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Week 7 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, Target Fire | Fantasy Football 2024 - Ep. 1658

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The Wheel of Shame episode opens with Deucers bidet jokes, tracks the end of Mike's Kyler streak and celebrates the League of Record's emotional swings.

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to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. The Fantasy Footballers Friday edition. Always excited to be back with you. Jason Moore, Mike, the Fantasy Hitman Wright. I'm Andy Holloway. Al Borland and the Falcon back there in Ducers Alley this morning. Say hello, everybody. Oh, the Falcons in the middle. Yeah, Papa Josh is once again off of work. I'm just saying, like, as a human, I would not want the falcons sitting in my seat. Not from like a, just, you know what he likes to do. And so, like, I worry about his bottom touching my chair. Okay. Well, I mean, we, uh, we have bidets. That's true. I hope you're using the falcons. Bidays for days. Bidays for days.

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We have Thursday night football to talk about news and notes. We got some news on Amari Cooper and whether you can play him this week to report. We have the fantasy forecast. And the streak is finally over. We have the fantasy face off. And I'm looking at it with the glass half full approach. I did take the L this week. And now I am not stuck. Oh, with Kyler Murray? With Kyler every week because I kept winning with Kyler. You couldn't use him this week anyways. I do feel like I was overcoming Kyler to win. You know what I mean? Yeah. He wasn't helping me. You were pot committed to the bit of like the Kyler stack. And so I'm happy for you that you get to move on. But it should be exciting. You know, it doesn't matter what I do. Back to back champ right now. So I'm okay. I can lose this week. He did say that this morning, Mike.

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Oh, it's so true. Like if he gets a win or two. If you lose twice in a row in fantasy face off, that third week is like, I am doing whatever. The loss in fantasy face off, it comes for everybody. Sadly. You can't avoid it the entire season. It's just not possible. But yeah, when you get that two in a row, Oh, man, that third week is. What's the record? Is it four? I think I'm sure I have it. I think you did four once. That's great. Jointhefoot.com is our fantasy football community of incredible human beings. Come join the Discord server. It's free. You can check out just tons of great conversation around the game of football, fantasy football, starts it decisions, leagues you can join, and all of that is part of Jointhefoot.com.

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Last night was atrocious. I told you, if they gave us a good game, I would give them a redo of the It's football time. It was. You'll notice that did not happen. One team gave us a good game. Yeah. And that's only kind of. You know, it's like I don't want to take away anything from the Broncos. I think the storyline of the game without question was. The effectiveness of the running game, Giovante Williams, the offensive line, Jason, you talked about McClinty coming back. Yeah, Mike McGlenshy made a monster. I watched him the whole game. Their right tackle was a very good veteran right tackle, and he made a world of a difference. So, you know, the Giovante thing, is he healthy? Is he back? Is this real? You know, we can't know for sure, but I will say going forward, whoever is running the ball, McGlinchie makes a huge difference. No, Patrick Sartan did not matter.

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for the Denver defense, and Spencer Rattler, in my opinion, that was the worst game of football I've seen from a quarterback. It looked like last year Derek Carr, where it was just like, uh, check, uh, Camara, Camara, where are you? I need to throw you the ball to get no yards. Big, what, six receptions for 14 yards for Camara. I mean, that's, that's what he did all last year. And I, I'm, with the decision for the Saints of like, hey, if Derrick Carr is going to be out for a while, let's find out. Let's find out if Spencer Rattler has anything for us to move forward on. Low probability. I mean, what, like a fourth or fifth round quarterback drafted, so you're not expecting much. But I don't mind them going that direction. It will not be surprising if it's heiner if Carr misses another week. The Saints are so injured. That is incredible. It's also a little hard to.

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Blame Raleigh is gone. Rashid Shaheed is gone. This was... Taysam Hill was gone. Their offense was... Your best offensive lineman, Ruiz, gone. Their offense was incredibly, incredibly banged up to start this game. Their defense should have been okay. They lost both corners in the game. So they finished the game incredibly banged up on defense. Apologies for the start there. We said both defenses were good. I played the Saints in the League of Record. I played the Broncos. I was far, far happier than both of you. So, whoops? So look, look, the top, the top four receivers for the Saints were Cedric Wilson, Mason Tipton, Foster Monroe, and Bob Means. That is telling you the entire story. Now, who was the top receiver for the Broncos? Troy Franklin. Hey, baby. That's just fun. Jason's dance right there felt like a kid's TV show. Oh, I dance like Franklin.

