Rookie Sleepers + Dynasty Trades, Where’s The Line? - Fantasy Football Podcast for 5/12

So different coaching staff, though. Yeah, but the coaching staff is going to like 11009. Yeah. So, but anyway, I was kind of begging the question of like, what's one great running back year worth for you? You know, right. You said if you're a rebuilding team. So if I threw the different cap on you and you are in contention, you're probably turning down 110. I'm probably turning it down because even teams that are in contention, it's pretty rare that you have.

three rock solid running backs like look around your dynasty team everybody needs help at the running back position if you have two locked in starters you're you should be feeling very good about your situation which that in and of itself is a tip right like go look at your rebuilding teams in your league and see if they've got a running back like an Aaron Jones or David Montgomery those type of guys aren't their future right

But if you need a running back, if they're on rebuilding teams, go off for a first form and win. All right. Let's do one more, Brooks, before we do some dynasty mailback. All right. So for the last one, Mike is. Oh, I'm in all of them? I guess you are. Yep. And you are trading with Andy for this one. Okay. Another little rematch after I took you for a ride. We made a good deal. Yeah. And you are trying to acquire.

Debo Samuel 26 years old. Both of you are... Both of you made the playoffs last year. You're competing. All right. So this is tough because Andy is going to know, of course, if I have a dynasty team, that means that Trey Lance is on that dynasty team. That's right. And I will be... He knows that I'm looking for the stack. So that is... All right. So Debo Samuel, where are we at the...

as the show with the fantasy footballers. How do we feel about the situation of Debo Samuel? Is the contract coming shortly? Is he going to be playing this year on his rookie deal? I think he will be playing for the 49ers with the new contract once they get Jimmy G. out of the way. Now, O'Dell Beckham did say that wasn't he saying he was going to get traded? To the Patriots. O'Dell was drunk. No, I mean, it makes sense to be able to pay him.

when you have Trey Lance on a rookie deal. So I do think he goes back to San Francisco, but his dynasty outlook is very intriguing. It's very interesting because I'm looking at the transition to Trey Lance, if it happens, which it looks like it's going to happen, as a situation that you could be moving towards a smaller pie, a smaller passing pie in San Francisco, a Lamar Jackson-esque situation. Look, if you run the football...

for 700, 800 yards. I don't think you're throwing for 4,400. I don't think Trey Lanson's rookie season is throwing for 4,400 yards like Jimmy G did last year. Right. So this might be cash in time for Debo Samuel. Young, number two, fantasy wide receiver last year. But you're trying to get them from me. So you see something a little bit different. So right now I have.

Debo as my number six overall fantasy wide receiver. So I do covet him for my team. I think that they're at the age of 26. You know, we still have several years of potential for Debo Samuel. The injury concerns should be pretty real with him where this was kind of the first time we've ever seen a complete season here from Debo Samuel. But I would rather have him than, you know,

Garrett Wilson. Drake London, it's tougher. But if I'm competing, I want him more than any of these guys. Certainly. So I would start at the 102, and I would add in for Debo Samuel. I think we're talking about the 102 this year and a first next year. It would be my starting offer. He's coming in strong. To get Debo, you got to swing a big hammer. You ain't messing around. This is a nice thing that Mike does. When Mike comes with a trade,

He's not trying to low ball. He's trying to get the deal done. This one, it's a really interesting offer. Thank you, Mike, for that offer. You're welcome. Because I don't think there's a consensus strong conviction at 102 for this year. I think that there are, I mean, we literally just had a conversation about Chris Oliva in the office saying, why is he the seven every time? Why can't he be the two? Like, Chris Oliva could absolutely.

absolutely be worthy of the 102. He's phenomenal. He could. So then you have Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams, Traylon Burks, Chrysola Lave. So if I don't have a strong conviction, it's really hard to take the known commodity of Dibeau Samuel and translate it into one of those, but then I get next year's first. Yeah. And because of my lack of confidence in the passing game with Trey Lance and because I do believe they're moving to him,

and because I think Debo ran the ball a lot more than they meant to have them run the ball last year, I'm going to accept your offer. Oh, hot dog. If I could trade Debo Samuel for a high end, a top five pick this year and a first next year, I would do that 100 out of 100 times right now. Yeah. Interesting. So, and so if you're in the other camp, you believe Debo is going to repeat this and go put up a top five finish. I mean,

This was a player that had a better fantasy year than Justin Jefferson, who is untouchable in Dynasty leagues. Right. So if you have that conviction about Debo, here's your path. Go paint the narrative. The wide receiver two this past season. All right, we got a deal done. So now you have Debo and Camakers. Congratulations. And I have just a ton of picks. I must have had two picks next year. You had so many. All right, let's do a little mail bag.

Mailbag. Oh, Dynasty style. Can you order fries that way? Oh, yeah. Dynasty style? Yeah. What comes on it? Is it like a... Oh, I thought you were referring to my voice. I'd like some fries. Yeah, like when I pull up to the Wendy's and they're like, can I take your order? I'm like, yeah. Ooh! Like, what sir? Is your biggie sized? Oh, of course. Put some cheese on my head. Some chicken tenders? All right. Am I Sam Howell?

Here we go. Twitter question from Andy Rue. First year of our Dynasty League wrapped up. All right. This year, we're going to implement Fab. Nice. But we have been in constant argument about how Fab should be handled during the off season. You've come to the right place, Andy Rue. Any light that you guys can shine on this situation of ours.

