And that's, with Hearns. Well, Hearns, I don't even know if he got drafted. It's a good way to look at it, though. Because if you look at it that way with the upside, it's an interesting decision to make. All right, I have a question here from Crawford and Vancouver. He wants some clarity. The keeper rules that Jason talked about a couple episodes back. He said his buddies and him are going to start a keeper league for next season. They're not sure how it should work. The main problem was keeping a player and losing a pick works.
Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Early RB Rankings, Fantasy News & Mailbag
Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - Early RB Rankings, Fantasy News & Mailbag
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136 passageshow that works, because they randomize the redraft order. For example, if he takes Lev Bell first overall this year, keep them for next year but end up with the 12th overall pick in the following year's draft. It doesn't seem fair. Is the redraft order the same every year, or do you just accept that there will be a good amount of luck involved? There is, there's a couple easy answers for that. To me, it's just round value. If you happen to get Bell at the back of the first, I tip my cap to you, and you got Levi-on Bell at the back of the first round.
Well, and generally, you don't necessarily do random redraft. You're saying you don't randomize the draft order. You don't randomize the situation. So you have reverse order of standings if you were to do it that way, then you are at least appropriately distributing. And that's how we do it in our league. My other Keeper League is random? It's random every single year. Okay.
What you can actually do in that league is you can't trade draft picks, but you can trade your draft slot. So let's say I'm first, I get the first overall pick, and there's someone. You can swap the entire draft. Yes, and there's someone at the back of the first who wants to move up because then they'll get a better player. I get better keeper value for my first round pick, and we can trade those. Yeah, so essentially Crawford, here's the deal. It's not unfair.
It is a tip of the cap. Whether or not you choose to randomize the order or go based on standings, it's fine either way. The only other rule that I usually talk about when it comes to the keeper waiver system is what to do with free agent guys that you get. And I will say this. Probably the most agreed upon here between the three of us would be to take the waiver guy, use his average draft position at...
whatever date you guys decide at the draft or whatever, minus a round. So for me, if it's my vote, I say you don't keep waivers, but the worst thing you could do is say you get a waiver for the last pick in the draft. I just think that's silly. There's any way I can talk you out of that. There's no way you could talk to that. Jason's stump speech. One try.
Okay, give me your... Oh, give me your best shot. Give me your best shot. We just made a big compelling argument about FAB and the value of FAB and the strategy of FAB. What does that revolve around? That revolves around making strategic, smart, ingenious waiver wire selections. Now you're going to take a Keeper League, which once again we say, hey, you just set the rules the other day. Keeper League's more fun, more strategy, year-round league. You're going to take this strategic component of waiver wire and you're going to reward somebody for spinning their FAB strategically.
Not at all. You're not going to reward them at all. Now, I'm fine with the ADP minus a round. That's a small reward. But telling them they can't keep them is revolting. Nope, it is not. And here's why. Because...
While at week one, you're fine on that. A lot of times what ends up happening is the keeper you're going to grab, you know, you get late, and you didn't do it because you had the better situation. You did it because other guys spent their fab and you had one dollar more. That's the part of the strategy. That's the only reason you got him. Sure, but it's not going into the draft. You didn't do that at the draft. You did that in the season. Nobody in the entire league, not one player thought, you know what, this guy's worth drafting with a late flyer. And he turns out to be Odell Beckham.
Because of all of your stupidity in your league, you get him for the last pick in your next draft. That's fine. Silly. We'll get to the end here. I see the gap between us. I understand what it is. You are basing your Keeper League picks on the draft. Yes. And I'm saying it should be a reward of your play during the year. You got a reward during the year. Exactly.
So that's the difference between them. Yep. So, all right, that's it for today's show. Like I said, we got the next six running backs on Thursday show. Stay tuned for that. I'm sure we will have more revolting debates for you or just some really good ones. But we're not done today. YouTube. If you're on the podcast and the audio version of the podcast, jump on that YouTube because we're doing this thing, this hip thing.
called The Show After the Show, where we take a topic that may seem ridiculous like pitting a lion against a grizzly bear and we talk it out. We get the talking points. We apply the same principles. The way we approach fantasy. Ridiculous of fantasy football to these various debates. And we don't even know what today's is. We have a number of ideas. I'm sure we will.
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