Week 4 Matchups + TNF Pain, Wheel of Shame - Fantasy Football Podcast for 9/27

Austin Echler there. You want to play Daniels, you know, even Terry McLaurin after the big matchup with a 50 point over under, you're thinking this could be two bad defenses and two good offenses and a real barn burner in a controlled environment in a dome. So, you know, hopefully it's not a trap. I don't think it can be too big of a trap with Washington's defense. The Cardinals defense has been much better than their talent in the sense that, you know, they're not a talented. personnel group, but, you know, their top schedule adjusted right now. They're number four in fantasy points given up to running backs this season. They did, however, lose a defensive lineman, which sucks for the Cardinals and is good for fantasy. You got Daniels or Joe Burrough this week. Daniels. I love Burroughs matchup. I do. On the road against Carolina. I'm going to take Joe Burrow. Okay. Yeah. The James Connor and Brian Robinson are locks. Yes.

Marvin Harrison, he was dealing with a quad injury, limited in practice. We expect him out there and his receiving lines at almost 70. So, you know, those are kind of the locks. Trame McBride is going to miss this game. Where do those targets go? Yeah, that's a tough one. I mean, I think you could take like DFS dart throws on Michael Wilson. That's where I would go. But Elijah Higgins is the bottom of the barrel backup tight-in pass catcher. Yeah, so nasty. But Elijah Higgins did catch a touchdown in week one. He was the one that caught that ridiculous scrambling, Kyler Murray. Like the one play where McBride was off the field. And it goes to the tight end. Hey, he caught the ball. Yeah, he was great. No, no, I'm saying like, I'm complaining. What about Terry McLaurin or the aforementioned Darnell Mooney? Oh, my gosh. I'm going to go with Terry. Yeah, I lean that way too. Any other questions from this game you want to bring up before we move on? Nope.

The Patriots are one and two. They take on the one and two San Francisco 49ers. But the 49ers at home, D.K. has it at, I mean, San Francisco, 10.5 point favorites with an over under of just 40 and a half points, which means New England. New England, you've set a new record. 15 as your implied point total. Congratulations. So, you know, let's just start on the New England side. I have. decisions in a league where it's like, I've got Ramandre. He was great for two weeks. He was an unmitigated disaster last week. This matchup is awful. And everything that they want to do to win a game, they're not going to be able to do in this one. I'm playing Chuba Hubbard over Ramandre this week as an example. Yeah, I think Chuba is a pretty good play. So I don't blame you there. I don't view Ramondre as someone that you must bench.

Last week was an albatross. They got destroyed by the Jets. Everything went wrong. The Jets' pass rush was in Jacoby. So far, are you describing this game? I'm not describing this game. The Niners also lost the defensive linemen for the season this last week. So we'll see how that affects their pass rush and their defensive line. I'm not saying Romandre is a great play against the 49ers, but I don't want people to overreact from last. week probably smart uh pollard against miami or remandre in this game i would go pollard there uh carson steel i would go steel who okay how low do i have to get till you you you are that feels pretty pretty bearish on remandre there yeah i mean i i i think i'm not carson steel over romandre mike are you in that camp i don't know it romander is so confusing to me of like week one

It felt like a really big surprise. And then as the season has gone along, the Cincinnati Bengals defense, you go, oh, yeah, that makes sense why Romandre looked so good. The Seattle one is confusing because their defense has been okay. I mean, they're pretty padded right now because they kicked the crap out of Miami with Skylo Thompson. But he was, you know, 21 carries 81 yards, 3.9 a carry. It's okay. You know how many fumbles he has? Romandre? Yeah. Oh, no. One per game. Oh, no. That's supposed to be his teammates thing. He's lucky that Uncle Bill is out of town. That's Gibson's. You might want to throw Gibson on a bench. Yeah. Because the punishment could be on the way. Ask me Ramondre or DeAndre Swift. We got there, baby. Remandre. All right. So we're not starting any other, any other Patriots, right? I think so. It.

