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Starts of the Week + Week 15 Breakdown, Coach Jokes | Fantasy Football 2025 - Ep. 1864

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The Coach Jokes episode turns NFL coaches into comic characters while the hosts make playoff start decisions.

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You know, their defense, the Bears over the last six weeks, 23rd against opposing quarterbacks, 30th against wideouts, 20th against tight ends. Fanon has been into the end zone the last two weeks, top 10 tight end for the last two weeks. To me, you know, if you're not dissuaded by the cold here, I don't see what other reason you shouldn't like Fanon. I mean, the last three weeks for Fanon, a 33% target share, 22, 29. And I think those are, is Sanders at three starts? Let me just. Yeah, so Chatur has started three games and then over that span, Harold Fanner is averaging, let me pull it up, a 28% target share. Yeah, I think he's a must start. He is for me. I wonder, though, is Chadour going to throw for a 364 and 4 this week? Probably not. I doubt it. I doubt he ever does that again. Ever? Ever. Ever? Ever. Yeah, ever. Quench on Judkins? Yeah.

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Play them with an understanding that, look, the running games, they may be the focal point of this entire matchup. Chasing Jerry Judy's 60-yard touchdown, Jason. No way. The bears are a good matchup for wide receivers. They give up a lot of yards, but I'm not going to go into my playoffs relying on Jerry Judy. No, you cannot make me do that. Not when you can rely on Justin Jefferson. I mean, he had, okay, three for 76 this last week and a good matchup. I know. I agree. Prior to that. three for 26, one for 39, three for 21. Wait, are you reading Jefferson's lines? No, no, no, Jefferson's is much lower. That's, that's true. But if I read back far enough, you'll see that one of those players is good. There's, there's no, like you can, I think what Mike is insinuating with this sound is just that Jerry Judy could have a good game. Yes. But I don't think any of us are going to, with all the options, you have a wide receiver.

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turn that direction. He's the perfect guy where it's like, if I'm deciding between Jerry Judy or Mike Evans, I'm going Mike Evans. Jerry Judy or DJ Moore. I'll play DJ Moore. See? That's where that's what I'm saying. Like there is a line where Jerry Judy comes into play. Okay. You got a good line. What's your answer, Jason? I think I would go Judy there. I mean, DJ Moore. You love him. Stop. Baltimore, six and seven. Don't. Cincinnati, four and nine. I got to be on guard now. Vegas line, Baltimore minus two and a half, over under, 52 and a half. My goodness. It's a great over under. It's the second highest over under ever for a Ravens Bengals game. Lamar's a start of the week. Both of these teams, like, if Baltimore loses this game, their playoff chances go to 12%. Yep.

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If Cincinnati loses this game, their season's over. Yep. If Cincinnati loses, they're pie in the sky. It collapses. The Ravens would jump to 48% to make the playoffs and drop to 12 if they lose. The Bengals on the year right now have a 21 points. I don't know how to say this. A 21 point better point differential? Yeah, that worked. So then the Bengals too, which is crazy. Man, this game. we'll have a lot of fantasy value. And we might have T. Higgins back in it. I still don't think he'll be cleared, but it's possible. Yeah. And if he's out, Yosevosh is, you can play him. I know Tinsley got the targets. I really think Gisiki is the one I want a focal point on. I focus on. I would agree. I would agree with, you can't put him in a wide receiver position. I would agree that when, when Higgins is out, Gassiki takes a massive leap forward. But there are certain teams I really don't.

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I don't chase tight ends against. Baltimore is one of them. Baltimore is absolutely one of the. Baltimore Eagles, like there's teams that they just give up nothing to tight ends. Okay, that's fair. And then Andrews and likely we love them both because, I mean, listen to these numbers. The Bengals give up. It's enough to say, okay, you're the worst in the league. We already know that. We've been saying it. But just look at the true. They give up 25 fantasy points a game. It's half PPR. It's pronounced worst. Correct. We could have an hour-long podcast just talking about crazy statistics of the Bengals guarding tight ends. Yeah, I mean, 25 fancy points a game. We are in week 15, folks. We've been doing this for a long time. You have, that is what you settled in as your average. Yeah. And it's not the last six weeks. The last six weeks, they give up 24.8, but also on the year they give up 24.8.