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That was great. But let's get to the story, boys. All right. Giovante Williams, 14-38 and 2. And I have to admit, yesterday during the show, we mentioned the fact, like, Mike and I are facing each other in League of Record, and he has Giovante. I became terrified during the show that he would pivot out of Giovante and play Tyler Goodson. I was afraid of that. I wanted to face Giovanni. And then when Audric Estimate got the first carry, I really wanted to face Giovante. And then he entered the time machine to pre-injury form. We fast tackle breaking, efficient, first two touchdown game of his career all up in the face. Giant holes provided for him in the offensive line. If you pause that game right after the first carry from Estimate, you, that's the moment where you could have said Javante's career is over. Yes. Just don't ever unpause again. And then what? It was. I don't, it was full tie Johnson except.

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Giovante is the veteran who's supposed to get the one carry at the beginning and then they move on. He was out there for the whole, like, yes, Estimate got the first carry, but Giovante was out there for like five or six snaps at least before him. For the first possession. But it was when Estimate got the first carry, my heart just completely dropped because it was, the decision, if you listened to the show yesterday, it was, I was going to go Goodson, had Tracer and missed another practice on Thursday. He was limited. So I was like, I don't- That was enough to go, it was. I can't take this chance that it's going to be a full-time share. How would you have reacted with him on your bench? Oh, I would have been deceased, fellas. But he wasn't on my bench. He was in my starting lineup. And the reason why last week for Giovante was so devastating is, look, I've been watching Giovante very close. The first few weeks of the season. I'm sorry for you. But it's been a ride, though. The first few weeks of the season.

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We talked about it. Javante looks, looks awful. Like this guy has, there's, there's no speed, there's no burst. And then there was these, after the first few weeks, you know, I brought up, like, hey, we can't talk about Javante too loud because he's looking good. And then we, then he fell on his face that week and it was all, well, maybe, maybe that's all just fools gold. So I don't, I don't know what to make of this. So, but he, he, it wasn't just production. He looked fantastic. I will say this. It's really a month of actual quality running for Giovante. It really is. Last week was a down week, but the week prior and the week prior were solid, very solid outings. They're getting their offensive line healthier. Bo Nix should only get better as they go along. I hope. Yeah, I mean, we all hope. There was some, you know, he got the win, but he didn't look outstanding. Man, he needs to work on the ball well. He was 10 for 75 on the ground.

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He had some throws, those little collegiate efficiency throws that were awesome, managed to throw the ball in between two wide open receivers on that piece. Twice. He was really good at like getting it over one right receiver and under the other where no one knows. Both of you. Right. Yeah. I want two targets on this one. But next week, they face Carolina. The 32nd ranked run defense. So Giovante Williams is looking solid right. You might want to target the New Orleans rushing defense here on out. I mean, they have been the dead last in the NFL against running backs since week three. So that could also have played into the Giovante performance. Overall, you know, the other story that I want to mention, no targets, zero for Cortland Sutton. So could he be moved? Could the team be doing the youth movement? Marvin Mims?

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caught two passes. Troy Franklin was five for 50. Oh my goodness. Andy, I have not thought about that as an option. And it makes complete sense for this team when Peyton is coming out and saying they are a young team, they need to get the youth on the field, and they're doing it more. If they trade Cortland Sutton, if Cortland Sutton went to the chiefs or something like that, oh, it's Franklin time. I just can't wait because he actually. I know, I know I talk about like I believed in him coming into the draft and I thought he was a great prospect that he fell to the fourth round. He's dead. And it's fun and you can't start him right now. I'm not telling anyone out there in redraft to pick up and start Troy Franklin. But he did look good. He looked like the best wide receiver to my eyes on the field. He found space. He was fast. He actually caught the ball. It's kind of a big deal. But if Corlin Sutton were traded?

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then you might actually have something with valet and frankly where it's startable. You got to see no Sutton last night like he was gone. Yeah, one target that was called back on a... Yeah, I thought I saw him get a target. It was a penalty. It was a penalty on the point. So, yeah, just a race from the offense right now makes it tough to start him. All right, it's Friday. Put Clan Friday. Every Friday we want to say thank you to the Foot Clan supporters and we give away a $100 gift card to Fantasychamps.com and a fantasy footballer's t-shirt. And this week's winner,

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Jack Flapson. Jack Flapson. Jack Flapson. I hope that's his real name. Congratulations. It's a great name. It is an awesome name. I'm only a long line of Flapsons. Flapsons in the wind. It's what we call our family. All right. All right. Jack, congratulations, I think. All right, moving on. News and notes from around the league. Presented by USAA Insurance. There was a full Bick. Go on? Oh. Yeah. Saints wide receiver Rashid Shahid was placed on IR. We found out after the surgery. It was not a buzz. It was not a trim of the meniscus. Fulbicked it. So they had to do the surgery repair. He'll be back next season. But gone for this year. I think that's a sentence that has never been uttered in the history of humanity. Yeah. Well, we're here to, you know.

