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Starts of the Week + Week 11 Breakdown, Thundersnow! | Fantasy Football 2022 - Ep. 1333

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A jam-packed Never Not Working episode puts Jay Griz in Deucers Alley for his first producing shift, with Brooks pushing the record button.

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Devin Singletary or Christian Watson? I, because of the, look, both players have the chance of hurting you. I do lean Watson. I don't, it's hard for me not to, you know, it's three touchdowns. This is a very explosive player. I'm not worried about Randall Cobb. I think all of your shots in this game, they're not coming, they're not going to Alan Lazard. Ellen Zard's really good at. You know, you get in the red zone. Ellen Azard is a threat. But I think your shots in this game are 100% to Christian Watson. So I do lean that direction. It depends on what your team needs. So that's my win. Yeah. But Devin Singletary to me is a flex option. Yeah. Singletary is a flex option for me. I have him right now running back 20. So he's still, he's still inside the top 24. I'm not worried about playing him. Any renewed.

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hopes for Kareem Hunt in a game that might need more rushing. Never. Never. No, it is really. Cleveland, what are you doing? I mean, very difficult to trust Kreme Hunt right now with the way that they've been utilizing or not utilizing him. 36% of the snaps, six carries last game. That's not a player you can start. Can we just, can we just play Nick Chub and no one else on the Cleveland Browns? I mean, I don't, Marty Cooper on the road has been really bad with the weather situation. I know Donovan People's Jones has been involved, but again, you're, you're playing a defense that's,

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really, really good on their home turf in a tough weather game. You know, if it's that cold, you know, you have drops. You have some of those circumstances. Cold, you know, I know Cleveland knows what they're doing, but do you guys want to take a chance with those other players? I think you can. Obviously, Amari Cooper is. really good on the course of the season. He's been horrific in his road games. This is a road game against tough defense. Donovan People's Jones has been really consistent. A lot of yardage and targets and receptions, especially while David and Joku has been out. David and Joku did not practice Wednesday is still dealing with the high ankle sprain. So I think both of those. Amari Cooper, Donovan, People's Jones are both decent flex options that I would put behind Gabriel Davis.

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Mike, Christian Watson are those two guys? Christian Watson. But it's those two, especially Donovan, like I'm going up to the wire of I need to see the reports from the field. How are the field conditions? Is it snowing? Because we're still too far away to know for sure if the snow will be cleared by then. But if the snow isn't actively coming down and they've cleared the field and it's just cold, I still would be willing to play People's Jones. Amari Cooper with the road splits. I'm not, I'll go on record. I'm not playing them, them Cleveland wide receivers. Okay, okay. Buffalo just lost a close game. This is, what's a line in this game? Seven and a half gives Cleveland 17 points. No, I'm going to, I'm going to personally stay away. Okay, I mean, over the last six weeks, Buffalo 26th against fantasy wide receivers, allowing over 30 points a game to the position. I don't think there's upside. Okay.

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Donovan People's Jones has not been in the top 24 this year. He has not scored it. He has like, does he have the most yards without a touchdown? Or is it Deontay? I'm not banking on a touchdown in Buffalo. Sure. But just saying, to quote the not in the top 24 while the guy is averaging basically 80 yards for the last eight weeks or so, I mean, he's been good. Isn't it fair to say that there's, I don't see upside if he's never been in there? Sure. You can say that or you can say there is the regression to the mean of he should have three touchdowns or so at this point. Okay. I mean, you could look at it from either side. I know, but the Donovan People's Jones is not a proven commodity. So what's the regression too? Well, I mean, you've got a proven nature of him being involved in this offense, especially while in Joku's been gone, but proven to the point of a consistent floor.

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not necessarily any kind of ceiling. So are you making your very first touchdown guarantee, Mike? I am not. No. Quick break back with another matchup. Chicago Bears are three and seven. They take on the four and six Atlanta, Atlanta, three and a half point home favorites. The over and under is 49. This game should be fun. I mean, you have two below 500 teams that the storylines surrounding them are more. Look, they're interesting for fantasy purposes. The Bears, they give up a ton of fantasy points to running backs. Past six weeks, they've done that to the wide receiver as well. They've definitely gotten worse on the back end. You know, it's been a fun offense to watch. Justin Fields has been on fire, a blazing inferno. They need, like Justin Fields, if you got near that stadium in Buffalo?