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It's so incredible. They also haven't played any of the top five tight ends. So if you're like, oh, well, they must have played McBride and Kelsey and Ferguson and Warren and Bowers. No, none of them. No, that's schedule adjusted. So how many points? That's Jackson Hawes fantasy points. How many points on average? 24.8. Trey McBride is the tight end won right now on the season. And in a half point. format he's averaging 14 and a half points yeah i mean it is there's room this is why you can play likely as well yeah there's room for two here both of them are are definite plays um you know whether i don't know if i buy into the uh you know any must start zay flowers discussion here i think he had a nice week he's they flowers does have nice weeks he's startable he is startable but i would prefer to look elsewhere i i

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It's very difficult to throw to a wide receiver position. I would play flowers. When the tight ends are wide open. And that's really only. Oh, no, definitely Justin Jefferson. I would play Flowers. Oh, that's, yeah. I mean, that sounded like two guys that really want to bet that. I would bet Justin Jefferson versus eight flowers. No problem. I would do that too. Sweet. Water bet. It sounds like a joke when I say the tight ends are so open that you can't throw to wide receivers because you only have one ball. But that's what's happened so far this year. The Bengals defense is terrible. They're top five basically against wide receivers because all the points go to the tight end. It should be real good for Derek Henry here. Like the way that the Lamar Jackson situation for me gets turned on its head and he's not a start of the week is because I think Henry could have one of those games. Like the 203 type of game.

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This is not a good rushing defense in Cincinnati. And it is a high over-under, and I'm excited for this game. It should be awesome. Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Chase Brown, they're in your lineup. Yep. Chase Brown, we've got to hope we get some more snaps than that last week was, you know, that was a lot of P-Rine, and hopefully it was the game script. It was, you know, Chase Brown still came through with multiple touchdowns. He remains, I think, a strong start. The Los Angeles Chargers at 9 and 4 go to Arrowhead to take on the desperate chiefs. Who have a six win, seven loss record. You're just trying to sneak him in now? The Vegas line is Kansas City minus five and a half. This over and under is just 41.5. With a win, the playoffs become a 93% certainty. For the Chargers. For the Chargers. With a loss, 60%.

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Now, I was looking up the Kansas City Chiefs playoff projections with Mike earlier, and I did not realize. Mike, do you have the outlook for the Chiefs? Because it blew my mind. I was like, okay, so, you know, all these teams are like if they win, they go to 67% to 90% to whatever. This is from NFL.com, a piece they put out on a couple days ago. The Chiefs right now in their... analysis are they have a 10% chance to make the playoffs right now as it stands should they win that will jump to 16% if they lose it's sub one if they win the game they're at 16% chance well the big thing for them is I feel like obviously this is their season this one game because you play you play Tennessee you're going to win that game you play Denver at home you got a good chance you play the Raiders you're going to win that game do you can do all of that

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and still not make the playoffs because you need help. So this game is everything for the chiefs. What's your feel? Who's winning? I think the chiefs win the game. Yeah, I mean, they're five and a half point favorites. I think it'll be a dog fight. I don't know if we're super happy with the fantasy production. Is this like a almost upset situation or? I mean, the chiefs are favored by five and a half. So if I believe the chiefs are going to win and they're favored, that can't be an upset. Well, but you think they're going to cover that five and a half?

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Where are you? Wait, you were changing the rules of this thing? No, I'm sorry. There's nobody upsetting anybody here. But, but Kansas City is, I think they'll handle their business. I mean, it's just going to be a tough one. Like Herbert didn't play that well last week. That was another dog fight. They went to overtime. That's Eagles. Yeah, but I mean, the chiefs are a great defense as well. They're top 10 against quarterbacks. They're number two against running backs over the last six weeks. Not lately. But a cold game at home in Arrowhead with your season on the line. I expect the Chiefs to show up and play some bully ball. I expect you to tell me which Chiefs I can start. You can start Rushy Rice. I'm not too worried about a down game. And I also think you can start Cream Hunt. Lately, you've been able to run on the Chargers. They're more of a run funnel type of team. And you're talking about a guy who just...

