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Mock Draft Madness! | Fantasy Football 2025 - Ep. 1772

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Mike hoards the Trey Lance Time drop

The show opens with Trey Lance Time, then says Mike keeps and hoards the drop and only deploys it when he knows its moment has arrived.

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The staff live-mock gets the hosts sniped

The three hosts run a full-PPR three-wide mock draft with the Fantasy Footballers staff, and the hosts finish by admitting their employees kept sniping their picks.

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Arthur Smith deploys four tight ends and no backs

The hosts are stunned by a Pittsburgh formation labeled 0-4 personnel: no backs and four tight ends, with uncertainty about whether DK Metcalf even counts as one.

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Episode notes

The mock-draft episode yields strong show-meta canon: Mike hoards the Trey Lance Time drop, the whole staff participates in a live three-wide PPR draft, and the hosts complain that their employees keep sniping their picks. A bizarre 0-4, four-tight-end formation supplies an extra visual gag.

Inside the episode

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at the 402. And here we go. We got some quarterbacks off the board finally. Josh Allen at 403. D.K. Metcalf at 404. Lamar Jackson off the board at 405. I am back on the clock at wide receiver. Everybody I just said that was there is still there. None of them really went. Just Metcalfe off the board of that list of guys. I could go with somebody I've drafted often. in Jameson Williams, somebody I believe has a breakout potential. Got some of the rookies coming up in ADP, Tett McMillan, Travis Hunter. But I still am, it's tough. I see a lot of value here. You know, Jaden Daniels and Jalen Hertz are sitting there. It's a long wait for me. I'm going to see what my team feels like going with Jaden Daniels. I haven't taken him in any lock. Interesting. But I'm going to take him here, and Jason is not happy. So I have not taken him anywhere.

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And I was going to take... Certainly not here. I was going to take him here to see how I feel about my team taking an early Jaden Daniels. How funny. Well, sorry. You can take somebody else, though. Mike, you're on the clock. Garrett Wilson, Devante Adams, your last two picks, McCaffrey in the first. We're going to keep piling up the olds, I guess. I will... I know he's on Pup, wink, wink right now and needs money, but... Oh, I thought you meant that was Joe Mixing. When you said, on popping needs money. Oh, no. Oh, no. No, Terry McLaurin, who is, he's my wide receiver 20. So out of the sixth spot to get McCaffrey and then three top 20 wide receivers, I am enthusiastic about this build so far. All right, Jason, you're back on the clock. Jade and Daniels will not be available, but you have some other choices you can make here. Jalen Hurts, who you love, if you wanted to go quarterback.

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There is a wide receiver that I like and a running back that I like that I think both can come to me at the next round. Because of that, I'm going to go ahead and take – I love getting that third or fourth quarterback because to me, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hertz. Those guys are difference makers in fantasy. I don't want to be the guy that starts the run, you know, and take Lamar Jackson first. But I love being the one that finishes that run and get the best value. on one of those superstar quarterbacks. So I'll take Jalen Hurts. Oh, and then George Beggis goes the next back. Yeah, George is, was that the name you thought he was back to you? Yeah. He was lower, he was lower in ADP. Oh, you, you just told everyone don't fall victim to the ADP. That's fine. I'm just saying, well, yeah, I told them to not. You're like, don't play by that rule. And he didn't. Which one? This trap. He's a good listener. He's a good listener. He's a good listener.

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I think in these mocks, Jake lives to take the picks that we care about anyways. Well, he knows it's a good pick then. Yeah. That's right. All right. Papa Joshua had Jefferson, J.S.N. and Harrison. The triple whiteouts goes James Cook in the fourth round. I think that's fine value for James Cook. Jameson Williams off the board, not surprised. Not surprised. Ken Walker off the board to finish the round. I mean, these guys live for nothing other than to disrupt the next round for us. Stupid Jake. Stupid, I had one running back, one wide receiver that I thought might come back to me in the next round. Those picks were George Pickens or James Connor, both of which stupid baby Jake took. So yeah, spoiler alert. Tet McMillan, Devante Smith. I would have loved either of those. Breece Hall, James Connor go next, Jason back on the clock. The picks he hoped were there are gone. I'm talking a lot, kind of introducing you with an opportunity to pick here. Thank you. To give you a moment to settle down.

