NFC South Breakdown + Traps, Pitts, and Unfortunate Last Names - Fantasy Football Podcast for 7/20

On the Giants? The Giants with that offensive line. And look, even if he's Sequin, like you think he's going to get the Christian McCaffrey Dalvin Cook workload in week one or two? Probably not. This is why on our early bust show, he was a name that was brought up. Yeah. So it's down a notch for me, tier wise. Washington football team running back, J.D. McKissick, gained weight this off season. Mike, you talk about gain and weight all the time.

Bulking. Hey, wait. Well, at the running back position. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I'm not saying you talk about gaining weight. But that's exactly what you said. Well, you talk about in the context of my previous sentence, you talk about how you feel about running backs and wide receivers adding or cutting weight. Would you like to expound on that? Yes. And why McKissick will steal your soul. Running backs, when they put on weight, I do not like it. I get what the, the.

The context and the concept is they want to be able to take the wear and the tear of all of those carries. But more frequently than not, they lose agility, they lose speed, the things that were making them actually successful as a player. So I do not like when I see running backs talk about putting on weight. And the opposite of that is wide receivers. They, it's.

It seems to have worked out for them. And I know this is a lot of just, you know, not really having, there's no data behind this. This is just my personal run through fantasy football that when I see a running back talk about putting on weight, it doesn't work out. Meanwhile, it does for wide receivers. Okay. So McKissick doesn't want to be thought of as only a pass catching back. That's a shame. That was what you were good at. Peyton Barber cut weight because he doesn't want to be thought of as a.

No longer on the roster running back. So he's trying to make the team. And that was today's news and notes brought to you by Sleeper, Switcher League right now to the fastest growing fantasy platform today. What is he going to do? Like McKissick is not taking Antonio Gibson's job when it comes to carries. He might, the best case scenario for McKissick is he holds on to exactly the same job that he had last year. That's best case. No, your role.

Right? Stay in your lane. Yeah, I was just saying, like, you were, you were very important to the team. Well, that, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, like, know what your role was and be great at that role. Yeah. But I, I imagine he, you know, I don't know. I didn't see, I didn't see him say this.

I don't know how much weight he gained, but... 72 pounds. It's really bad news. He slowed down significantly, but he's hoping to be the goal line option. Lindale-McKissick. Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, there. Thank you. Thank you, Al. I had been prepared for that, that whole talk, and then I let my guard down. And then the drop game. Okay. Let's get this started. Let's get divisional.

We're into the NFC South today on our divisional breakdowns. The NFC shows have begun. And we'll start with the Saints last year 12 and 4. Actually started the year 1 and 2. Questions abounded. That's crazy. And then they won nine straight games. They also went 6 and 0 in the NFC South, which didn't really matter because they swept Tampa in the regular season, but then lost in the divisional round to Tampa. And they whipped them.

in the regular season. I mean, by a combined 46 points. So I think the big question mark for the Saints, and I kind of have a narrative here that I want your opinion on, but people want to know is if the Saints are going to regress without Breeze, right? Post-Breeze era begins. There was news this morning that the Saints are going to open a, hold on open competition of quarterback. Don't know who the 2021 starter is.

I know we all like Sean Pate. But last year was a perfect example of magic at the head coaching position does not always mean success on the field. The Patriots lost Tom Brady. And it was a rough year for the Patriots figuring out the quarterback position and the offense. Are you expecting regression from this team?

and what does it mean to you that they're having an open competition right now? Yeah, I think the open competition was what was expected. Otherwise, we would all have one of these guys statted with confidence that they are the starter. Nobody knows who the starter is. The beat reporters will take their guests and they admit they don't know who it is. We're not going to know who it is until late in the season. And there will be regression for the Saints as far as when you're going from a first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback.

and you've been a very, very solid team. You're not going to just stay status quo and be one of the best in the league. But the roster is strong. Most positions, the defensive side of the ball, as an NFL franchise, I expect the Saints to still be a quality team, which is why I do lean that Tayson Hill will still get the starting.

gig he was three and one as a starter he's going to manage the offense better turn the ball over fewer times and i think at the end this is a team that just wants to win games and i you know there's parallels here with new england because the saints last year there were fourth in defensive rushing yards given up fifth and passing yards fifth and points against new england's recipe was

Some passing, some running from the quarterback position with Cam Newton and then play elite defense. It's hard of looking at Tassum Hill's starts because we view everything through the fantasy football lens. And Tassum Hill was very solid for that purpose. He was a top 12 quarterback in each of his starts, including an incredible debut as the quarterback four against the Falcons. But those four games, Atlanta, Denver, Atlanta.

Philadelphia. And I know that it's wins on the board, but how much does the team look at that and go, well, Taysam Hill beat really crappy teams? And then we lost to Philadelphia, who at the time, like at the time of the season, Philadelphia was already, it was bad. Like they were already.

looking towards next year. That seemed like a let your guard down situation. Possible. And that was also, I believe, the first game for Jalen Hurt. So it was kind of a shot in the arm for the Philadelphia Eagles. But it will change. Who the quarterback is changes the outlook of some of these players. For me, the biggest difference here is Alvin Camara.