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finds his way into the end zone. 24 rushing touchdowns over the last three season. That is two more than Christian McCaffrey. That's as many as Sequin Barclay. Left an ass off again. Did I? Yeah, you said the last three season. Yeah, you did. No, I don't believe it. Yeah, you can't pluralize anything, man. Heck the tape. You suck at pluralizing. Oh, apparently. Oh, man. Words are hard. I'm sorry, you suck at pluralize. Yeah. So you believe in Cream Hunt this game? Would you play him over Chris Rodriguez? I think I would. Yeah, I mean, it's tough because Kareem Hunt is obviously splitting, but he gets the touchdown opportunities. I mean, he's got a touchdown. I'm looking at the game log here. I think it's five of six. It's five of the last six games with a touchdown. Hmm. Interesting. Hampton. Did we like what we saw in the first game back? Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah. I test. He looked great.

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I do believe that Vidal says soon will be, I think this is a timeshare for the remainder of the season. I don't think Hampton's going to simply take over. Hampton is the more playable one. I think that touchdown upside does go to him. But Vidal is, he's not out of like a flex type of a play. You do wonder. We'll double flex. You wonder with Hampton back and Vidal playing well. If the recipe will be more of what we saw last week, which is both of those guys got a lot of opportunities. But that also meant Ladd-McConkey, Quentin Johnston, Keenan Allen, Orande Gadsden. They did nothing. Now, I know, again, it was Philly. It was the matchup. But this has a low over under. Like, I do see a world where these aren't good options this week. I was making a prize pick lineup. Oh my gosh, I did it again. That wasn't a joke. What's wrong with my brain? He just said he made a prize pick lineup.

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What are you doing? Anyways, I don't know, man. I don't know. I'm still under the weather, okay? I'm pushing through. I'm, I'm being a warrior. I've never heard of a, I'm being a warrior. I got sick and now I just drop my asses. What are you? Anyways, it's making what are price picks line up? Doctor, what are the symptoms? Runny nose. Your chest might be a little tight. And I haven't been able to pluralize for a few days. I've been dropping my asses. This is amazing. It's amazing because you just couldn't come up with this. I don't. I don't even. No. This is not. This is real. This is not something you can make up. I need a scan. I need to go get an MRI apparently. The part of my brain. The part is the S is. It's just not firing. Doc, you check the S part of the brain. Uh, I'll be on guard for the rest of this show. Anyway, I will too. I'm going to speak like this. So I make sure if I'm talking about cups.

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I say cups. Anyways, I was making my prize picks lineup. Uh-huh. And I looked at the projection. And for receptions, for Ladd, for Qge, for Keenan, they were all two and a half. Oh. And I was like. Yeah, that's how it feels. I don't know if I. And I didn't take any of those. No, I'll go Jefferson over all those guys. Yeah, it's, that's, uh. And I might play Judy over everybody but lad. If you want to get into the, I don't know why Judy became the like... Because the upside is large this week for Judy, but it's disgusting. Because he's... Because the downside is always there, even in good matchups. Yes. Yeah, it's wild. And then that takes Herbert off the board from me. And I think there's... I think there is nervousness around Mahomes in this game, too. Because last week was such a bad game. Over the last six weeks, the Chargers are number one in fantasy points given up against...

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quarterback. Would you play Jacoby, the machine Berset against Houston, or would you play Mahomes? No, I would, I don't really want to play Jacoby either, but there are plenty of people I would play. I'd play DART, I'd play Pertie, I'd definitely play Stafford, I'd play Marioota. Over Mahomes. Yeah, we're getting into it. Let's take a break. More matchups, including the future Super Bowl champs. With the U.S. Bank's Smartly Visa signature card, you earn an unlimited 2% cashback on every purchase. That's right, every purchase. 2% cash back at restaurants, 2% cashbacks at the gym, which you'll need to burn off those restaurant calories. Groceries? Yep, you'll earn 2% cash back on those two. New tires, new outfits, New York City getaway, all earn 2% cash back.

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I will say this. If New England handles their business in this game, it will be a real solidifying moment for MVP Drake May. I think this is the kind of game that, like he's already up there, but this is the kind of game that really puts you, it solidifies you, right? If you go to 12 and 2, dominant control of the division, right? Because if Buffalo wins this game, they're 10 and 4, you're 11 and 3. The division's still wide open. You win this game. It's not anymore. You're in the driver's seat, and your MVP is Drake May to me. Buffalo, however, despite not leading the division, despite not being at home, they are one and a half point favorites in the game. The over-under is 49 and a half. I think we said on the show two days ago that New England was favored. I don't think that was true. I think Buffalo has been at one and a half. The remaining schedule, the Patriots play the Ravens next week, then the Jets and Dolphins.