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Yeah, I'm going to take a risky pick right now. I think we'll have more clarity coming closer to the season. Joe Mixen here in the middle of the fifth round. If he's healthy and he's out there for week one, obviously he is an extreme value in the fifth round. If this was a real draft and I was drafting today, I would probably be a little bit too scared. But he's going to make my team look real nice on a mock. brutal honesty and the truth shall set you free. See, the thing is I actually don't think people look at Mixen very fondly. I think there's almost no player that people are more negative about this offseason than Joe Mixing. Yes. So maybe that'll backfire. Good. Feels, Mike. Mike has one running back who didn't play much last year and then he's got Garrett Wells and Devonti Adams and Terry McLaren. We play to win. But he is back on the clock. Mike, you are up. The way that turn

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went for me. It was very unexpected. I knew George Pickens wouldn't make it past Jason. But then the fact that, and I guess looking at team one and team two, they took a tight end in the second round. That's where McBride and Bowers went. So I guess it's not as surprising. They didn't go with another onesie position. But Joe Burrow made it back to me. And he, Jason, you talk about completing the quarterback run. Yeah. Like Joe Burrow, there is a, that was not in my plan at all, but just a delightful surprise. I opened the candy bar and you got a golden ticket. And the golden ticket was in there. I was actually surprised. I'm not going to throw it away. I wasn't sure if Jason would go Burrow over hurts just for the stack with Higgins or not. But Burrow off the board to Mike there. I'm going to go with a player that I think is going to be extremely productive all season long, even when and if Rashi Rice gets back at some point. But I'm going to take.

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Xavier Worthy here in the fifth round, the kind of like certifiable one right now in Kansas City, who was extremely productive at the end of the year, who shouldn't have Rashi Rice next to him, who probably doesn't have Hollywood Brown next to him. I like that pick. And so I'll take Worthy in the fifth round. After Worthy, Waddle, Travis Hunter, and Judy go next. I don't know if you guys have seen a lot of the Brown's camp highlights, but I'm seeing a few things. One, I'm seeing a lot of Deontaine Johnson. And we haven't talked about him hardly ever. No, we have not. But I am seeing play after play, not just with the backups like Dylan Gabriel and him have a connection. But even with Joe Flacco, like finding Deontay Johnson out there, when you think about what they have a wide receiver, I think it's like, Joe Flacco is such a productive for fantasy quarterback that if he's the guy, all of a sudden you line up, you know, Judy and Tillman and Deontay and Njoku. And you're like, maybe this office could get some stuff done. I am.

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into it. And no Judkins and then a hurt Jerome Ford. Maybe the passing game is what starts this season for Cleveland. Even though that schedule is brutal, maybe we get a lot of fantasy goodness. If you haven't checked it out, please check out. We have a once a week dynasty podcast. We exclusively talk about dynasty there. We were talking about the Cleveland Browns and Kyle's on that show. And he was talking about his position on the Browns is he kind of just, he wants to be hands off. That seems like a totally fair, logical thing. They were horrifically bad last year. But then I had to remind him, like, under Stefansky, more often than not, they've been a top half type of an offense. Like two years ago with Joe Flacco, it was a top 10 scoring team. And so it's, while last year was so horrifically bad for everything in the Cleveland Browns, it has been better with this coaching staff. There are players that they're,

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ADP is depressed because of the teams. And so that's one that, look, if Flacco's the starter, just maybe soak it up while you can. I'm back on the clock. I think, where did we get to? We got to Judy, and then Montgomery finished out the fifth round, was A. Flowers. Diggs at 601. I like that pick, Brooksie. Travion Henderson, R.J. Harvey, Ridley. And I am going with Roma Dunzee. Taking Roma Dunzee at the 606. Almost took him at the 507, took Worthy instead. thrilled to have him come all the way back around when seven whiteouts went off the board between Worthy and Adunzee. He was in my queue as well for a long time. So I'm happy there. I feel like there's kind of a tear break happening at wide receiver right now. There definitely is. And so, Mike, you are back on the clock. Luckily, you've got a trifect of very good wide receivers already. Took Burrow in the last round. What are you thinking? So I agree that there is a, what feels like a pretty large tier.

