. But the fact that he got five targets, Demarcato is going to be playable. This is one where I would take Pierce Strong over Demarcato. Okay. Just because of the matchups. They play Seattle and Arizona the next two weeks, and I feel better about that. Baltimore and Cleveland are going to annihilate Arizona. Yeah, they will. And we were talking about Kyler Murray's return. Like if I'm Kyler, I'm like,

Wait till Atlanta, buddy. Wait till it land. Don't come back for Miles Garrett. You know what I mean? Is there any chance they activate him? Because they got their window. And he doesn't start? Yeah. There would be a, I mean. Like he's a backup for a week or two? I don't think they will do that. But they would have to do that if they wanted him to start, you know, later than his 21 day window. They have to have an act. If I were him, like you said this morning, I'd be, I'd be noping the Baltimore Ravens who. I mean, the Ravens defense has been. They call that Watsoning. Oh, where you just avoid the tough match. I was thinking it. Other names to, like the fatigue on Roshan Johnson right now, two games missed with a concussion. Even if he's back, he's probably going to take Darrington Evans 52% of snap roll, which leaves Foreman in play, which means if Foreman is getting like if Foreman gets dropped because of Roshan news like that.

keeps him, like you should pick him up. Let me tell you the player that you really, really, really need to pick up. And this is a must look. He's available in half of your leagues. Taj Spears has to be picked up. Yeah, I can agree with that. He's been looking good. They are past thereby. And this is a team that will not surprise me at all if Derek Henry has traded any minute. They just traded their best defensive player. Well, their second best defensive player. This is a team that is looking like they are going to. maybe look towards the future without Ryan Tannahill available. Who's not practicing, by the way? And it will be some combination of Levis and Willis, which... Yeah, I mean, this team's going to be trash. And so, and it's a well-run organization. So, I mean, I can't imagine. If I'm them, I'm trying to get something for Derek Henry right now. He's not really the future for this franchise. You've got Taj Spears there. So he's a pickup where...

An injury could happen, a trade could happen, or he could, you know, Jalen Warren his way into weekly flex start ability. The other 50% rostered player is Ezekiel Elliott. Both Zeke and Remandre were top 24 running backs this past week. Zieg got back into the end zone. He seems to be getting a decent amount of the 10 zone work. Yeah. Where the passing game is still going to Remandre, that's saving him because he's not scoring, but another week of six targets in a game that they won. It was really upsetting to see them inside the five, and Zeke was in on first, and Zeke was in on second. Now, they did bring Ramandre in for the third down inside the five. It was the touchdown, but it looks like the goal line work on early downs is probably Zeke. Wide receivers. They're heavily rostered, but please pay attention to the long-term value of Joshua Palmer and Rashi Rice.

because both of those players had big weeks. Both of them had anticipation going into the week. We talked a lot about Palmer. Jason, when we were talking about the matchups, it was like, this is a guy that's had a lot of success against Kansas City. But he's also, you know, five for 133 last week, 60 yard catch. Plays against Chicago this week. A great matchup is the clear number two. I mean, Joshua Palmer, you know, there's a third of leagues that he's available in must, must, must pick up. You're not worried about the 100% increase in production for Q? No, no, I'm not. Okay. What was his total production? One for 20. Oh, yeah. Great. It was a good catch-up. It was. Rashi Rice, he's probably not available. If he is, you need to pick him up. If you pick him up, do you need to play him? Is the question for a lot of people. I think it's going to depend on the matchups, which means yes and yes for the next two weeks. You've got Denver and Miami, you know, good.

you know, a bad defense and then a high scoring game. Would you target him in trades? No, I would not target him in trades. I don't want to give up a lot for him. My expectation for Rushie Rice is not that he becomes the 90% snap player and becomes the clear number two target in this office. That is my hope. And I think it could happen. But my expectation is that that doesn't happen this season. So I'm not, if I, if he's on waivers, absolutely going to get him. But I'm not. Breaking News. I was trying to wait until we got to the other position, but I wanted to hit the button. Okay. Zach Ertz will be placed on IR. He will miss at least four games. Team McB. We need to update the old waiver rankings. Yes, we do. As he will move up. And we're going to take a break. And we'll be getting into tight-in shortly, but some wide receivers we've got to talk through first. So this week, to me, Joshua Palmer, let's say he's rostered.

wide receivers are all about the rookies. I want them all. I think that this is the time. We've talked about this in the draft season where, you know, rookie wide receivers are making a huge impact more and more as the years get more advanced in the NFL, but it is usually the second half of the season where they have their largest impact. We talked about Rushie Rice. Great. But Joshua Downs, Jackson Smith and the Jigba, Tank Dell, Michael Wilson, DeMario Douglas, There are a lot of rookies that are needed, are showing flashes and available in waivers that really should be picked up. Douglas is available everywhere. And I don't know what the redraft is going. That's a New England Patriots. Yeah, as I say, I don't know what the redraft situation is going to be for him rest of the season. This was the first game. He had a huge opportunity because Juju was inactive. But if you follow to Mario Douglas and this offense, they have been trying.