Whether or not Alvin Camarillo. Really? It's not Michael Thomas? No, because Michael Thomas showed in that four-game stretch that he was absolutely outstanding with Taysam Hill. His target market share was through the roof. He was on pace for like 180 targets. I mean, this was, I don't have that much of a difference in my outlook between Winston and Taysam Hill when it comes to Michael Thomas. I think Michael Thomas will have.

more opportunity for receiving touchdowns because I would presume that Winston would throw more passing touchdowns. But outside of that, it's really Alvin Camara to me because of the target volume and whether or not the quarterback can take off running or dump it down to the incredible Camara. How much do you feel right now? So are you still projected for Taysam Hill? Yes. And Alvin Camara is...

Right now, where in your running back rank? He's already my running back three with Tason. Oh, there's Super Camario. I mean, look, Alvin Camara. So you're not that worried. You're talking about how you're worried, but he's your running back three? Yeah, there's a tier. There's a tier break. You know, obviously Dalvin Cook, Christian McCaffrey are in their own tier. And then Alvin Camara is next. But he was the running back one last year, right? I...

have him down as a new nickname, new descriptor. It's the dumbest player to doubt in the NFL. Camara? Alvin Camara. Okay. It's the dumbest player to doubt. We create these new reasons to doubt him, and there's no reason to doubt him. He is averaging the most yards per touch of any running back through the first four years of their career. That's since 1970. He reminds me of what Jamal Charles was. If you remember, just the, look, you're on another level than everybody else.

And I do not personally have any concern for Alvin Kamer, regardless of quarterback. I am with Jason. I 100% believe that Taysom Hill is going to win the job. Look, you can say what you want about. Like, hey, it was, they lost to Philadelphia. I mean, it was overall a pretty good debut. And Winston lost to him once. So maybe that's Sean Payton wanted to give Taysam his due because he promised him. I mean, I don't know. We'll have an open competition again.

I know Taysam Hill says he's only been doing workouts for a starting quarterback, starting quarterback workouts. So he won't be ready for anything else if he loses. Oh, that sucks for him. I know. And if you've watched James Winston's workouts, he's only been doing workouts for the lead in the Barnum and Bailey Circus. So he's really looking to do some wild and wacky things out there. Nobody does stupid workouts in James Winston. These videos he posts like, what are you doing? They are.

interesting. Do you, let me just, since Jason's brought it up a lot this off season, Mike, I just want your take. Do you have any actionable difference in your opinion on Alvin Camara based on the quarterback? I like an adjustment on how you would treat him for the fantasy football draft season. I don't. We saw such a small sample of Taysam Hill. And in those first two games, he threw the ball 18 or 23 times and then 16 times before.

really opening it up, you know, and averaging about 37 attempts for game over those last two. And that's when he finally did target Alvin Camara. So I don't, as of right now, I'm not concerned either way. I know that there are definitely studies and things of how a mobile quarterback you do see a drop in targets, you know, maybe one to two targets a week, but Camara is still elite and is the...

the number two receiving option on the team. Now, I won't stay here too long. Jason's talked a lot about the value he likes in Michael Thomas. Right now he's a mid-third round pick, the wide receiver ninth off the board. I'm more on the like moderate value side for Michael Thomas. I expect him to be capable of returning to what he was before the breakout like insane season, right? So that was wide receiver seven or six.

wide receiver ninth off the board right now i mean if you believe in michael thomas no matter what maybe there's a little bit of a second round value there in the third yeah i i mean i've i've talked about it in recent shows but i do think he bounces back i i think he is as locked and loaded as a wide receiver five through ten as

possible. Like I don't think he has the ability with this new quarterback to be the wide receiver one, but I don't see him dropping outside of the top 10 either. His target market share is as assured as any player in the league because the wide receiver core behind Michael Thomas is not only not good, but also irrelevant because Michael Thomas. I guess part of me hesitates on that pick with Thomas versus some of the, you know, like Tara McLaurin is the ceiling higher.

Is it higher for Alan Robinson or Amari Cooper than it is? Because you said you don't expect him to be able to compete for number one. Are there players behind him in your rankings that do have that chance? Yeah, I do have players behind him that I think could hit the number one wide receiver. But when you're just, when you're factoring in the probability of that happening mixed with the likely range of outcome, Michael Thomas is definitely going to be my pick there. And then Adam Troutman is becoming less of a.

an unknown name in the fantasy football world. Thanks, Mike. I'm doing my best. So he is a tight end. Yes, he is a second year tight end. As a rookie, he graded out as pro football focus, his best run blocking tight end in the game. How many fantasy points you get for that? None. But you earn the trust of your coach and you get on the field and you earn the trust so much that they take Jared Cook and Hill. Jared Cook.

The other starting tight ends of the team, and you wave both of them, and you move forward with Troutman. The opportunity is great for him. He's still a late round tight end. He's definitely a lower probability player. I'm by no means declaring Adam Trouman is breaking out this season. I just think that the opportunity is there, and while his athleticism is not on par with, like, the Walleris, I mean.