Fantasy Football 2018 - Explain Yourself! Ranking Debates & Hot Takes

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Last year, Robbie Anderson went from the 68th ranked wide receiver in 2016 all the way up to 16. And Mike, you've got him at 36. Now, are you pressing the pause button because you don't know how things are going to shake out with his legal situation or because... That weighs into it. Okay. And what about Troll Pryor and the other weapons there? And that's the thing is last year, the Jets wide receiver depth chart was a bit of a disaster.

They last minute added Jermaine Curse onto that team on September 1st. In Robbie Anderson. That's late. Robbie Anderson became the de facto number one. Is a suspension coming for Robbie Anderson? I believe that it will. Quincy and Noonwa is back. In 2016, he accounted for 20% of the Jets targets. Terrell Pryor, maybe he's a dumpster fire. Who knows? But now he's there to also, to build into that workload.

And the thing about Robbie Anderson is it's just regression is coming. He was incredible off the waiver wire last year. Five games, six touchdowns in that time period. And I'm talking consecutively. So you felt the impact of Robbie Anderson. I just truly believe that for an undrafted player, the regression is coming. Germain Curse now has a full offseason to get acclimated in.

What's going on with the quarterback? Josh McCowan. Is it's, uh, is it the rookie? Sam Darnel. Is it the, the Lego figurine? I don't know. I would. So there's just so many things. Talk about blockhead. There are some that's so mean. I know. There are so many things up. Because he's so strong. Up in the air. I like your positive spin there that I'm just not ready to go in on Robbie Anderson being a wide receiver two.

I think those are valid arguments. We have to remember he is very fast, very tall. And, you know, he had problems in college. That's part of why he went undrafted. He's got problems now. But the reality is he's very talented. And I think Sam Donald is an upgrade over their inevitable backup situation because we all know Josh McCown cannot play 16 games. True. You know, I think that's why I ranked him a little bit higher. But if I were to scroll back here on my show notepad, I can show a note. Scroll.

Scroll? You're scrolling? I can show a note here that I had from my last episode. Oh, that's Robbie Anderson arrowed down. Robbie Anderson arrow down. So I do agree that the fact that he was thrust into that wide receiver one role, now he's going to have to re-earn it. So it's a little tough for me to give him. I have him right now with 125 targets.

Whereas, you know, I've got like Quincy and Nunewa, I think at 88 targets. So I should add that to balance out a little bit more. You know, the purpose of these shows isn't simply to debate one another. It's actually in the case of someone like Robbie Anderson, you know, these are polarizing players to rank. Therefore, there's either great value in them or great risk.

depending on what argument you buy into. I can see a player like Robbie Anderson if he drops down the list but can produce as a top 20 wide receiver like he did last year. That's a steal. But if you overinvest and he flames out, then you cost yourself. So that's kind of the situation. I'm very concerned about his touchdown regression coming. All right. You guys want to hold me the grindstone on this one? Go ahead, Jay. All right. Pick him off.

So here with the next guy, we've got a player who is very good on a very good offense, has always produced well when healthy, and Andy hates him as a person. We're talking about, no, not as a person. We're talking about Stefan Diggs, who I have ranked as 14. Mike, you've got him as a wider receiver 1 at number 12, but Andy's got him down at 29, not a top. You know.

When I saw this, my initial reaction was that I have him too low, but I don't. And I won't be changing him because of this situation. In fact, I could contend that you both need to make an adjustment because your projection for Stefan Diggs would far exceed any fantasy finish he's ever had.

46, 38th, 19th last year. I would contend your ranking of Corey Davis far exceeds anything that he has done. I agree. But I think we understand three seasons is more than one. And listen, here's the games played for Stefan Diggs. 13, 13, 14. He's never played a complete season. They're going up. That weighs in. Then I go and I look, I look at how I projected Stefan Diggs. Okay. I projected him to exceed last year's targets, completions, yards.

A better target percentage, a better catch percentage. All I did was moving from eight touchdowns, which I think is a little high for a guy like Stefan Digg to six. So I'm not moving him. I like other guys more. I like more reliable receivers that stay healthy. I like a situation where he is the de facto one on the team. That's the only reason. Now, 29 seems really.

Low. And I have been in the offseason camp of get the better value between Thielen and Diggs, but when I get down to it, there's a massive disparity between 95 targets and 143 that Thielen had last year and 64 receptions and the 91 that Thielen had. There's more of a difference between them. And while Diggs is super talented and a great wide receiver and makes Saints fans cringe even thinking about him, I still contend that he has to prove to me that he can get to 12 to 14.

First, before I go and rank him up there, I think he's a bit of a, I think he's a bit of a trap for those that want to buy into the healthy Stefan Diggs. Now, maybe you get that. Maybe year four is the year you get the healthy Stefan Diggs. It hasn't happened yet. It hasn't happened. Let me ask you this, though, because I'm sure that when you ranked him out and projected him out, you did not give him a full 16 games, which is completely fair based off of his history. But if Stefan Diggs plays 16 games.