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break like where she rice is there but we don't know jordan addison i guess same situation of we we haven't heard anything about the uh his legal troubles have we did i miss something well it did his situation was basically that he we don't know the official suspension that's what that's what i mean after the uh we expect two to three games is the expectation yeah yeah so that should be coming down and then it's like godwin who Maybe he's hurt. Jacoby Myers is a fantasy vegetable. He'll be decent, but it is a tear break. Then looking at the running backs, who I'm particularly interested in here, because I think that they both should catch a decent amount of passes. You have Pacheco, and then you have D'Andre Swift. Neither of them I'm super confident in with Pacheco. The return from the injury was rough.

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He was looking like the featured guy. And then does Ben Johnson actually like DeAndre Swift? Nobody does. With their actions, they kind of said they did. And so I'm going to, I'm going to lean in. Caleb Johnson. I'm going to let the Ben Johnson offense get DeAndre Swift some targets. You were that real. Oh my gosh. I was so excited. Over for, over. When you started saying you were between Pacheco and DeAndre Swift, I was like, you were all lined up on my end, baby. Oh, I, when I saw a. Caleb Johnson down there in ADP, I knew Jason would not let the George Pickens thing happen again. No way. So Swift to Mike, Caleb Johnson to Jason as a third running back in the sixth round, Leporta off the board. That would have been a strong thought, I think, for me in the seventh. I was curious the gap between Kittle and the next tier of tight ends, which is like Hawkinson and Kelsey and Leporta. Maybe Mark Andrews is entering that category. I hate to admit it, but look, it's what it is, right?

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You want the best player available. Pacheco does go off the board. Oh, Betts. And then Jaden Reed off the board at 6.11 to the Packer fan. Betts takes the Rushy Rice, Jordan Addison combo. What are you doing, Betts? Week one's going to be real. I hope I'm playing against Betts week one. He's starting slow. Roshy Rice, Jordan, Addison. Look, the truth is. He's a character guy. The truth. Oh, you're pulling a Cleveland Brown son. The truth is. Bonzie Wells available. If he can survive that, look, you need your players at the, especially at the end when you're trying to win a championship. Yeah, we all want to get off to a hot start. But those are two really good players that when you need them the most, they're probably going to be producing. The problem is you've got to start three wide receivers and one flex. Oh, for sure. And those aren't one week suspension. So I just look forward to the nuggets he finds late in the draft.

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Tony Pollard, Aaron Jones off the board, Bo Nix, quarterback of choice ahead of Jason here, who took Mixin and Caleb Johnson the last two rounds, has Higgins and Evans at Whiteout right now with Hertz as his quarterback. Yeah, I mean, I'm, there is a word called desperate. I'm in a desperate need for wide receivers. That is... clearly the, you know, starting three wide receivers right now, I've got T. Higgins, Mike Evans, love the rest of my roster, but I'm going to start filling out wide receivers. Is that, is desperate? Is that the category? Is that the tier in our UDK where Cooper Cup and Devo, Samuel come into play? That is, that's very desperate. I'm desperate, excited. Oh, okay. I'm like, still hopeful, and I'm looking for guys that I think could develop into, you know, next year you're talking about.

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more of a top pick, someone that is yet to ascend and going to maybe a first round draft pick last year who has set the table. A really nice offense expected to score the third most points in the NFL, but no one to throw the ball to. I will take Ricky Pearsall. Oh, okay. He's the highest in my personal PPR rankings of everybody left. Personal PPR rankings. Yeah, the PPPR rankings. So, yeah. He's, I'm not going by ADP here. I'm going by where I think he's going to where he's going to finish. All right, Mike, you are back on the clock. Seventh round here. DeAndre Swift was the last selection. Congrats on that. You, you're pretty balanced. I am, and I am.