Pay attention to Pop Douglas, DeMario Douglas. They finally got him back involved after the weird two weeks. I'm not saying play him. I'm not saying play him. I won't watch. Jay, you know people have to play more than 24 wide receivers. Yeah, yeah, I know. And he's not going to crack that. You can't just say only play the top 24 guys. No, I know. There's plenty of players below the top 24 that I'll start over Patriot wide receivers. Ray Ray Ray McLeod, order to Mario Douglas. that would be Pop Douglas if you're going that low. But if it was like DeMarcus Robinson, I'd be playing to Marcus Robinson. You already heard it's discussed the wide receiver situation on San Francisco earlier, where, you know, Joanne Jennings, he's a flex. If it's just Kittal and Nodibo, he's probably a high risk player, but I don't think he's a full guaranteed bench. Like I'm playing Joanne Jennings over to Mario Douglas, regardless of...

the amount of active 49er White House because Debo can leave early. Debo could be limited. Juan Jennings had 175 yards and caught everything thrown his way last week. And this is not the first good game of the season for him. So I think Jennings is right on that cusp anyways. Jordan Mason, the rushing line is ridiculous. It's 84 and a half. It's the second week in a row that he has the highest rushing line of any running back. Yeah, but he didn't get there last week. No, he did not get. He only got 77. He didn't get to 90. Right. Yeah, no. He didn't hit his line. That was a surprising game where they lost to the Rams in L.A. Is there any chance that they lose here to the Patriots? Nah, man. I would say no, but I would have said no. Maybe Drake May comes in and no.

He's fire. What was that sound? It was like a fire whip. It was a fire. Yeah, it was a whip made of fire. Drake May coming into a game on the road in San Francisco's your fire whip. That's not a fire whip. That's not where I want him to come in. Brock Purdy, second most passing yards in the league. And we're hoping Brandon Ayu gets going this week because if he doesn't, the panic will get going. Purdy was full awesome last week. He looked amazing. The way he navigated the pocket is so elite. I really, really liked what you saw. And he threw the three touchdowns to Jennings. I think he's a decent start. Is he your starting quarterback this week in League of Record? He is not. I am playing Gino's ahead of him. Would you play? Okay, so Gino's ahead. Would you go Brock Purdy against the Patriots or Jared Gough against Seattle? Goff. I like that Seattle. You're playing Gino against Detroit? Yeah. Cleveland's one. You would play Brock. My worry here with Brock, and obviously it's, Brock has been great at his touchdown percentage.

But my worry is simply if this game that has a 10.5 point over under gets out of control and they run the ball a lot. Second most passing yards in football. Yeah. Cleveland's 1 and 2, Las Vegas. And they get to play each other in a game of football this week in Las Vegas. The Draft Kings Sportsbook line, Raiders minus 1 and a half, the overrunner. Oh, blar. Oh, blar. Sorry. It's a blarf. 37. Because we've got, we've got problems here in this game. On both sides, you have right now, statistically speaking, Deshaun Watson is one of the worst quarterbacks in football combined with the most sacks given up in football by this offensive line. That is now going to be without Jack Conklin. They have injuries throughout this roster. On the other side, you still have a banged up Max Crosby. You had one of the worst defensive performances I've ever seen.

last week by Las Vegas. They did nothing. And so the expectation here from the Raiders hometown is that this is a very low-scoring game. You've got Jerome Ford that has been dealing with any injury that's expected to play. And then, you know, on the other side, you've had no running backs that you can trust. Talk to me about what you're, where are the starts in this game? Is it a Mario Cooper? Yeah. Brock Bowers. Mari Cooper, Brock Bowers, Devonte Adams. Who's dealing with a hamstring. If Max Crosby is playing the Las Vegas Raiders defense, dude, I mean, you mentioned it. Deshawn Watson's leading the league in sacks taken, but it's 19. He's taken, we're, there's only been three games. He's taken over six a game. That's insane. So, yeah, I mean, I don't trust them. I don't.