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We're breaking down barriers. Forge new paths on the fantasy footballers. Podcasting lets you do what you want. Two game time decisions for very important running backs playing in London. Romandre Stevenson and Travis ETN. Both, uh, ETM was limited. I don't think remandre is practiced yet. He's not there. There was a quote from remandre saying he thinks he's healthy enough to play. So I thought he did get in a limited practice today or I'll look that up. Okay. But there, yeah, it's, it's London. So if you are a. West Coast slash Best Coast Resider, you better set that alarm if you're going to be counting on these guys. Or their ancillary pieces. I said it. Antonio Gibson was my start of the week at running back. That is based off of it for Andre Stevens in place. Yeah. So Mike Reese is reporting. He was at practice today. And I see a tweet from 34 minutes ago, Romandre Stevenson himself, saying he feels like he should be ready to play on Sunday. Does that mean I can?

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Would you guys maybe consider letting me take Camara out of my dynasty lineup and then put Ramandre in there and give it another go? No, but if you want to double Camara and use him twice in two slots, we will let you use him again. Okay. Well, that's the willing to break the rules for some things. All right. What else do we got? James Cook returned to a full practice. Ray Davis has been limited with a calf injury. It looks like James Cook may have it. All back to himself. Boy, that changed quick. I mean, Ray Davis, the hero of this last week looked like, man, as long as Cook is out, Ray Davis is going to be a thing, and then switcheroo. I honestly, I had, because of the matchup, I thought about playing both in a certain league, like just putting them both in there. Not going to happen now. Don Kincaid remained limited with a collarbone. Practicing in a non-contact jersey. What?

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Like the collarbone things. Do you have a banged up but not broken collarbone? So I wanted to bring this up yesterday because I don't remember a lot of like injured with, you know, chin or bones. But then there are bone bruises. Maybe that's what he's dealing with. A collar bruise? Yeah, I think he's got a collar bruise. But being in a non-contact jersey, today's practice will be pretty important. Obviously with Amari Cooper right now, it's being reported. He's expected to play against Titans. Would you just like the, I'm struggling. This is a counseling session. All right. Let's get to it. And it's going to apply to every Dalton Kincaid manager under the sun. Yeah, lay down on the couch. Dalton Kincaid has not been good. He is the tight end 10. He has one double digit game. He's treading water. Treading water. That's a good way to put it. Tennessee is the number one defense against tight ends. Correct. If you were a friend of mine, his name is Danny. Okay. Let's talk to Danny. And Danny had.

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picked up Pat Fryermuth, who was playing against the Jets. And you got this collarbone, just the collarbone shadow hanging over the situation. Would you just put Frymute in there? It's a very, very fair question. Fryermuth, I believe, has outscored him so far on the year, thanks to a couple of touchdowns. Russell Wilson appears to be the starter. It has not been officially announced, but there was. some words out of Russell's mouth that really did see, both him and Fields, it really seems like Russell Wilson is going to be the starter. That is not 100% confirmed, but I'd put it at 85%. There is a, you know, a train of thought right now going that Russell Wilson coming in, he's going to be better for Friamuth, better for George Pickett, just the reality of the receivers. Yeah, because he's not running it as much. But I'm still not sure that is a fact. I know that I think it's smart.

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and brave to say that the four and two led Justin Fields, like, we still need to see if that's our best version. We need to get Russell Wilson out there and see if we could still improve our team. I like them trying this out. But I don't think it is a gimmie that he is better. The offensive line is trash. They lost their backup center who was in there as their starter pretty much all year. They lost a font new on the right tackle. So this is going to be a very bad offensive line. And I think without the mobile scrambling ability of fields, Russ might just have a worse game. Yeah, but who do I start? If don't kick a- This is for you? Oh, crap, Danny. Danny, you lied. You charlatan. In the end, I think I would, if Don't Kikade practices like in full today, I would go Kincade. Obviously, if he is really banged up, then I would go. Nice thing is fire me with his Sunday night. You can do the Sunday pivot, so.

