Week 12 Studs & Stinkers + White Knuckle Starts, GibSZN - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/30

under 100 passing yards. That's, yeah, we've seen that from Cam Newton. Nine for 46 on the ground, not too bad. Cam Newton was vultured by a running back for his touchdowns. James White came through with two carries inside the 10 for two touchdowns. Ridiculous. And they won the football game. And they won. And that really hurts. All right, running backs. What do we do with Alvin Camara right now, guys? 11 for 54 on the ground, two targets, one catch for negative two yards. That makes one catch in the last two weeks. Man.

I've seen people, let me put it this way. I've seen people reaching out and saying, look, I can trade Camara right now for DK Metcalf straight up. I can trade him for that tier of wide receiver. They want out, they feel like they don't have what they've had and they won't get it in the Tastom Hill era. But I stare at the fantasy playoffs. I see Philadelphia, Kansas City, Minnesota, and I think about Drew Brees coming back. And I don't feel like I'd make that trade.

But Drew Brees, I think the earliest he'll get back is week 15 was kind of what they were saying. So you're hoping he's back for the second week of the playoffs. That's true. And you're hoping you made it there, you know, through tough competition in the playoffs. So, you know, this is obviously team dependent. You can't trade Alvin Kamara for D.K. Metcalfe if, you know, that's going to leave you with mediocre running backs. If you've got.

great depth there, then I might look to make that trade. I think Camara is going to be phenomenal, a world beater when Drew Brees is in the lineup and when Taysam Hill is in the lineup, which is probably at least half of the rest of the games, if not more, he's going to be mediocre. He's just not getting the ball in the air. What we haven't seen is Taysam Hill have to come back.

I mean, the game against Atlanta, 24 to 9. The game is against the Broncos with no quarterback, 31 to 3. It's just been a commanding lead where Taysam Hill is set up for success, where he doesn't really have to throw, he can run, they can hand the ball off to Latavius Murray. And they get Atlanta next week, Philadelphia, the following week. It's hard to imagine a world where the Saints are trailing.

in those games and they have to use Camara more in the passing game. I thought it would be an interesting conversation here, just a real side note for Alva Camara because this is the audition, right? This is the audition for Tayson Hill. I expect Drew Breeze to be done after this year. Where are you guys on Drew Breeze's retirement? Yeah, I think this is trending that way as well. It kind of reminds me of the end of Kurt Warner's career, too, getting beat up in his final season. Breeze has missed some time.

broken ribs. It's up to 50, 60 broken ribs at this point. And I think this is the swan song. I think this is it. I agree. And this is Taysam Hill auditioning to be the quarterback for this team. What are you doing in Dynasty? I mean, this team just opened the vault for Alvin Camara and Michael Thomas. Can you imagine Tassum Hill as the starting quarterback for this team next year? And you thought you had the number one wide receiver. You thought you had a top

three top five running back. What do you do? Well, the question here is, do you panic? And I don't know if I'm willing to panic on those players yet. It's two games. It's hugely disappointing. But we've talked about, like, Camero was questionable going into last week with the injury. We know the talent. And so I'm not, I'm not ready to panic in dynasty formats. But I think the case that Jason made about Breeze coming back, week 15 at the earliest,

You can't, you got to stay water. You can't treat Alvin Camaro and maybe even Aaron Jones and maybe, you know, obviously Zeke, the same way you would when the season began. Right. Oh, Super Camario. The Gumba got him. Oh, man. Yeah. He's certainly not, if he's, if he's out there, he's not, he doesn't have the mushroom. You know what I mean? No, no. He's hanging on by a thread, regular size Mario. Yes. Yeah. All right. Zeke. Luizek, the Guba got Zique.

Man, what a terrible game for Zeke. And, I mean, I haven't seen anyone talking about it on Twitter, so you have to, I imagine he's fine, but it's worth noting. Zeke did tweak his ankle at the very end of that game. A Zeep Tweek? A Zeke tweak. A little Zeke meek tweet. Is he going to miss a week? I don't know. I doubt it. Yeah, I doubt it. I'm just saying you need to be aware of what's going on. A one week tweak for Zee? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. TP? TP?