You don't trust the Raiders? I don't trust the Raiders defense. Oh, I get that. I mean, but the sacks that Deshaun Watson takes. Because Crosby is hurt, man. No, I get. I mean, if Crosby's not active, certainly not. Even if he's active, I don't think he's healthy. I don't think the Brown's offense is healthy. Like above the shoulders. I mean, Max Crosby played last week. They gave him 36 points. They didn't get to the quarterback. I'm just saying my perspective on it. I don't trust it right now. Maybe it's because I. played them everywhere. Well, they weren't expecting Andy Dalton to be so good. There's just so many other defenses I trust this week. Both sides of the Rams Bears game, I would trust far more. But the lower, under, I mean, look, you're right. In that respect, maybe the upside's protected. Right now, if it was like the Carolina Panthers at home against the Browns, I feel like I would play that defense. Just a home crowd against what Deshaun Watson's putting on film, there should be some picks and there definitely will be some sacks.

And I just don't expect the Browns will score a lot against anybody. Marty Cooper's line is sitting at 51.5 receiving yards. He bounced back in a big way. He should be playing his former team and he has a lock in your lineup. But Zameer White and Alexander Madison, bleh. I mean, it's just nasty. What are you talking about? Alexander Madison is a touchdown in three straight weeks. If Adams missed, who do you take their shot with? Is it Trey Tucker after the seven for 96 and a touchdown? Is it Jacoby Myers? I think it's Brock Bowers. Well, he's in your lineup, but who would you take a shot at with wide receiver? Between those two, I would go, Jacoby. Troy Tucker's just, he's a watch right now. Yeah. All right, the Kansas City Chiefs at 3 and 0 take on the Los Angeles Chargers, two and one. Chiefs are seven point road favorites. That's shocking to me, considering how the Chargers have played. It is not to me. Really? No, it is not. I like, this is not even in contention for an almost upset.

The Chargers are undermanned right now. They have a quarterback that may or may not play, and if he plays, he's hurt. They lost Derwin James to a suspension on the defensive side of the football, which is catastrophic. They have an implied point total of 16 and a half. I mean, Alt is hurt, right? Yeah, Joe Alt is banged up, like to me, and Rashon Slater, like neither of them practice. To me, this is, this is going to be a pretty easy game for the Chiefs to control. This should be. the for sure get right game for Travis Kelsey. Kelsey always destroys the Chargers. No Derwin James is monstrous for the one week's suspension where I feel like if Kelsey can't get it going this week, you start to really hit the red alarm. But I think he has a big get right game. I love the part of the tight end landscape right now where if a guy doesn't get it going, the real answer is you have no options, just keep playing them. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's the truth.

I mean, you just traded for Mark Andrews this week, who scored zero points. Yes, I did. So hopefully he gets it going. If he doesn't, he's still your tight in probably. But I hope, I mean, I think it will happen. I think he needs to get into shape. Do we, like injuries aside, do we get to find out anything about the Chargers here? Because they have played the Raiders and Gardner Minshew. They've played Carolina and Bryce Young. They played Pittsburgh, which they lost. to Pittsburgh and Justin Fields. I mean, these are, those are not three offenses that I would put in the high flying category. Somebody asked me on Twitter the other day. I don't know if the chiefs are there right now. Why we ever talk about last year's defensive numbers two or three weeks into the season. That is why is because two or three games does not define your entire defensive performance on the year. Chargers are fifth against quarterbacks, eighth against running backs, seventh against wide receivers. Like, as of right now.

This is a shutdown defense. And to be fair, I think those numbers would stay perfect if they played Gardner Minshu, Bryce Young, and Justin Fields every week. I just don't think they can put up the points in this game to possibly control it, which means, you know, obviously Mahomes, Rashi Rice, who's one of the best wide receivers in football right now, who's got a receiving line of 75 and a half yards. That makes sense. Those guys are in. Worthy is not trustworthy right now. No. And the running back room is. frightening. Super frightening. I mean, Carson Steele. We did watch their officer coordinator talking about the running back rotation and he came out and said that they were very pleased with the workload that Carson had and his performance and that they don't know yet what they have in Cream Hunt. They've got to see him at practice. That leads me to believe that this week Carson Steele is the player I would play. I think he'll get 15 rushing opportunities in a game where you're favored by a touchdown. I think he's okay to play.