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I was between two players in my head just looking at the ADP. Lo and behold, I look at my PPR rankings and they are back to back. You're personal or the? Yes, my PPR. Oh, these are my public personal. Oh, that's right. So this is my PPP PR. Am I doing this right? Is it too many P. I don't know, man. It's PPPR. Yes. Yeah. Obviously. Two PPs. And those two guys for me. Yes. This is a family show. What is happening here? Move on. Uh, so, uh, I, man, I, the Ricky Pierce all Juan Jennings thing is, it's tough for me. Uh, because I can, I can see the floor is higher with Jennings. I can see the first rounder being the guy who takes over, but I, I think that Joanne Jennings is still the pick.

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between the two of them. So it's Jennings. And then the other player is Josh Downs, which I'm not going to mess around with Josh Downs. He's next up in my queue. I was like, I don't know how the rest of the draft feels about Jennings. I know that Andy's not going to take him. Yeah. And you would take Josh Downs. He was the next up in my queue if I'm taking wide. And following along, I don't know if you guys been following it, just the word out of Indianapolis recently has been. far more positive on Anthony Richardson of saying like he he looks like he's turned at least a corner I well he's he's got a lot more to go but the fact that they're talking about he is at least keeping up with Daniel Jones if not playing slightly better that would that would be Richardson I mean not one that would be incredible for the Colts if it actually worked out after this amount of time but either way no matter who the quarterback is Josh Downs

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is still a great pick. It's interesting the idea of turning a corner, not the corner? Yeah. Like he's got so many corners to turn? Well, it's a windy road to be a franchise quarterback. What is it, three turns to get back on the right direction or something? That's right. Three. It's got to be like a full U-turn. How many corners is he turned? We don't know. I mean, the fact that beating Daniel Jones is a headline, that's its own thing. First corner is easy. Right. But it is, it's worth noting because there are players, and they're not fun to admit. But if they start, they're just relevant. And Anthony Richardson, unfortunately. Oh, he would.

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He can be that. So my question here at this point in the draft, I'm sitting here, seventh round. I'm going to go ahead and pull the trigger on Chris Godwin. I know that the vibes around Godwin are not positive right now, but in the seventh round, not having to be a starter, you know, I'm okay taking the shot there. Jacoby Myers goes next, John Jennings after that, and Golden goes at 710, shot at a rookie Hawkinson and Kelsey. at the end of the round both of those were in consideration for me and um i did not pull the trigger at tight end kind of yeah i punted for dance kind of kind of regret that a little bit i think but you have you took josh down as jason went pierce so i went godwin in the seventh round we'll take a break ahead of this next pick and come back and finish out this mock interesting all right mark andrews uh off the board just ahead of me emeka egbuka off the board at 804 that one is the interesting heartbreak to me

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I took Godwin and I thought Egbuka would slip and maybe I could grab a pair of those guys and just... There's no way Egbuka's getting past Kyle. And he didn't. Yeah, and I think I, in Godwin and Egbuka, I don't know who I'd rather have. I think I'd rather have Igbuka, so I kind of regret that. That one is a really tough call. So I'm back on the clock here. The running back situation, I'm looking. I have Jonathan Taylor and Derek Henry and nobody else. Jason has two or three. Mike has two running backs right now. But the names out there, man, they're rough. It's rough at running back. You know, Tyrone Tracy. Is he a starter? Camp Scadaboo making camp highlights. Jalen Warren, Caleb Johnson situation. Travis E.T. and Tank Bigsby situation. Naji. Is he coming back? Judkins. Does he play for the Browns?