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No problems with the snow. Oh, yeah. Well, there'd be a problem with... Like a flood? Yes. Yeah. David Montgomery, you know, just... Khalil Herbert is on IR. And so David Montgomery has a huge opportunity here. I mean, the Falcons, 25th against the running back position over the last six weeks, 22nd on the year. He's a good start. I feel like he is... He should be a great start with... He did not practice on Wednesday. Personal reasons we have... We don't know. what's going on with Dave of Montgomery. But at this point, no reason to expect he won't play, but just saying you need to keep an eye on that. He should have 20 opportunities in this game. Yes, he should. And if he has 20 opportunities against the Atlanta Falcons, even if he does not get a touchdown, he should have a safe enough floor. The touchdowns should still be coming from him. I know Justin Fields has been real selfish.

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hogging all them touchdowns. He's just taking what belongs to him. That's fair. But I have no fears starting David Montgomery. He's had some down games, but the situation is great this week. The backup there is going to be Tristan Ebner, who with the personal day for David Montgomery was the top back in practice. Darnel Mooney against the Atlanta defense. Yep. He won't be the one scoring the touchdown, obviously. That'll be Chase Claypool. Well, but Mike, darnel Mooney can, you know, get it done. Yeah. Let's see. I'm checking in on the Falcons defense on the season. 32nd out of 32nd. Over the past six weeks, 32nd, over out of 32. You're saying maybe both can get in the end zone? That's what I'm saying. That's the absolute best possible matchup for fantasy wide receivers. Justin Fields on fire.

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We've talked about, like, Fields isn't going to hit a 60-yard rushing touchdown every single week. And his passing touchdowns, since the change of the offense, the touchdowns are on the rise as well. I think they're, it's crazy to be in this world, the three and seven bears of where they were at the beginning of the year to now, like, pretty much the key pieces in, in this offense in play. Fields, great play. Montgomery, great play, Mooney. You can start him. Chase Claypool is apparently scoring a touchdown this week. That's it, though. Because the wizard over there. You're out on. Claypool is going to catch two for 24 in a touchdown. Okay. Oh, oh. Just to put the full stout line. And then Colcomette, four touchdowns in the last two weeks. I mean, he did not practice on Wednesday with the thigh, but if he's active, he's in streaming contention. Yeah, yeah. He's a streamer, but monitor that injury. It was a, did you say it was a thigh? That's what we have listed. Yeah.

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Both teams want to run the ball. Chicago's number one in Rush, Atlanta's number two. The over-under is nice. Cordero Patterson, look, Mike, I know we're going to talk about him later. That makes me happy because last week was very concerning for people seeing so few touches. You know, Tyler Algeria on the field, Caleb Huntley on the field, Avery Williams on the field. It was annoying, you know, this offense. You think they get back to Cordero? The story that I tell myself with Patterson heading into this week was the guy is still returning from his injury. And, I mean, it was really rainy, right? Am I remembering that correct? The game on Thursday, it was a bunch of rain. Those were the tiers of Patterson managers. You're talking about Panthers? Yeah, it was rainy. Yeah, like the field conditions, perhaps they were trying to protect Patterson from, you know, slipping.

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hurt and re-agravating an injury, and so they went with the other guys. You're gifted. You should write little stories for people when they have a bad week with a hurting player, because that was persuasive enough for me. It was like a little bedtime story. It's what we have to do when we play fantasy football. Once upon a time, they wanted to protect Cordero Patterson. Because the snap percentage, it went, it went down a point, but the opportunities went way down. So I think he will be back. He's there, he's the best running back on the team. Drake London and Kyle Pitts are both close your eyes, gambles. That's what it is every week. Look, there's injuries, right? There's injuries at the tidying position and you may be backed into it, but you're probably going to be unhappy. That's just Drake London and Kyle Pitts, their subtitle is you're probably going to be unhappy this week. Yeah, I mean, put it this way. Cole Komet, let's say he practices in full rest of the week. He plays.

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You're playing Colquette or are you playing Kyle Pitts? Yeah, Colcomet. That's where we're at. All right. The Philadelphia Eagles are 8 and 1, and they take on the 4-5-1 Indianapolis Colts. This game's in Indianapolis. The trafficking sportsbook line here, Philadelphia minus 7. I'm doing it again. Oh, man. Andy's almost upset of the week. The Philly fans don't like me. I got a lot of messages about that because of what happened on Monday night. Did you tell them that you didn't play the football game? I tried. I tried to let them know it was on them, but then they blamed the refs, and we just moved on. Yeah, they had a point for a couple of ways. So the Colts defense over the last six weeks, number one against opposing fantasy-wide receivers, 10th against tight ends, no Dallas Goddard, games at home in Indianapolis. I like what I've seen from the Colts defense in spurts this year. Jonathan Taylor is healthy. A.J. Brown, we think he's healthy. He says he's fine. Remember.