Yeah, last week he finished as the running back 33, 17 carries, 72 yards, 4.2 a carry. Had opportunities at the goal line. I honestly think you'll be happy if he gets in this week, and you might be a little bit disappointed if he doesn't, but he should have a chance. J.K. Dobbins, no offensive lineman, maybe no quarterback, maybe too much for him to handle in this week against a defense that we know so far this year has been shutting down the run. Yeah. What do you do if you're the, what's their defensive coordinator's name? for goodness sakes for the chief. Speggs? If you're Spags, what's the game plan right here? Stop, J.K. Dobbins? It's Dobbins, right? And the game plan for the Chargers is ball control and running. Yeah, it's going to be very difficult for them to run. But they've, you know, they've succeeded a handful of times. Dobbins has looked good on the season. I think it'll be difficult to straight bench him, depending on what your other options are. But you don't expect the big game here. I think I'm a bench the Chargers. Oh, it's good.

I'm playing JK. Like for most teams, I think if you have Dobbins, you're in a situation where you're probably forced to play him. The other question I was going to ask. Yeah, you're probably right. Not bench the whole team. Dobbins is probably in. Is there a league format? I'll go to Jason on this one. Can Ladd-McConkie be sneaky at all just for a floor? Quentin Johnson's probably going to get the treatment that the number one wide receivers have been getting so far from the Chiefs, and Lad will be operating in the middle of the field. Yeah, I mean, he's better to me than Pop Douglas. So if you want to go that low and you're saying, oh, you've got to play more than 36 wide receivers in a league, then, okay, he is a quality player who I still think Herbert plays this week. They're going to be down. They're going to be needing to throw the ball. If you don't get a touchdown, you're not going to have a great game from him. And you don't expect a touchdown in this matchup. So he's just a full PPR.

middling startable player, but he's talented. The reason I'm... 44 yards is his peak so far through three weeks. The reason I'm not... Yeah, but they've been in tight, slow running games. If they really are down, if you think, you know, you wouldn't even take the almost upset here, they're going to probably have to throw the ball a little bit more in this game. I just, I believe in the coaching staff. Harba says never. Herbert, yes, true. Herbert is, you know, a good quarterback banged up. At home, man, in a divisional game, I just don't see the Chiefs getting completely, like, trouncing them in this one. But different perspectives. All right. We're going to take a break. Come back with some more games. Sunday night football, Buffalo, Baltimore. This is fun. Or so we're promised and hoped for. Draft King's Sportsbook line Baltimore minus two and a half at home. That's not surprising to me. They're, you know.

Got to defend the home turf over under is 46 and a half. So this is only the fourth time, believe it or not, that we've ever seen Allen versus Lamar in their entire career. Lamar has not thrown for a lot of passing yards in the previous matchups. And this game, you know, Buffalo's defense has been one of the more interesting and surprising storylines to begin the year. They've been really, really good, especially stopping quarterbacks from producing the quarterbacks and wide receivers so far this year. 11 fantasy points per game given up, or actually 12 to quarterbacks and only 18 to wide receiver rooms, which makes, you know, a middling wide receiver room like the Ravens almost, just hyper scary. Yeah, I mean, you're probably going to still throw Zay Flowers in there. You know, if we're talking about guys like Ladd McConkey, he's certainly well above that just in a target pecking order in a game that could actually score points.

You've got Mark Andrews as the other receiving option, which the, you know, you've got the bills who both this season. Is he receiving? His line is 29 and a half yards. They're like, hey, 30 yards. You think he can do it? You want to, you want to bet that? You just, all he needs is 30. This is John Harbaugh. What have you done? I, you know. Snake. Throw the ball to mark. Last year, the bills were a defense that you targeted against tight end. This year they are the same. I mean, I'm, I traded for him. I am playing him. If you have him, you're playing him. A top 10 search. I don't know if you are. A top 10 search. I don't know if you have him. You're playing him. I mean, there's been guys picked up. Jake Ferguson, Colquamette. Those were guys that are on those rosters. Just going to say a top 10 search on our start sit tool right now is Mark Andrews or Cole command. Yeah, of course it is. Yeah, that would be for me, Mark Andrews. Like that I'm not going to pivot away yet, but.