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Giovante Williams, I'd rather be dead than put them on my team. It would feel bad. It just, it's not great. But I'm going to, because of the three-wide receiver situation with a flex, I think I'm just going to keep hammering whiteouts and adding them to my team. So I'm going to take a player that I think people think is going to be irrelevant, but I don't think he will be. Debo Samuel. It's been very, very positive camp reports. I got a little mini stack there. So I'll go Debo. As an option, yeah, I got Jaden Daniels on the team already. Mike, it's back to you. So I have four wide receivers. I mean, that's not enough considering it's three wide and a flex. You prefer to have some, with some more guys on the bench. But I'm going to take a look over at the running back position and just trying to gauge who could take a, who could actually take a leap and may not make it back to me.

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I don't know. I don't know what these animals would do on this turn because you guys are doing wild stuff. So I'm just going to go ahead. Oh, I know the pick. Can I, can I say the pick? Uh, you can get this. Does his name begin with a J? No. Okay. All right. No. Totally wasn't my guess. Just are you going to the mall? Who are you going to go to Camp Scadape? Ah. Okay. Okay. I wasn't going to take him, but I wanted him on my roster. Yeah. There's a little bit of that too. How else do you get him on your roster though, Jay? Well, I sometimes scataboo is a really tough draft pick because you got to, sometimes you have to force the issue, but I wanted him on my roster. It's like you have to force the issue. I see. You got to force the issue with him. You got to make a projection. Uh, the NFL with their draft capital said he was not a priority, but everything on tape of watching him play. He is, he is a man and he has a three down.

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skill set, and I think he will overtake Tracy. It's just how much does he keep Tracy off the field? So I'm on the clock. I wouldn't have gone that direction. I'm still wanting, since I've got three running backs and three wide receivers and we start three wide receivers, I want more. I'm going to shotgun the wide receiver position. I could take someone like Cooper Cup, who is the next highest in my personal PPR rankings. However, I'm going to... Still shoot for the moon here. I'm going to take a rookie just like you did, Mike. Really like Jaden Higgins, the wide receiver, second round draft pick that's inheriting a very wide open receiver court. You got Nico Collins and they're needing a two. So this year rookie season, Jaden Higgins, could be the number two for C.J. Stroud. We've seen a lot of fantasy value there. So I'll pull the trigger there. All right. After Higgins goes Trey Harris, a fan favorite of Jason. I would have taken him on the way back.

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Number one on Jason's personal PPR, Trey Harris only rankings. Cooper Cup goes next at 810. Nobody ever wants to draft Cooper Cup, but he could matter. And Jalen Warren and Jordan Mason. That's the name I thought you were going to take. Mason. Jordan Mason over Scataboo. That's what I thought you were going to go with. Because it being PPR, was it going to go at the upside of Scadaboo actually has that in his profile. So Mason goes next at the 8-9 turn. Darnell Mooney, who's dealing with an injury but should be available for the regular season, finally goes off the board. Interesting is the first mock of the off season where Tracy goes behind Scataboo, I believe. But Tyrone Tracy goes at 902. Keon Coleman, a shot on some upside there by Papa Josh. And then Travis E.T.N. off the board at the 904. Jason, you're back on the clock. Ninth round.

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I believe all three of us still need a tight end over the next four rounds. Well, I am taking mine here. I was looking at that the last round, but three-fourths of the players on the turn away from me already had their tight-end. So I figured I could wait. I don't know if I'll take your guy because I know you like the PPR value of Evan Ingram. I'm not as high into that. I'm going to take David Najoku. That's who I would have taken. Is Najoku? Yeah. Oh, well, then you won't because I'm taking him. Yeah. Well, Mike, you're on the clock. Nojoku to Jason.