It would be interesting to see what Pollard did with a full game. And I did call Zeke Invincible, so he'll probably play. And they did lose Zach Martin for three to four weeks with a calf injury on the offensive line where that was two weeks ago where it looked like, okay, Zeke is kind of going to be back because they figured some things out on the O line. Well, they got to figure some things out again. Yeah. Josh Jacobs, seven for 27. This whole game.

You know, you can kind of just throw it away. It was a disaster. He got hurt. Fancy playoffs, though, the Colts, that's a tough week one playoff matchup. And then the Chargers in Miami. Dalvin Cook went out with an injury, came back. Damocook is the new LaShawn McCoy where he's incredible.

Their game kind of reminds me. Dalvin Cook reminds me a bit of Shady McCoy. And it reminds me that I see Dalvin Cook go down to a season-ending injury at least once a game now. He's trying to get that to once a quarter recently. But Jason, what do you do with Aaron Jones right now? 17 for 90, 19 opportunities. Didn't do a lot in the passing game. Not a complete stinker of a game. But it's more being brought up because Jamal Williams are 17 for 73 in a touchdown. In the last few weeks, it's been looking like a timeshare.

I think they're splitting these guys because they can. You know, there was kind of some debate last night over, well, is this them wanting to rest Aaron Jones, or is this just, look, Jamal Williams has been good and it's a one-two punch. And I think it's in between those two things. I think if they were in a position of need, they know who they're better running back is. They know it's Aaron Jones. So it's one of those things where you look at the upcoming schedule. It's cake. You know, it's Detroit and Carolina.

and Philadelphia, those should be games you're winning. And so you're probably expecting a one-two punch. But because they're easier matchups, you know, Aaron Jones can, in the first half, go off and be the reason that the Green Bay Packers are up. So I think you just start Aaron Jones every single week. I don't think you've seen anything on film to say you should be worried. And if they need him,

They will rely on him. That I'm confident in. And he looks, he just looks outstanding. Every run looks great. He just didn't get it done. He's just not scoring. He's just not scoring. He's one touchdown in the last several weeks. And I think, I think it's, they're having so much success passing the football in the red zone right now with Aaron Rogers. Like that could be a part of it too. Good. But Jamal Williams should not be on your waiver wire. I'll say that you, Jamal Williams should be a priority pickup tomorrow.

Or Wednesday. Bigger question marks here. You guys can weigh in. Clyde Edwards Allaire, 11 for 37, just one target. And this was Clyde Edwards nowhere. This was Clyde Edwards. Where are you in the first half? Because Lev Bell was taking a ton of snaps. Mm-hmm. And your eyebrows kind of, one eyebrow goes up when you see them out there that much. It makes you wonder what the philosophy was to start this game because obviously it was not about Clyde.

Yeah, I mean, there's two arguments. One is the fact that Lev Bell was out there more than Clyde early. And, oh, no, is this going, Clyde has needed the volume. To really be relevant, he hasn't been, you know, supremely efficient. He's needed the volume to have great fantasy days because he hasn't been a touchdown machine on the season. But on the other hand, you go, well, I mean, Terry Kill had 200.

something yards in the first quarter and every drive was just over instant touchdown to Tyreek. And then they're, you know, dominating and winning the game where, you know, you don't really need them. So I don't know that you worry too much about Clyde Edwards-Alair. But, I mean, his ceiling just hasn't been there, you know, outside of one or two games the entire season. So he's just an RB2 to me. Yeah, Levy on Bell still only, with all the time he was on the field, that only turned into seven opportunities compared to.