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Buffalo plays Cleveland, then the Eagles, than the Jets. So it'll be really close, but this is a big one. 49.5 point over under. You love to see that. This game should be awesome. I cannot wait. I can't wait either. I see it differently than you, Andy. I would take the Patriots in this one. This is a team that is at home. Buffalo has not traveled super well. recently. You look at Josh Allen and, you know, at home against Cincinnati, the quarterback one. On the road, the two previous weeks, quarterback 14 and 22, at home against Tampa Bay, the quarterback won. It's just like, you know, on the road against Miami doesn't get to 20 fantasy points. And this, this team has, I mean, obviously, it's Josh Allen, it's the Bills. They're a great team. They can beat anyone and they can show up and be awesome, but they haven't been as consistent.

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as i would want them to have been over the last couple months it kind of feels like a which version of the bills are showing up and i know that the schedule's been just to say it's cake is it's not sweet enough the the schedule for the patriots is basically no one the only team that they've beat of note is this bill's team um but still the way they're playing their rush defense has been so violent so hardcore and the fact that they're at home and they're playing a team in the bills that when the bills really, really win, it's this season, it's been the running game that's done it. I think it'll be, it's going to be a lot of fun. I mean, the bill's defense, what it has done all year long is stop the quarterback from scoring a lot of fantasy points. I don't know if that makes anybody stop playing Drake May this week, but it does put him in a vulnerable position in the first week of your fantasy playoffs. Yeah. Because he's played well and I imagine you're going to play him.

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But the bills on the year, 11.8 fantasy points given up to quarterbacks. That's schedule adjusted and only 13 in the last six weeks. He's definitely one of the scariest plays this week because he's in 100% of lineups. Like that's why it's scary. He's played so well. You do not bench him. No, you have to play both these guys. But you can see how it ends up poorly. Is this not like an island game? I don't think so. No. Shame on your NFL. This should be, I want to, this is just a shame that it's in the one o'clock sleep. Josh Allen, Drake May, playing both. James Cook, Trayvion Henderson. Yeah. Are you still confident in Hendo? I'm, he's getting opportunities. I'm pretty confident. I will say, I mean, if you just look at the snap counts, they did go up for Romandre last week. Yes, they did. That's why I'm, he went from 31% in his first week back to 58%. This is a dog fight game. This is to protect Drake May game.

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I would expect it to be about 50-50 and you're going to need a big play from Trebo. But the Bill's rush defense giving up 25 a game gives me enough confidence to definitely put him in my lineup. Especially I'd play them over the kind of like the couple of the names we brought up like the Chris Rodriguez and stuff. He's my running back 14 this week. So I'm very confident that he'll break a couple big runs and have a good game. Really haven't had anything out of Stefan Diggs in the last two weeks. He's also playing the lowest snaps of the year. I don't know if you saw that or been tracking it. I didn't realize that. Under 50% the last two weeks. Interesting. Keisham Booty, ironically, came back the last two weeks. So the rotation that they built without Booty in the lineup, Diggs is paying the price a little bit for Booty's return because Booty's playing 75 to 80%. Yeah, I will remind.

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us of what I mentioned yesterday, which is coming out of the by week, Stefan Diggs has massive bonuses on, you know, his catches and yardage coming up. And also, this is like one of those revenge games where against Buffalo, like they played once before and he goes, was 12 targets, 10 receptions for 146 yards against Buffalo. He's going to be up for this one. So you'd play him? Yeah, I like Diggs. I like Booty Moore. I think I'd play. Booty. Kishon Booty, that is. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, I was going to take booty. But if you mean Kishon, I'll go digs. Jason, where is Josh Jacobs ranked for you this week? Terrifying. Breaking news. LaFleur says Josh Jacobs is unlikely to practice today. It's Thursday. It's Thursday. Do they play Monday? Tell me they play Monday. Someone tell me they play Monday. I don't think so.