To each her own. I don't think you have to feel the pain indefinitely. I think if you have them, you can bench him. You can let him recover and not go through it. If you don't want to go through it again, this is a game where you make that choice. 29 receiving yards will not get it done. No. So I hope he recovers. I'm rooting for Jason to be right. I've also come out and said I think he's the same player. But the offense is not the same. Yeah. When we watch the film, of Kelsey and Andrews. I feel like Kelsey looks a little bit slower. One guy's putting in maximum effort. Right. The other guy's kind of- Mark Andrews sometimes. Balled out last week. Like he, for NFL for his team. Not helpful for fantasy whatsoever, but he was awesome. Do you think Isaiah likely is a good player? Do you think he's an athletic, good tight-in? Yes. Well, we saw that, right? In week one, 12 targets, nine for 100 and whatever yards and a touchdown. The last two weeks, Isaiah likely.

Nobody's saying Isaiah likely's career's over that Isaiah likely has no talent. He isn't athletic and he's lost a step. Three total catches for 30 yards in two weeks. It's the fact that the offense can flip a switch and decide to run the football with Derek Henry to dump it down to Justice Hill to find Rashad Bateman, who was running in the slot last week for the first time that we've seen in ever. So they are turning different dials and I just don't like that you can turn the tight end dial off. in Baltimore. It makes me sad. It does because they've always been a tight-end first system where the one dial that they never turn off was tight-end receptions. And it looked that way even week one, even though it wasn't Andrews, it was like they're still this team. And they could be in this game. We're saying that they could be. I believe they will be. In this game against this specific matchup where the wide receivers have been locked down, I believe that this will be a tight-end game. Josh Allen?

Lamar Jackson, they're your locks, James Cook, Derek Henry, they're locked. Yep. And at wide receiver update, update, guys, because I just went to, I don't know, maybe do something. Mark Andrew's line has moved to 30 and a half. Oh, yeah. 30's not getting it done anymore. No, no. You need more. More mid, more mid trade, like mid show trades that you're doing over there. Oh, no. Just, I like, I like that line. So. Okay. I believe that this is a get right game for Kelsey and Andrews. That's good because if you had already placed that, then you'd be put in your mouth where your money is. You know what I mean? Right. And you're not doing it. Now you're trying, you might go put your money where your, where your mouth is. Right. Because that's, you need more than no fantasy points. You need to lose. I want to make sure that when Andrews goes out and lays a turd that I'm.

double on. Yeah, feel that pain. I want to really feel it deep. What if he had been going to bet the under? That would have been the real trip. I mean the happiness. That's the happy hedge. Yeah. All right. Khalil Shakir. I think he is a every week flex right now. I'm in. He's reliable. I'm in on Shakir. He's also. He's caught every target? I've said this before. Impressive. Since before the year, like he is so evidently, so clearly the best most trustworthy receiver. Um, He's playing good football. He's got three weeks where, you know, you're not 11.7 points, 8.1, 16.2. That's flexworthy. Would you play him or Joanne Jennings? Um, with Debo back. With Debo back, I'd go to Shakir. Dalton Kincaid, Jason, your start of the week. Yep. Uh, he's, we, we outlaid, outlaid why on yesterday's episode, but, you know, this.

This appears like a week where tight ends could just kind of come back to life. Oh, don't say that. Well, FERDady, he was just fine. You're saying he started? He started the trend. This is going to be a good tight end week. All right. Jason. You heard it here first. Jason Randle Moore? Yes. Yes, I want the credit. You want the credit. Okay. And you're definitely not. I'm definitely not going to be wrong. We got double Monday night football games again? We do. Oh, baby. I didn't mind it last week. I'm going back to the outback. Tradition. I want to go have a steak or so that's described. Tennessee. Oh, and three. Miami. One and two. Okay. Well, maybe we only have one game. The drafting sportsbook line here, Miami minus one over under is 36 and a half. That's a blurf. Come on, man. I feel like I have something important to say about Miami, which is that.