He finishes where? Top 15? 15 to 18. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a fair. It's a fair point. So you're right. I put him in that 14 game range with the projection. And we all do our projections slightly different where the injury concern of how much do we bake that in or do we just put a guy's, do we project out a guy's ceiling if he plays out all 16? So we each have our own unique style of how we.

handle those things. Ordinarily, I think we all try to assume health unless somebody has a track record. Diggs is a track record guy, Jordan Reed, some of those players. Is that fair? Yeah, that's very fair. Usually, I'm giving 16 to everyone. Yeah, I mean, it's exactly what you just said. All right. Let's talk to Jason for a minute because, look, I shouldn't be surprised by this. Any wide receiver over the age of 30 gets his disrespect. He hates Larry Fitzgerald. Yeah, over 30. So we're talking about two years ago?

Pierre Garsohn is our 28th ranked wide receiver. I've got him at 25. Mike has him at 26. Some people call us sensible. Some people call us accurate. It doesn't matter. Reasonable. Beautiful. Handsome. Jason, you've got him at 35. I know we've been discussing our ultimate draft kit and players we look at as values. And Mike and I were making the case for Piergarsan, whether to include him in the ultimate draft kit as a value. I saw you grimace.

as though you were eating a food that was sour. So talk to us about Pierre and his connection with Jimmy Hansom and what you expect. Yeah, well, look, Pierre Garcone had a really, really good year. That year was 2013, which was, spoiler alert, a long time ago. Pierre Garsohn since then was the wide receiver 50, 33, 2776, not a top.

two wide receiver. Then you have to look at, okay, how does he score? How did he succeed in the past and what's going to make him succeed now? And the reality, it's volume. He is not a touchdown guy, and that is the major issue. If you look at him over his career, his career average, and this is per 16 games, not just, I'm not taking, you know, an average of if he only played six games, his per 16 game pace is four.

touchdowns a year. You factor in the fact that Kyle Shanahan and his offense is usually... That's called one full Julio. That's called, yes. Four touchdowns is a Julio. Which obviously he was another Kyle Shanahan counterpart where you get the volume, but you don't get the touchdowns. True. He is 32 years old, which is the year that the average wide receiver kind of falls off. And you combine that with the fact that they drafted...

Pettus to come in. Marquis Goodwin got to step up into that role and they have other receiving options there. A lot of people believe in George Kittle. I don't see Pierre Garsohn on this team all of a sudden outdoing his, you know, at age 32, he's going to become some kind of touchdown monster or, you know, be able to produce enough to be a top 24 wide receiver. It's not going to happen this year.

I mean, I'm very confident that he will not be a top 24 wide receiver. And that's nothing against Jimmy G. I think Garoppel has a good year. And I think for NFL purposes, Garsohn has a good year. He might be a good weekly DFS play. Well, Mike and I completely agree. We have him at 25 and 26. Yeah. All right. Well, there you go. And I'll tell you this. I wouldn't take a water bet with him being top 24. That's for sure. Yeah. So there are some things that he's got great hands, but I don't have any hands bonus leagues.

Two years ago, he played the full season. He had a great quarterback named Kirk Cousins. He went over 1,000 yards. Yes, he only had the three touchdowns, but he was over 1,000 yards. Last year, he was literally on pace for 1,000 yards because he had 500 yards in eight games. And he was. Before the injury. And he was playing with a trash bag at the quarterback position in Brian Hoyer. Now he has a very handsome man who throws very handsome passes. I just, he's.

He's still the number one on the team. When San Francisco, uh, robbed a bank, they went to Fort Knox and just grabbed as much gold bullion as they could possibly grab. And they gave it all to Pierre Garcone. They knew how old he was. They knew what they didn't hide it. This wasn't a Cameron artist paying birth certificate situation. They knew how old Garsohn was. They knew what they were getting into. He's going to, he's going to make.

What, $600 billion? $7 million again this year. I think San Francisco knew what they were doing with Garsohn, and he will still be the number one guy. Dante Pettis as a second round pick. We'll see. That's what it comes down to is the number one thing. And the reality is, at least Garsohn isn't a player that, look, you gave his long history of not scoring touchdowns. You're not going to, his age isn't going to steal away a high, you know, deep play.

right situation from him he's a hands guy he's an anquan bolden um with bolden out of the league now so but without touchdowns anquan bolden minus the touchdowns uh correct that's fair darius guys it's time to explain yourself yes mike's got him at 17 taking the leap on darius guys got him at 27 feel good about it mike you got him at 17 jason 24 explain yourself what is

It's harder to go off with rookies, of course, because... Yeah, what did you do last year, Mike? Exactly. He did not have any yards for the NFL. Rookies are... What are you doing over knocking things over? I attempted to throw an aluminum can. Let me ask you this. Yes. We are recording... I've never done that before. We're recording an audio program. In your life, in your history, have you ever...

thrown in aluminum can and had it be completely silent. I was open for the first time. They are the loudest, the loudest material in the history of the world. The irony is, I bet you it didn't even show up in the audio. I had to left-handed up over a curtain. It was great. Normally I have a mug. This all went to crap. Don't throw your mug. No, those break. I don't normally toss those. It's...

Who are you even talking about? We're talking about Darius guys starting running back for Washington because that's how I am projecting him. I get that Chris Thompson is there for the third down work. But Alex Smith doesn't just throw to his running backs on third down. He, Darius Geis is going to be the thumper for this team. Their offensive line was marred.