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someone look it up i'm gonna double check that one you have the power i can't my hands don't work uh no they're the afternoon game for us he's he's been battling through it quote we'll see and it's against denver and Denver right i need you got uh you got a manual wilson on the bench right oh no no i don't who has him is it mike no i don't oh man all right no your opponent No. No. Yeah? Yeah. No. No. Your opponent has Emmanuel Wilson. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hate fantasy football so much. Josh, Josh Jacobs, I need you. Oh, no. I need you to. Look, this is a good, this is a good thing. This is a good thing. This is a good thing. What? They know how much into the mirror. They know how much they need Josh Jacobs this week.

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He's got to get a little extra rest as he's working through. This is great news. Sir, this is a Wendy's. This is great news. John Jacobs, I'm moving him up. I'm moving him up. They are resting him for massive workload. Massive workload. He's never going to have more work than this week. You saw the quote though, right? No, I haven't seen the quote. He's been battling through it. We'll see on whether he'll play this week. No, no, no. Coach jokes. Coach jokes. There's a good one on the floor. Hashton coach jokes. I'm just goofing. I'm joking. Oh my gosh, you have to play Joshua. Ah. Oh, man. Okay. Just letting you sit in. This is the first time in, uh, at what show is this? Thousand something. My hands are sweating. Oh, no. Right now.

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Oh, I feel. Oh, no. Show 1864. Need a burf bag? Both hand. That one was on purpose. Oh, my goodness. Sorry to break in there. We're not playing Buffalo Whiteouts, right? No. Do they have them? I mean, if you did play one, you played Khalil Shakir. Sure. He shows up in bigger games, but yeah, it's Dalton Kincaid. I don't have the stat in front of me, but when Dalton Kincaid is playing, he basically accounts for like 40% of their yards, receiving. Wow. Also who my opponent has. Well, Don't Concade? Yeah. I'm saying, I'm, he's going to find that fishing well any day. I was going to say if there are fishing rod recommendations, because I'm not a fisherman. No, I don't have one. So I need to purchase a rod. So if you want to just let me know what a good.

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Option is out there. A lot of good local wells around here to catch fish if you need to get in there. Yeah. The Washington commanders at 3 and 10 take on the 2 and 11 New York Giants. This is the most implied points that the Giants have had all year, 25, because it's a is a Giants by two and a half game over under a 47 and a half? Commanders have quietly been one of the worst defenses in the NFL. They don't get enough credit. Like we talk about the Cowboys. We talk about the Bengals. And we always, you know, say, oh, this is a good matchup for this or that. But, like, they're terrible. They're downright to trust. And not to just beat the dead horse. Like, that's my concern with Jefferson is the Washington is terrible. And Jefferson and J.J. McCarthy got it done. Jefferson did not. No, it's a very fair concern. But back to this game. Giants have lost seven in a row. The Washington commanders have lost eight in a row.

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Someone has to win. Part of me thinks that, you know, Giants keep losing. Dan Quinn, they've dealt with a lot of injuries, but Dan Quinn hits me a little bit like Doug Peterson. When he gets to a team, it's powerful. He moves, you know, these guys to play hard for him, but it slows down. And the defense is supposed to be his calling card. It hasn't been good. Jackson, Archer, start of the week, Mike, Marcus Mariotta, five top ten fantasy finishes over the last two years, despite only starting six games. He is. He's in play this week. When you look at Mahomes, you can see how it goes really, really bad. I don't see how Mario does put up 15 fancy points, 20 fancy points. So both of these guys in play. Chris Rodriguez, we've talked about it at length. If he plays, I'm playing him. Devin Singletary on the other side, two top 12 finishes in three games. It's interesting. Yeah, the split with Tyrone Tracy is really...

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seemingly like a 50-50 split. Both guys get a lot of work. You've got Tyrone Tracy was injured. He had the hip injury. We don't know because they were on by exactly how bad it is. It sounded like it was not really that big a deal. It does make me put Devin Singletary in ahead of Tyrone Tracy. I would order it that way. But I don't view it as Singletary is a must play because Tracy's just injured. I think it's going to be a timeshare. Yeah, I would prefer Singletary. Other decisions in the game, Theo Johnson, Mike started the week at Tide-in. We'll see if Ben Sinat gets an opportunity. And you got Debo and- Better Sanat say that again. Yeah, I thought it was Senate. Yeah, it is for you. I have- Is it not? I thought it's Senate. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's Senate. Yeah, I'm fair. We looked that up once. Remember when we used to be able to talk about him? I loved Ben. I think that's why we call him the senator. Well, also because he's from Washington.

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