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don't listen to the players. Devante Smith and AJ Brown were both limited in practice. I think this is a game. Indianapolis needs it to stay in contention. So I think it will be a very close one. Do you guys find me to be a... Silly in this prognostication? Nope. For the second week in a row, I'm in complete agreement with you. I took the points on the Indianapolis Colts side. They're at home. They've got the coaching change and maybe they are trying to buy in to Saturday. Give it him, give him to get a cut. And I think that he's a leader of men. That's right. I think the way that this matches up with what I believe is a.

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injured AJ Brown. I'm not saying he's not going to play, and I'm not saying you can't play him, but I don't think he's at full strength. You saw him kind of roll that ankle, and then you saw him fall later in the game, you know, on a really important route. He's not practicing in full, so you're not at full strength here for the Eagles, and I think at home in Indianapolis, I still have, I think almost upset is right. I think the Eagles win this game, but I think this could be a closer game. Eagles defense has struggled against running backs over the last six weeks. They're actually 23rd in football, giving up 22 plus fantasy points per game. Jonathan Taylor, you should play him without fear. At home, good opportunity for him. You do have renewed options in the wide receiver room for the Colts. I'm not saying they're guarantees, but Michael Pittman and Paris Campbell should have, I would say, probably seven plus targets each in this game, and you just have to roll the dice and hope they're good enough. Yeah, the...

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I mean, I don't know. I get that the matchup is terrible against the Eagles for their fantasy wide receivers, but how do you not play Paris Campbell? You have to. Like, Paris Campbell with Matt, so his last three games with Matt Ryan, he has been a wide receiver one, not just. Oh, he got me points in the flex position. He was a top 12 wide receiver. It's absurd. And then there's the two games right in the middle, the jelly of that sandwich, which was terrible, was Sam Ellinger, who didn't target Paris Campbell. But Matt Ryan loves just checking it down short to Paris Campbell and seeing what he can do.

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I would agree that Paris Campbell is a decent option. I don't think he is a must start guy. He was everything you just laid out, but he had a touchdown in all three of those games. Sure, but also seven receptions in all three of those games too. He's certainly gotten a lot of targets, but it's not like he wasn't around with Matt Ryan in the beginning of the year, playing a bunch of snaps, running all the routes, and had bad games. So I don't think it's a guarantee that Paris Campbell. is locked and loaded. Paris Campbell, Christian Watson. Christian Watson. Mike? That really depends on my scoring format. PPR. Paris Campbell. Sure, half PPR. Paris Campbell. Standard I'll take Christian Watson. Rookie only league. Ooh, I can't play Paris Campbell then. Yeah, so Watson. Yeah. I mean, it's basically. He almost trapped you. It's pretty much Paris Campbell's rookie season. Miles Sanders in this game, you're going to play him. Jalen Hertz, of course.

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And you can't predict the tight-in position in Indianapolis right now. And if you need the Goddard replacement, it is Jack Stoll. Is that correct? Yeah, I think he is. For whom the bell stoles? For whom the stole? There's something there. We'll workshop that. Yeah, we'll get that going. I do think he is. Kyle, you might know this off the top of your head. Is he $2,500 right now on Draft Kings? Like, he's a stone man. Oh, stone men. He's been in my lineup a few times. Back to the workshop. All right. Devante Smith? Yeah, I think Devante Smith appears to be the healthiest receiving option right now. But the Colts defense is not giving up a lot of fantasy points to wide receivers. The matchup isn't great. I don't think you bench him. I don't know if we ever want to do this, Brooks. Maybe we can build out a show where we do the Mount Rush more of players you're most scared to always, like to start.

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Like, Devante Smith is that for me. He has been for a couple of years where we all know he's great. Yeah. Like, if you give Devante Smith 10 targets, give me that every week. I just get, I get a little scared sometimes. Yeah, I get it. The New York football jets are six and three. They take on the five and four New England Patriots in New England. Oh. D.K. Sportsbook line, New England minus three and a half. The overrunners just 38. That gives a. gives the Patriots 21 points. The Jets just over 17. There's a lot on the line here. The Jets move into first place in the AFC East with a win. Impressive. If they lose and the bills win, they move into last place. That's your NFC or AFC East. Stakes are high. It's kind of how. This matchups like you two.