We can tell you very easily what we do. We have a $100 fab system. We do not allow fab trading in our league. It's been voted on a couple times. And I think pretty split. But we have an in-season budget and an out-of-season budget. So basically when the ball kicks off. Also known as the off-season. Sure. Either, yeah. Tomato tomato. When the ball's kicked off from the T, every team gets 100.

clean, not 100 in addition to what you had. A fresh bank roll. But yeah, everyone starts with 100. It's a rebu. And then at the end of the season. At the end of the Super Bowl. Right. At the end of the Super Bowl, we give another fresh 100 to everyone that lasts through all offseason pickups after the rookie draft. There's always a huge free agent push. And all those do not come out of what you're going to use in your season. I just spent 61 offseason fab.

on Rahim Mostert, who was sitting on the waiver wire, pre-Soney Michelle. Yeah, I mean, whatever. That doesn't bother me one little bitsky. Really? Not even a little. Mostert has the same season with Sony Michelle on the roster as without him. Yeah, I don't even, I didn't even think about that as mattering. That's weird. It was a little one-year deal, a little 1.75. That's not a lot of money. What did Rahim get? How much did he get? I don't know. Five.

Three. Three point one, two. I mean, you talk about the system. Those are two different speeds of players. So if Rahim is who he is, then Sony's a depth piece there. Okay. Question from Twitter. Mike says, if I were to start a new dynasty league, when should the first draft be? Right before the season starts, question mark? I mean, as long as, so if it's your very first dynasty league, at least wait until,

the NFL draft has taken place. If you're a wily veteran in the space and you want to take the gamble of a dynasty startup before rookies have settled with your information, that's fine. But for new people, do it after the NFL draft has happened. And I would recommend as soon as you can after the NFL draft. Yes, there will likely be some pretty seismic player value changes between

the end of May and up until the kickoff of the season. But I think that's part of the fun. And that gives you, you know, some chance to get acquainted with your roster, start maybe feeling around for some trades, getting the, getting a true buzz off of, you know, when one of your players gets a hype piece at a training camp and you can see their old. This player's value has just gone up. Do I want to try and trade them on that momentum?

or do something, do something else. Let's you make some waiver pickups from the undraft. Yes, that's it. The Philip Lindsay that comes out of nowhere that helped Andy get a championship years back. Is that the official theme song of my title? Yeah. In your head. All right. Andy Bolin on Instagram says, what age do you steer away from running backs in a dynasty league? We do have an article on the website by Marvin Elequin who said, it's titled, The Life Cycle of a Dynasty running back.

28 is generally the cliff. It's moved based on, you know, the last couple generations. It used to be 31, 30 to 28 now. I would say that the peak for running backs is generally about 24 years old, so it's super early. But this is less about age to me. It's more about contract. You know, if a player like Joe Mixon signs a...

big second contract with a young team. I'm not moving away from him yet. But in a Dynasty League, when they are about halfway through that second contract, if they are like 26 years old, that's when I try to move on, not because, oh my gosh, they're just going to be trash next year, but because they might be good. They still hold value. If I can trade away a 26-year-old proven commodity for usually a young, good-looking running back, you know, they're

super handsome uh course you know and a future pick that's proven pretty well uh that's worked very well for andy and i over the last several years uh that strategy like zeke right who's 26 right i traded him for mark andrews in a first yeah you did it's so it's so funny how values changed because it really seemed like i very much lost that trade

Last year. Through the first four weeks, you were a big loser. And it's still possible for that to change again. It is if I draft poorly with your first next year. Yeah, if you draft poorly or if Zeeke bounces back to a stronger finish, who is what, the RB6 last year still? He was solid until he had the injury. The sentiment versus the production was tremendous. And that can impact almost everything that you think about a trade. Last off season.

You didn't like that trade. Nothing had happened on the field at all, but you felt dumb. I'm a pessimistic fella sometimes. Instagram question, dynasty question, Terry McLaren or Amari Cooper. McLaren obviously attached to Carson Wentz, 26.7 years old. You don't think of these two in the same breath age-wise, and yet they are. Amari Cooper, 27, Terry McLaren 26.

Amari Cooper has three years left on a contract attached to Deshaun Wants and Terry McLaren could have a new home next year. Man, I do not like this question. Amari Cooper last year, disappointing. What was Amari Cooper two years ago? Do you have those numbers in front of years? I don't have them. Yes. I can give you that. Thank you. While you're looking that up, I can tell you the contract. 16.

Yeah, so he was a solid player. Right. The contract situation, 20 million dead kept this year, 15 million dead kept next year, 11 million dead kept the year after that. How many seasons, by the way? Marty Cooper's been in the league seven of them. How many wide receiver one finishes does he have? Oh my goodness. One or not? One or none? What is it? You may choose one. Okay, I will choose one. Mike, do you have a guess? I think one. One. Yes, he was wide receiver nine.

second year in Dallas. But otherwise... But how many years has he had an incredible half of it? Probably all of them. He is very good at that. I mean, he has been at a hundred target guy every year. Well, one year was 96. But I mean, you got to draw a line in the sand with the Mari Cooper in a dynasty league. And they went after him in Cleveland and there's nobody else there. Yes. I don't like this question because...