Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - ADP Risers & Fallers + Megatron Rumors

And sure, I'm going to spend a six round pick on that. Yeah, and there's the competition behind him. Shane Verena, I expect to be involved. But Wayne Galman, their rookie, not really worried about the big salad. He's the one who found the ring, right? Yeah. Frodo's ring. Yes. Are you worried about Orleans Darkwell? He's the only one who gives you a question because of the reports that he was taking some first team reps. I don't really know what to make of that. But.

Just going off of the end of the last season, Paul Perkins had had some good games, especially when his first start. He went over 100 yards. Am I remembering that correct? That was the last week of the season, I believe. Over 100 yards in his first start. And he passes the eye test. It's not a great run blocking offense. And you know that they're going to rely on the past game with Beckham and Marshall. But to get his starting running back in the 6th.

They're pretty depleted at that point. Over under four touchdowns for Paul Perkins. Ooh, that's a good line there. That's my big concern with production levels for him. Yeah. I think I would take the over, but it's... It's close. I mean, if you told me over under at five, I'm going to have to push. Are we going to talk about a pair of guys rising and falling together on the same roster. Delvin Cook, rising, Latavius Murray falling. Cook has moved up.

Two whole rounds, pretty much. 22 picks since June 11th. Well, not coincidentally. Latavius Murray has dropped 21 picks. So now Cook is going eighth pick of the fifth round. Murray is going the 12th pick of the seventh round. Mike, you've been very pronounced in your, I would say, resistant support of Latavis Murray. And the opportunity, they did pay him. So what is your take on how this will break down? And are you simply taking the better value on draft A versus the...

you know, the youngster versus the old guy. The only guy I would actually draft would be Cook. And I've talked about during the offseason, I would take Murray ahead of Cook because I feel like what Andy was talking about. They paid him to come in and be the starter. But Latavius Murray still hurt. Dalvin Cook is soaking up the reps. It's the best possible thing for Dalvin Cook is to get a chance to shine, impress.

The coaches, while the presumed starter is just on the side and can't do anything about it, that's how you steal somebody's job. Now, is Dalvin Cook good enough to rise above a really poor offensive line? I'm not sure about that. I think his college tape is great. His college production is incredible. He was one of my favorite running backs coming into this draft class.

And then the combine happened. It's, where he put up these unbelievably bizarre, bad athletic measurables. Now, I'm not going to let that completely taints what I've seen him do against competition. But on that team, I'm not sure that he can get it done. Meanwhile, his ADP is going to continue to rise.

Am I reading that right? He's in the fifth round now. He's in the fifth round. You're choosing him or you're choosing Mike Gilson. Or Eddie Lacey. That's not even close. What about him or Lacey, though? I would, I think I'm going to take Lacey. Yeah, I would take Lacey as well. I do think Cook has the ability to overcome the issues there. Their offensive line is a little bit better than it was last year. And, you know, you could talk measurables all you want. I know.

you know, draft Twitter and fantasy football hardcore fans. Man, we love our analytics and we love our measurables and we love our spark score. But it's like, look, Derek McKinnon is a spark freak. Yeah. He's on that team. He's never done anything with it. And you can say all the time, you know, you can complain, oh, they should have given them the ball more or whatever. You know, Kristen Michael, he's a spark freak. There's plenty of guys that are great, you know, measurable guys who don't get it done. And.

There are plenty of guys that are bad measurables who do get it done. He got it done in college. I think he can. But his ADP is too high right now. He's not going to be the goal line back. I think when Latavius Murray gets there, Latavius is going to be the goal line guy. So now you're relying on breakaway touchdowns, which he can do. But if he's not, you know, a workhorse back in the fifth round as a rookie that you haven't seen before, that's too many question marks for me. Some similar metrics to a guy like Kevin Coleman.

Dalvin Cook matches up pretty well. And it does take, you have to be a running back who can put it together between the years. He's been in that starting role before in college. It's just going to come down to how much opportunity he has to score, like you said. All right, let's talk about another pair, another couple of pairs rising and falling. This is the common theme right now. You see excitement for the rookie, and at times you can see too extreme of a drop for the incumbent.

Joe Mixon and Jeremy Hill. Mixing is now all the way up, 23 picks from June 11th. From the fifth pick in the fifth round now to the sixth pick of the third round, which is RB 15. That's ridiculous. And Jeremy Hill is now the RB 47 off the board. I still think Hill's involved in that offense. And then Somaget Pirine rising, Rob Kelly falling, but let's start in Cincinnati.

Yeah, so Joe Mixen, you know, if you go back and listen a couple months ago, this is our fault, guys? No, we're not. Is this your fault, Jason? Yes, I would love to take credit, but we're not alone in our love for Mixon. I know a couple months ago we were saying Mixen was one of the best values in the draft. And if you were drafting, then he was because he was at that point, he was like seventh eighth round. And you knew that was wrong. But to be the 15th running back drafted off the board,

I need to be sure as a rookie coming in. I know the talent. He's got it in spades, but I need to be sure of the role and the opportunity. But you're not here because, you know, the reports are that they believe Jeremy Hill will still be involved. And why would he not be on the goal line? He's one of the best goal line backs in the National Football League. He has been since he's been in the league. And then, sure, Gio Bernard, he's currently still rehabbing an ACL, and that's helped bump mixing up a little bit.