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Yeah. One of you could go to the top and then one of you can go to the bottom. Yeah. I mean, genuinely, our matchup is whoever wins probably has a buy week for the playoffs, not just like, oh, we're in. And the other one might miss. So this is, I feel you jets. Are we, is this a guaranteed two-man show on Monday next week? Yeah, one of us is not going to be here. Well, I won't be here if I'll be gone. I'll be here. I'll be a real grump of dump. Grump a dump. I love it. So with a lot on the line here, let's talk fantasy. Remandre Stevenson since week three, the RB8, lock him in. You have to start him. Jets' defense is pretty good, but Ramandre's just been too solid and in the passing game. I think that makes him safe even if you do end up getting more work from Damien Harris, who you can't really start yet, but you certainly need to continue to roster him. If he gets more work this week, I won't be surprised, but I'd.

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I don't think it'll make Ramandre have a bad game. Ramandre is averaging five targets a game. Like to be, to get double-digit carries in the Patriots offense and then five or more targets per week. That is outrageous volume. Over the last six weeks, both of these defenses are top 10 against quarterbacks, running backs, and wide receivers. You know, Jacoby Myers, last time these teams played was nine for 60 in a touchdown. I think he is a fine play. But beyond Stevenson and Myers, I think you just kind of set it down and, you know, respect the fact you have Matt Jones trying to facilitate things and you need to find options elsewhere. Yeah, I mean, put it this way, two of my favorite defenses this week are in this same game. So, yeah, I'm not looking for too many offensive players. You're right. Ramondre, Jacoby, on that side, check out. Let's talk Jets.

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Yeah, and Michael Carter, last time we saw him, RB9 against Buffalo. The Patriots are the number one defense on the year against the running back position. It will be a time share between him and James Robinson. Is this a week that you would just literally sit Michael Carter? Yes. I'm not looking to start either one of these running backs. I would play someone like Devon Singletary over either one. Obviously. touchdowns can happen. You can fall in the end zone, but this Patriots defense has just been outstanding against. Michael Carter or Melvin Gordon against the Las Vegas Raiders. I'd go, Gordon. That's tough. I'll take Carter because I think he could PPR his way to relevance. Michael Carter or Kenyon Drake for the Baltimore Ravens against the Carolina Panthers with the knowledge that Gus Edwards.

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Return to practice yesterday. Pass on the question. Okay. He passed. It's up to you. Drake one spot ahead right now. So I'll stick with my ranking. Is it fair to say Garrett Wilson is your only Jets starter that you want to get out there? That is correct. Garrett Wilson last time we saw him, I believe was over 100 yards for the first time in his career. Oh, nice. Nope, I'm wrong. That was two weeks ago. He was at 92 last week, those seven targets, nine targets. He was 16th and 13th, that wide receiver. He's been pretty good. Where are we with Tyler Conklin, who, when he played New England in week eight, two toddies. And that's like, that's the weak point of the Patriots defense. But we, you saw him have the huge game with the 10 targets. The next week just completely vanished. Or do you think they will exploit that?

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Would you play Tyler Conklin or Kyle Pitts? I, Conklin over Pitts. Okay. Oh, what? Yeah. We got to move on. Yeah, move on. The Rams are 3 and 6th. They take on the 3 and 7 Saints. Two disappointing teams this year. Drafking Sportsbook Line, New Orleans, minus 3 at home. The overrunners 39. Is that the most updated line we have with the Matthew Stafford News, Kyle? That's what we have right now. My goodness. That makes sense. I mean, it really does. The Rams offense with Stafford hasn't been boat racing anybody. That makes sense to you? Yeah, it does. New Orleans is awful too. No, this offensive line for the Rams has been so bad. You lose Cooper Cup. You lose two more offensive linemen. You go to the Saints, a very difficult environment, and they have a good front there. The pass rush is going to be in Stafford's face all day. Do you think the Saints win this game?

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Is that your prediction? I do think the Saints win this game. And you have the three stooges now at wide receiver in Los Angeles. Alan Robinson, Van Jefferson, Ben Scoronic with no Cooper Cup. I mean, that plays a part in this line too, right? Yeah. Marshawn Lattimore is still out. Is that right? That's correct. So Alan Robinson, is he at the top of that list of those three wide receivers if you need a spot start? He has to be at the top of the list because he's already been getting targets. He. projects to be the red zone target that might get a touchdown, but the list starts very late in my rankings. So Alan Robinson is not someone I'm really looking to start. And really, it's more, like I like Ben Skoronik the most in reality because I could play him in.