I am of the belief that Tyree Kill is going to be okay. That's great. So for me, for me, I'm not shipping Tyree Kill away on purpose. Like I'm not going out and shopping him and sending him away. Like, hey, Malik neighbors, sure. If you can get Malik neighbors. But I actually think he's going to be okay. And I think we're living, we have a, we have a season right now where we're seeing the evidence of if you're a good wide receiver, it works out for you. If you're a really good wide receiver, it's worked out for you in terms of the quarterback play. You know, Malik neighbors, a lot of people thought he was dealt the worst hand in football. I will say, he's number one. I will say that the Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, that level of quarterback versus like a Skyler or a true like back up that doesn't belong on the field, I think that's harder to overcome. Like if Skylar was the quarterback,

Which I'm really happy it looks like it's going to be Pro Bowl. Yes, pro bowler, Tyler Huntley. But if Skyler was there, I don't know that Justice Jefferson would have a good game. I'm talking about big picture. I'm talking about beyond a week that Miami and Mike McDaniel, they figure it out. You've got a long season. You have the best wide receiver or one of the top five in the game. You figure out how to get that ball into his hands enough to where I would be trying. If I could get him cheap, I would do it. I'm just. Telling you what I'm doing. Okay, so the the dolphins are at home. They're favored by a point, so it's pretty much a pickup game. Just out of curiosity, who do you think wins this game? I mean, I haven't thought much about that. I think Miami probably wins the game. So this week for Tyree Kill, the line is all the way down to 52 and a half. That makes sense. But just a reminder, he will be most likely facing a lot of Lageria Sneed. Last year,

Tyreek was the wide receiver 29. Trade for him after this week. Yeah, it might be after this week. If I got him, I'm playing him because he's Tyree kill and it just takes the one play. He's got a line 14 yards better than Calvin Ridley on the other side. Where are you guys with Calvin Ridley? After seeing three games in football, week one, not great. Week two, very good. Week three. Where is he? Where's Calvin? I think Calvin Ridley is one of those guys where you got to look at the matchup. I'm still starting Calvin Ridley most weeks. This one, I don't think Jalen Ramsey has really been shadowing. I don't think so. You know, Legerius Sneed helped shut him down last week where they went more towards Hopkins. I'm fine starting Calvin Ridley. I still think he's going to be the number one target. But just like last season, like he is not a...

consistent wide receiver. He's a big play, big game wide receiver. Tony Pollard Devon A. Chan, the running backs in this game. It's a low over under. A. Chan was kind of disappointing last week. So was Tony. Yeah, Tony was very disappointing. They're both still a place to me though. Yeah, I love seeing the DK rushing line at 60 and a half for Devon A. Chan this week. I would have anticipated that being lower. if that's his rushing line, because I think his fantasy points come through the passing game. So if he's got a six point baseline there, if that number is about right, where he should have a very good game. Jason's talked a lot about Will Levis in the pocket, but he's been pressured on the most dropbacks of any quarterback in football. Not if you ask him. I am more. Oh, that's good, Mike. I am much more of an. He has no clue. Like, there were plays last week. Jason was yelling at Will Levis, and it was like,

On the snap, his center was blown by, and the guy's in his face instantaneously. There's nothing you can do. No, there's nothing you can do to avoid a sack. But he doesn't see it. He doesn't start to try. He just gets plowed. Jalen Wattle or Calvin Ridley, if you had to make that choice. Calvin. Yeah, that's where I'd be to. It's Calvin, but not by much. Seattle's 3-0, the other Monday night football game taken on the 2-1 Detroit Lions, the Draft King Sportsbook line, Detroit minus 3 and a half at home. The over-under is 46. Detroit games have hit the under three consecutive times. All the Detroit games have been over 50. This one's at 46. So, you know, the game last week with Arizona, it pretty much hinged on a two-minute warning.