12 for Clyde. Clyde is still the person who will get the most volume. But I think the first half was, that's just one of those frustrating things that comes with an Andy Reed running back. You reap the rewards, but you got to live through other guys being on the field. Even when back in the Jamal Charles heyday, I remember being a fantasy manager screaming at Andy Reed, why is Jamal Charles not on the field right now? All right, I'm getting a little bit.

shaky about Kareem Hunt. This is season low in opportunities behind in terms of running back opportunities. Two targets, no catches. You know, he generally has been a player that is not going to overwhelm him with volume when Chubb is there, but finds a way, right? He scores a touchdown, or he has a nice PPR day. Where are you with Kreme Hunt? Is this an RB2 rest of way? Is this a player that you, like, would you rather have?

Kareem Hunt or Kenyon Drake the rest of the season. I would take Kenyon Drake just because of the known volume. But I'm not bailing on Kareem Hunt just yet. But running back to Flex type of player, the two targets, that was pretty frustrating to see. But maybe that was just you had the kind of that breakout game from Jarvis Landry for the season. I think that those, it's not a coincidence that.

That landry went off, but Kareem wasn't getting targeted. All right. Damien Harris, 14 for 47. I'm concerned, though, because you saw James White get a couple of red zone opportunities here, which is kind of what the recipe was with Burkhead. James White turned into Rex Burkhead. He did. And this is something where Damian Harris is going to have to be, it's just tough in a full PPR league to do a lot with Damian Harris. I guess is my point. That's true. Yep. That's fair. Yeah, he's had, you know.

Quite a few games already this season now. And in his eight games played, he's got a total of eight targets. No, I'm sorry, four targets. Oh, man. He is not utilizing that way. If he doesn't get in the end zone, you're going to be disappointed. J.D. McKissick smooches himself, smooched away your flex position if you put them out there this week. One for six on the ground. Game script. Yeah, two for 21. Even, yeah, yeah.

Game script, that's true. I mean, they weren't playing catch up the whole game, but it was a competitive game, and it just seemed like they weren't utilizing him the same way. I think it was out there at some points of this game where you thought he'd get some targets and he just didn't. Yep. Feels a little bit like the Naim Hines kind of predictability, where some games are just McKissick games and Heinz games, and then sometimes they disappear.

which is what makes me shaky about past catching running backs all the time, and these two guys aren't helping me feel confident there. Yeah, and I do think that a different game script will change things, and they might have McKissk out there receiving more targets as it goes along, but it's not just game script. It is the fact that they have this rookie who can do that, that they want to get more involved. You know, Gibson had seven targets to McKissick's two, and as the season goes along,

I think they want to have Gibson more involved in the passing game. They want to have that three down back like this coaching staff had in Carolina. So, you know, every week is more, you know, experience for Gibson, more knowledge in the passing game, the protection game. And so whenever the opportunity allows that Gibson could be on the field, I think he will be.

Brian Hill was hugely disappointing, filling in for Todd Gurley. Edo Smith had a better day, 12 for 65 and a touchdown, also had five targets. I feel like you can blame Derek Carr for this. Because the game was out of hand and you didn't. But did Leo Smith earn some more playing time with a better performance? He may have, but Edo Smith came in when the game was out of hand and both teams were already pulling starters at that point.

Uh, do you, you, you'd play Hill over Smith then moving forward. If Garry's out again. Yes. Wide receiver, uh, stinky weeks. Michael Thomas, four for 50. DeAndre Hopkins five for 55. Ooh. Which was, uh, oh, which was a little, I mean, this is three out of four weeks. He's been the wide receiver 35 or worse. Oh, gross. And you can't sit him. No, no, you cannot. No. So it is what it is.

Stefan Dig, 7 for 39, disappointing week from him too. This is what happens at wide receiver. Cooper Cup, after the huge week, two for 41, they were out of sync on offense. But Antonio Brown, two for 11. What do you do with Antonio Brown after this week? It seemed like his targets were going up. Was this just a bad week? Or, you know, did the team kind of make a concerted effort to focus more on Godwin? And Brown is not what they wanted? What do you think?