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DFS where I think he's like 3,900 or something, and you try to PPR your way to a punt play at the position. I'm not liking the idea of starting Alan Robinson in my home leagues, but he would be my pick first. What do you do with Tyler Higby who seems like a... You play him. Okay, so the Saints are number one against tight ends. Yeah, at this point it doesn't matter. We're back to Tyler Higby as very necessary. I think he could end up with eight or nine targets. and end up with 30 yards. So I hope you're in a full PPR. Last week was great, right? Eight, eight catches, 73 yards. I know three or four of those came on like the last drive of the game. The three weeks before he was terrible, but I do tend to agree with Mike that options that tight end are so slim. You're hoping for four screens in this game, four emergency checkdowns. But it's scary to me. But if you're saying, well, he could end up with eight to nine targets and poor production.

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The fact that you have a tight end who's getting eight to nine targets, you got to push those chips in and hope that he catches him. You touch on any of the running backs? Oh, no. Not, no. You can't make me. I mean, I'm hoping for Kyron Williams to break out, but I'm not playing any of them. What about Kamara? Yeah. Yeah. What is? Okay, I'll play him over the Rams guys. Six receptions. Over the last two weeks for Alvin Camara, you'd like to see that go up. Chris Olave? Curious. Kyle, what is this new metric you want to talk about? ESPN has a new receiver tracking metric, and basically Chris Lavae is top five in the league in open score and Yaks score. Like he's a lead already. Well, let's get a good game because it's been a minute. Olave's in, Camara's in. Do I talk anymore?

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about these Saints. Jarvis Landry is back on the field. We're not going to start a fantasy, but be aware of that for... He was back last week. Yeah. Yeah. Like, what do you do? Are we continuing the Taysam Hill experiment? Or looking at Joanne Johnson, who has more PPR points on the season than Taysam Hill. I wish we had time to talk about that, Mike. Well, okay. What if I told you that John Johnson, in three of the last four weeks, has been a top eight fantasy-wide receiver. He's been top four. in two of the last four games. I would say that I watched those football games. Okay. I would say that I observed, like his touchdowns freak me out. Okay, but they still count. They still count. And two of them came, um, as garbage time final touchdowns of the game.

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One of them came when the defense thought he stepped out and they ignored him going down the sideline. They still count. He's a magician. They still count, but I just feel like the bottom might fall out if you were to put him in a starting lineup. Maybe that's just me. Yeah. I think he's a better play. The matchup is better. How about this game? Higby versus Juan Johnson? Oh, I'd play Higby. I'd play Higby. Okay. Yeah. I thought you were going to say Taseem Hill or Juan Johnson. As the Juan Johnson supporter, I would play Higby over him. But let's let's see, would you play.

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like Hayden Hurst against Pittsburgh or Joanne Johnson. I'm playing Hayden Hurst, yeah. Dawson Knox against Cleveland or Joanne Johnson. Dawson Knox. Give me Josh Allen. Yeah, the thing about Joanne Johnson is that obviously last week, I think that was his first big kind of breakout, good game with Landry in the lineup. So he could be breaking out. We could see that. Tayson Hill or Juan Johnson, Mike? Man, I'd. For the brand, I have to play Juan Johnson. Detroit Lions 3 and 6 take on the 7 and 2 New York Giants. Drap King Sportsbook line, the Giants minus 3, the overrunners, 45. The locks in this game, Saquan Barkley, Alman Ross, St. Brown. No need to discuss them. They are in. Yep. Beyond that, though, you do have some headaches. You've got the backfield in Detroit. DeAndre Swift, Jamal Williams, 55% of.

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The running back touches last week for Jamal Williams. That's fine. Just give 40% to DeAndre Swift, please. I actually think this might be a game you're disappointed in both players. Yeah, I would be surprised. We'll talk about it here in a minute as I do really like Jamal Williams. Really? On the road against the seventh ranked run back run defense splitting time. We'll talk about it in a minute. He doesn't want to talk about it now. Well, I don't want to repeat myself. So yeah, we're getting late. Daniel Jones has an opportunity against these lions. I don't know who the benefactors will be. I think Daniel Jones can have a nice game, but Wondale's been brutal, like useless. Darius Slayton's been good. Yeah, that's, if you're throwing a dart at the Giants wide receiver, we've wanted it to be Wondale Robinson. I think that the New York Giants have wanted it to be Wondale Robinson because they tried to get rid of Darius Slaten this off season. I mean,

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