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practice report is going to be the determiner for you. Yeah, health of Kincaid. Aaron Jones likely to play. Okay. Oh. T.J. Hockinson has passed every test by a mile. His knee is healed. His SATs are so good. Yeah. Not going to play this week, but like by a mile. I mean, these tests, they're during a rear view. You wouldn't even believe it. You wouldn't believe how strong his knee is. Not ready to go yet. But you can't even fath all the tests of whether he's ready to play. A plus. He's got a 110% grade, just not ready to play. You know, it's like, yeah. So maybe next week or the week after. Jason, the quote is, obviously the acclamation process takes time. Right. Is that a test? No. Then he failed that test. Yeah, he failed that test. Jonathan Taylor remained sideline, not looking good. Trace Sermon, Josh Downs, limited in practice, Michael Pittman, full practice because. What are you doing, Pittman? He doesn't know. The back is a mysterious part of the body.

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Alec Pierce added to the injury report with the shoulder injury. You know, maybe Adonai Mitchell. Yeah, maybe Adonai Mitchell. That's actually not, I mean, obviously if Alec Pierce were out and Downs and Pittman were hurt with, you know, Anthony Richardson looks like he's going to be the starter. He loves those big deep bombs. He almost hit Adonai on two of them in week one. So that's, that's, you know, maybe more of a sneaky DFS tournament play. If they happen, he will almost hit him again. But Pittman being like the IR versus I'm dominating on the field and I'm not sure how it's going. I'm not saying it's because of Anthony Richardson, but the back issue is scary to play with Anthony Richardson. Like if you get a murder ball and you know what I'm talking about. Yeah. Hospital ball. Yeah, you're going across the middle and that ball is too high and you've got a leap for it. That's your job. And you're going to get crushed.

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And you got a back issue? That's scary, man. Malik neighbors cleared concussion protocol, but was also added to the injury report with a groin injury. So they're hoping it's not a problem. He has to get through practice, monitor that. We have an injury blitz podcast, another feature of Jointhefoot.com that is coming out later today. And I'm sure Matthew Betts will discuss that. Tyler Lockhe added to the injury report, didn't practice, knee injury. Okay. consolidation of targets, maybe JSN's more in play than he was before. Mike McDaniel, confident Devon A-Chane clears concussion protocol. And so we need the final medical expert to give the thumbs up. Rams Cooper Cup limited in Thursday's practice. We haven't talked a lot about it. Okay. The optimism is there. If he's back, he's back in your lineup, right? Yes, 100%. Brian Robinson Limited missed last week with a knee injury. They expect him to play, but monitor that one going into game time.

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and Ackler would be a really good play of Robinson missed. Deonti Johnson back at practice on Friday. Didn't practice Wednesday or Thursday. He's kind of been doing this, and then he's been playing and playing well, so we're optimistic. Yeah, he's my start of the week this week. He's been great. The matchup is perfect. If he is active, I will play him, even though there's clear fear here of missing practice all week. He had been in the previous weeks being limited every day and then playing. Now he's... like just straight up not practicing this week yeah he's like can i get away with this yeah and i think he can and i think he will and if i had him i would certainly start him if he's active naji harris returned to a full practice jalen warren is not on the injury report and uh mike evans added to the injury report with a hamstring injury don't like that it said that he tweaked something he had a comment that he thought he'd be fine

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So there's, I don't see it in here, but Juju Smith-Schuster also added to the limited participation due to a hamstring. You just hate Thursday popping up hamstring issues. When those happen, I would say, you know, this is anecdotal. I don't have the data in front of me, but I'm pretty confident that the majority of those. When they pop up late in a week with a hamstring, they end up missing that week. And I'm not saying that Evans or Juju are going to, but just you've got to be prepared for that. If you're relying on them, you've got to have a pivot option. Okay. That was today's news and notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at usAA.com slash insurance. We'll take a break. We'll hit the forecast. It's time for Fantasy Forecast, presented by Draft King Sportsbook.

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All right. Yesterday we covered the Patriots Jags, the London game, the Seattle Falcons game, Titans, Bills, Bengals, Browns, Texans, Packers, Dolphins, Colts, Lions, Vikings. But we've got more games, gentlemen. The Philadelphia Eagles 3 and 2 taking on the 2 and 4 New York Giants. The Draft King Sportsbook line here, Philly minus 3, the overrunners, 42 and a half. I like the Giants defense. I think they will be a problem for Philadelphia. I would agree last week. or the week prior, but they are dealing with a ton of injuries. I don't... They're actually... Do you have the later... Yeah, from what I understand from the local beatwriters, I know Brian Burns and a couple other guys, they said all those guys are going to be fine to play. Okay, that's huge to me because when I've been looking at this matchup, I've been assuming they're going to be without a couple of those options. I'll pull up the latest practice report, but for me, we usually only look at, I mean, we as in like fantasy managers out there.