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Are you looking tight-in still or are you moving elsewhere? So now I've got to reevaluate a little bit here. So Andy, your team needs one and. One other team. Yeah, one more team. So four potential spots for someone to take a tight end. Let me just give a gander here. The ADP you're talking, Janu, Evan Engram, Tyler Warren, Colston Loveland. I think I'm going to punt it. I think I'm going to let you two take whoever it is that you want to go. So I'm looking at the wide receiver position. Man, who this thing thinned out, guys. Goodness. I don't know if you guys have seen this. That is, that is rough. It's one of the, it's one of the reasons why just piling up wide outs early, it's like it can feel, you know, like you're passing on value elsewhere, but it's, it's a tough spot to be late in the draft filling out a team that needs maybe four to start every week. Yeah, and I feel good with my, my core.

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So let's take a potential PPR rookie. I'm going to take Luther Burden second round pick from the Chicago Bears. It's been a slower start because of injury and Ben Johnson just getting mad at him. But a world exists where burdened is like to me. Anyways, I don't know where you guys are. A world exists where burden is the second most important fantasy wide receiver on the team. That world does not exist for me. That's what I'm just for me personally. Yeah, I'm going to go with Dobbins in this round. J.K. Dobbins, I've been kind of eyeballing him for a couple of rounds, seeing if you sneak through. Ninth round pick. That's a great value. My third running back. Pittman off the board next. Where did R.J. Harvey go in the sixth round. Yeah. And, you know, RJ Harvey's got the juice. He's the more exciting player. I would want him on my roster more than Dobbins, but a three-round opposite value where I presume J.K. Dobbins is going to get more work. Certainly to start the season feels good value.

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I, yeah, I think so. I think it'll work out. Pitman, Giovante, Stevenson, Tillman, Mayfield, rounding out the ninth round. Jerome Ford at 10.01, that's a good pick. Christian Kirk, Rashad White, and then Tank Bigsby. I love that pick, Kyle. Kyle's made a few really, you know, Chris Olave. You know, he's kind of condemned to draft Chris Alave in all drafts. My Tank Bigsby ranking is borderline embarrassing. too high hot and bothered yeah i just the more and more running by four isn't he no no but well i can go look just hear camp reports that ping pong between them it is just like but it's it yeah it's the ping pong between it's like etan had a good day and he got all the work it's the i think tank bigsby is the better runner and like i know that you okay well et n's slotted to be the reception guy

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Like, you're telling me that on first and second down, when they're running pass plays, there won't be checkdowns to tank Bigsby? I know he'll try to catch him, but they bounce off his hands to the opponent. I know he is inefficient, especially with the catch percentage is not the same. But if I recall off the top of my head, his yards per catch, exact same as Rashad White, who. That was the former running back with Liam Cohen, who still got a bunch of receptions after Bucky took over. Yeah, I'm not counting on any receiving work from, I mean, what did you have last year? Tank Bigsby? I think he had four. Yeah, six catches. Okay, there it is. How many went to the other team? So he will not catch the ball. He's not getting checked down. He's not going to catch it. That's locked in. Everybody believes that is 100% guaranteed. I'm saying, just leave a glimmer of hope of.

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That may not be how it is. I think the reason- He caught 30 passes his final year in college. The difference is just like Rashad White, very inefficient with what he catches, but very good at catching the ball. Yes. That's the, that's the issue. You even watch these camp drills this year, and Tank just looks so exposed to so good, but there's no need to use them in the passing game. You've got two guys that can do it. Yeah, it's such a hitching his giddy up when he goes to catch. It's in his head now. So I took Dobbins in the ninth. It could be. By the way, I took Dobbins in the ninth over Evan Ingram.

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And nobody took Evan Ingram for the entirety of the rest of the 9th and 10th. So I'm taking a full PPR. I love Evan Ingram and a full PPR. I'm taking them here. All right. So I mean, playing the game, let's see, there's one team now going to the other action that needs a tight end. Do you like more than one tight end? That's what I was going to go just double check my ranks of. I think there's two tight ends that I am perfectly happy starting the. There's actually three. guys who i would be okay starting the year um and why is his name kyle pitts the kyle pitts is in fact not not one of them um just br i'm gonna take i don't gonna take another rookie just for some upside we're living that life guys jack bash we're taking jack bash the best what they said once the pads came on the dog was back oh rasha bateman though

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