But the reports are that he's, you know, on track as well. You know, something came out and said he could start the year on the pop. But if you actually look at what he's doing, you know, the work he's doing, he was in the OTAs on the field, not, you know, a full participant by any means, but he was on the rehab field. And, you know, there's a lot of mouths to feed there. I love Joe Mixon. There's no way I'm taking him.

as the 15th running back off the board because you're basically drafting him up near where his ceiling is. No, he hasn't had to, to me, when I look at the best ball leagues, I haven't seen him drafted that high. So I'm taking him in a lot of best ball leagues in the fifth, six round, and I'm loving it because I don't have to worry about the acclamation period. Maybe Joe Mixon isn't all we hope he is until week six or seven. I mean, that's possible. It's not going to hurt me in best ball as much. And you have Jeff Hobson.

who works for the Bengals.com, their official website, he's said he still expects Jeremy Hill to be part of the team. He's expecting him to factor near the goal line. And if you take the goal line away from Joe Mixing. I love this offense in this team this year. I really do. I love Cincinnati. If you take, if Jeremy Hill keeps that goal line job and Joe Mixen has to share time with him and Gio, it's RB 15.

is a little bit too rich for me. It's the thing of what could Joe Mixen become if they actually gave him the three-down roll very soon on. That's a steal then at running back 15, but I don't believe that's going to happen. All right, let me ask you this question. Who wins that division? I think I might have asked it on the show already a couple months ago, but who do you think wins that division? I'm going to take Cincinnati. Are you? Really? I am.

It's tough to say not, I mean, not to go with Pittsburgh as the cream of the crop in that division. I'm going to go with Pittsburgh. Yeah, I think I have to lean that way as well. I love that division. Every year there are battles between Baltimore, Pittsburgh. I wish those teams. Oh, wait, Cleveland's in that division too. Hey, hey, Deshaun Kaiser will have something to say this year. Someday. I wish that they didn't have to play six division games. They're fun to watch of Ravens versus Steelers.

It seems like they're never great for fantasy production, though. Meanwhile, when they play other teams, you see Big Ben go ham. We need a new rule, a fantasy rule, that the AFC North doesn't have to play six division games. All right. I have another potential value in mind, but I want to see whether you believe it. Mike, it seems that you don't presently believe it. Corey Coleman is falling. 16 picks. He's fallen since June 11th. Jason the reason.

Injury. Yeah. I mean, it's very simple. You had Cory Coleman miss basically for all intents purposes in his entire rookie year. And now you come into the second year. And as soon as I start getting excited about him, he pulls up, you know, with a hammy and now he's missing camp again. And we don't mean a sandwich. That is not a good sign. There's no moons over his hammy. Right. It's just, it's not a good sign. However, that being said.

I don't think what's happening right now with his injury changes his upside. His upside is identical to what it was before. If he's there on week one, he has, to me, the upside to be a top 15 wide receiver. I mean, Terrell Pryor did that last year, and yes, Terrell Pryor is bigger, but he's no Cory Coleman when it comes to skill set, route running. The ability, I mean, I made the joke last episode that Cory Coleman was.

tied on a per game basis with Antonio Brown. But that one game in week two where he showed what he can do, I mean, his upside is tremendous. And now that he's in the 10th round, there's very little risk. I'll throw away a 10th round pick shooting darts at trying to get, you know, one of those top 15 guys. And that's Cory Coleman. So I actually like this. I like where he's at right now. I wish he wasn't injured. But if he wasn't injured right now, then he would probably be rising. I think Cory Coleman in the 10th round.

You're taking your dart, and you're just spiking it right into the ground. What? The guy to get on the Cleveland Browns is Kenny Britt. You talked about the big guy, Terrell Prior, who got it done. Kenny Britt's the big guy. If I'm drafting any wide receiver from the Cleveland Browns, it's going to be Kenny Britt. A thousand yards. He did what Terrell Prior did last year. He was on a really bad team. So he's already proven he can do that. He got a thousand yards. I mean, that's what I want. And Kenny Britt's going, ah.

After Cory Coleman. If there's one lesson we learned from this discussion, it's that Isaiah Crowell's getting the ball. Hand it off. Hand it off and help those young quarterbacks. All right, I want to talk about Tyrell Williams. He's moved up 26 picks. It's a little easier to do when you started at the back of the 13th round. I have to believe the 26 picks has a lot to do with rookie Mike Williams and the injury. But Tyro Williams, I think, had been just generally too ignored.

Too much of a placeholder mindset in fantasy owners' minds with Tyro Williams in the production last year. Yet when you look at the production, you see a player who had one of the highest levels of consistency over the course of the year. Jason, you've been touting Tyrell Williams. You have them the highest of us three. What's his actual upsay?

Well, I think we saw a bit, you know, shades of his upside last year when he was almost a wide receiver won. Now, I will grant you that Keenan Allen is back. Much different team. Yes, it's a much different team. If Tyrell Williams goes away a la Kamar Aiken when, you know, Steve Smith returned to town.

for the Ravens, then I won't be shocked. But you do have an athletic freak in Tyrell Williams who clearly got it done with Philip Rivers. Everything that I, you know, when we're looking, you talk about the spreadsheets and all the work we're doing, just always pouring over data and making new metrics and just diving deeper. He's probably one of the most.

common guys that sticks out to me of surprising. I'm looking at this stat or that's that. And I go, one of these guys shouldn't be in that list. And it's always Tyrell Williams. So sure, he could fade, but his upside to me would, would again be a, you know, a wide receiver two, no problem. Okay. I feel like Tyrell Williams is he will go essentially full Kamar Akken. A draft of Tyrol Williams is kind of that, that, uh,

coin flip of you think that Keenan Allen may not be ready to start the year or you think that Keenan Allen will get hurt again because he's done that the last couple years and Tyrell I think would be once again the biggest benefactor if something happened to Alan I don't think like when I look at what Tyrell Williams can do I think he can do a wide I think he can be a wide receiver two with Keenan Allen playing 16 games because I Travis Benjamin