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you're looking at practice reports on the offensive player that you have. But this is one where I'm going to be looking at the practice reports for the defensive side of the ball. Dexter Lawrence, Brian Burns, who had missed practice, both will be back at practice today. Okay. And the beat reporters were just implying that this was just some maintenance stuff. I don't know for certain, but that is the report we have from Adeline Burke this morning. Yeah, I mean, their defense has been outstanding. I mean, they have a great pass rush that can get after it. If they're healthy, even though the Giants are bad as a team and their offense has struggled, you don't look at them the way you look at like a Carolina where it's just a cakewalk defense. No, and the implied point total is 22.8 versus 19.8. It's a three point spread. So it should be interesting. Sequin returns home. Daniel Jones hopes to have Malik Neighbors back. Malik Neighbors receiving lines at 72.5. So if he's out there.

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The expectations are very high. Sequan and neighbors are locked into your lineup. What are we doing at the running back position for New York where you've got great value out of Tracy? Devon Singletary has been limited for two days. Do we think it's going to be Tracy by himself or are we just nervous about it? I mean, obviously, if Devin Singletary doesn't go, Tyrone Tracy managers are thrilled because you can absolutely start him. His work in the receiving game means that even if he's up, against a good defensive line, which the Eagles should be. They haven't really performed that way so far this year, but personnel-wise they should be. I'm 100% like Tyrone Tracy is locked in my lineup if Devin Singletary's gone. The question that I've seen on Twitter a lot is if Singletary is active, can you still play Tyrone Tracy or can you even play Devon Singletary? Who would you start if both those guys are active if you had to start one and or would you just bench both of them?

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If I have to start one, I'm going to start Tracy. He's looked very good. This is a football player. You did it. Giants, good work. You got a later round running back. And Devon Singletary still being limited with the groin injury. Clearly, it was a worse injury than they initially thought it was going to be. And so I just, yeah, if I got the two of them, I'm going Tracy. I'm trying to work through it, man. What would you really do with this? And I'd go Tracy. AJ Brown, Devante Smith are in there. Other new men. I want to draw attention to Theo Johnson, who is tied for third among all tight ends and routes run. He's a rookie for the Giants. Five targets two weeks ago, three targets this past week on the field of ton. And again, tied for third among all tight ends and routes run. It could have just been Malik neighbors missing.

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situation. But you should watch young players when they get new opportunities. Yes. I think Theo Johnson, which the way that you're describing him, I can only assume we're going to hear about him in the draft Kings lineup later in the episode. Him and Jadavian Sanders, two rookies who are both? Not the case. Oh, okay. 2,800, though. I did check on it. Yeah. Yeah. But he's not in my life. Okay. I'm shocked. But he's... You always try to read my analysis. Like if I go a little deeper on a player, like, oh, he shouldn't even know about this guy. Yeah, he's got to be squeaking him in. Yeah, keep an eye on him. I don't know that I would start him, especially against the tight end matchup against the Eagles. It's just not a good one. The Eagles are number two against tight ends, both schedule adjusted and otherwise. But keep an eye on him as a rookie. What do you make of...

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the Eagles coming out and being new men as the head coach. Is that what he said? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Nick Siriani. He was asked about the shaved head. The shaved head. The new look for Siriani. He's all about this is turning the page. He's a new man. This is one of the final stages before you get fired. You shave your head. You buzz your head. You buzz your head. You come up with some. Some idioms for, you know, why things are going to change. Look, I don't think that it's out of the question that they lose this ball game. I have not been impressed with Philadelphia this year. I've not been impressed with Jalen Hurts this year. Last year, minus the final 10 games. Yeah, they were pretty impressive. The Jalen Hurts thing is so tough of he's had A.J. Brown, what, for two games? Yeah, I think J. Hertz has been fine. In both of those games with A.J. Brown, he's been, he's been solid. Four of his five games, though.

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33 or fewer rushing yards. That's worth noting. Sure. The rushing yards, you'd love to see those go up. But if you look at the games where he had his receiving options, he's been a great fantasy option. Obviously, when he lose A.J. Brown and Devante Smith, that he struggled that game. You'd love to see him overcome, especially against the matchup against Tampa Bay. But with both those guys back, obviously you're starting Jalen Hertz, right? Yeah. Yeah. The Raiders are 2 and 4. They take on the 1 and 4 Rams in Los Angeles. The Rams are heavy home favorites here. D.K. Sportsbook hasn't met minus 7. The overrunners, 43 and a half. And, you know, the Rams might get Cooper Cup back in this one. The offense for the Raiders has looked putrid. I think it is Madison and no one else, honestly, on that side. I mean, when you have a...

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